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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on May 10, 2021, 03:52:47 PM
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In the hours after the Kennedy assassination, a Secret Service officer named Mike Howard was dispatched to Oswald’s apartment. Howard found a little green address book, and on its 17th page under the heading “I WILL KILL” Oswald listed four men: an FBI agent named James Hosty; a right-wing general, Edwin Walker; and Vice President Richard Nixon. At the top of the list was the governor of Texas, John Connally. Through Connally’s name, Oswald had drawn a dagger, with blood drops dripping downward. Special Agent Howard turned the address book over to the FBI and, ultimately, to the Warren Commission. Only some time later did he learn that the list with its hugely important insight into the killer’s motive had been torn out of the book.
This claim is covered in this online article: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-reston-jfk-assassination-target-20161122-story.html
The question is: How true is this story? Page 17 of Oswalds address book is indeed missing. But having said that I find it difficult to believe that Oswald hated Hosty and Connally so much as to want to kill them. He had political motives for the other two (Nixon and Walker) but to want to kill Hosty and Connally paints Oswald as a psychopath which there is no evidence that he was. Is this just another manufactured myth in the Kennedy case?
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In the hours after the Kennedy assassination, a Secret Service officer named Mike Howard was dispatched to Oswald’s apartment. Howard found a little green address book, and on its 17th page under the heading “I WILL KILL” Oswald listed four men: an FBI agent named James Hosty; a right-wing general, Edwin Walker; and Vice President Richard Nixon. At the top of the list was the governor of Texas, John Connally. Through Connally’s name, Oswald had drawn a dagger, with blood drops dripping downward. Special Agent Howard turned the address book over to the FBI and, ultimately, to the Warren Commission. Only some time later did he learn that the list with its hugely important insight into the killer’s motive had been torn out of the book.
This claim is covered in this online article: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-reston-jfk-assassination-target-20161122-story.html
The question is: How true is this story? Page 17 of Oswalds address book is indeed missing. But having said that I find it difficult to believe that Oswald hated Hosty and Connally so much as to want to kill them. He had political motives for the other two (Nixon and Walker) but to want to kill Hosty and Connally paints Oswald as a psychopath which there is no evidence that he was. Is this just another manufactured myth in the Kennedy case?
Don't you think that, if genuine, this highly incriminating document wouldn't have found it's way into the WC evidence?
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In the hours after the Kennedy assassination, a Secret Service officer named Mike Howard was dispatched to Oswald’s apartment. Howard found a little green address book, and on its 17th page under the heading “I WILL KILL” Oswald listed four men: an FBI agent named James Hosty; a right-wing general, Edwin Walker; and Vice President Richard Nixon. At the top of the list was the governor of Texas, John Connally. Through Connally’s name, Oswald had drawn a dagger, with blood drops dripping downward. Special Agent Howard turned the address book over to the FBI and, ultimately, to the Warren Commission. Only some time later did he learn that the list with its hugely important insight into the killer’s motive had been torn out of the book.
This claim is covered in this online article: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-reston-jfk-assassination-target-20161122-story.html
The question is: How true is this story? Page 17 of Oswalds address book is indeed missing. But having said that I find it difficult to believe that Oswald hated Hosty and Connally so much as to want to kill them. He had political motives for the other two (Nixon and Walker) but to want to kill Hosty and Connally paints Oswald as a psychopath which there is no evidence that he was. Is this just another manufactured myth in the Kennedy case?
The theory is compelling only because Oswald had more of a motive for targeting Connally than JFK. There's no evidence that Oswald disliked JFK but there are witnesses who said he didn't like Governor Connally.
But I find it unbelievable that such incriminating evidence against Oswald would've been omitted by the Warren Report and HSCA...
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But I find it unbelievable that such incriminating evidence against Oswald would've been omitted by the Warren Report and HSCA...
If you read the article that i linked to in the opening post, it says that the FBI most likely destroyed this page as Hoover would not want to admit that one of his agents had annoyed Oswald so much that he had turned Oswald into a raging manic by Nov 22nd when Oswald then decided to let this rage out on someone who wasn't even on the list - JFK.
If this page did exist, it would make Hoover look bad.
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If you read the article that i linked to in the opening post, it says that the FBI most likely destroyed this page as Hoover would not want to admit that one of his agents had annoyed Oswald so much that he had turned Oswald into a raging manic by Nov 22nd when Oswald then decided to let this rage out on someone who wasn't even on the list - JFK.
If this page did exist, it would make Hoover look bad.
I've read your linked article previously. I don't buy that explanation.
If nothing else, the evidence would've helped solidify the narrative that Oswald was too unhinged to be part of a conspiracy.
Also, Marina's discredited story about Oswald attempting to kill Richard Nixon would've seemed more credible with that evidence.
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I've read your linked article previously. I don't buy that explanation.
If nothing else, the evidence would've helped solidify the narrative that Oswald was too unhinged to be part of a conspiracy.
Also, Marina's discredited story about Oswald attempting to kill Richard Nixon would've seemed more credible with that evidence.
Its hard to discount Secret Service agent Mike Howard. It doesn't seem to make sense that he would lie about that.
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Its hard to discount Secret Service agent Mike Howard. It doesn't seem to make sense that he would lie about that.
What makes a Secret Service agent special?
FBI agent Barrett said that Captain Westbrook was holding a wallet at the Tippit scene and asked him if he knew either a guy named Hidell or Oswald. LNs instantly called him a liar!
What would be the difference between the two men? Both are law enforcement agents, right?
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Its hard to discount Secret Service agent Mike Howard. It doesn't seem to make sense that he would lie about that.
He wouldn't be the only law enforcement officer who gave unverified or uncorroborated information about the JFK assassination investigation.
I can't think of any legit reason to omit that sort of information if what he said is 100% true.
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In the hours after the Kennedy assassination, a Secret Service officer named Mike Howard was dispatched to Oswald’s apartment. Howard found a little green address book, and on its 17th page under the heading “I WILL KILL” Oswald listed four men: an FBI agent named James Hosty; a right-wing general, Edwin Walker; and Vice President Richard Nixon. At the top of the list was the governor of Texas, John Connally. Through Connally’s name, Oswald had drawn a dagger, with blood drops dripping downward. Special Agent Howard turned the address book over to the FBI and, ultimately, to the Warren Commission. Only some time later did he learn that the list with its hugely important insight into the killer’s motive had been torn out of the book.
This claim is covered in this online article: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-reston-jfk-assassination-target-20161122-story.html
The question is: How true is this story? Page 17 of Oswalds address book is indeed missing. But having said that I find it difficult to believe that Oswald hated Hosty and Connally so much as to want to kill them. He had political motives for the other two (Nixon and Walker) but to want to kill Hosty and Connally paints Oswald as a psychopath which there is no evidence that he was. Is this just another manufactured myth in the Kennedy case?
The LA Times “OP-Ed that you cite was written by James Reston Jr.. Here is a link to another article written by him:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/11/lee-harvey-oswalds-final-steps-where-jfks-killer-walked-after-the-shooting.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/11/lee-harvey-oswalds-final-steps-where-jfks-killer-walked-after-the-shooting.html)
If you will, read this article and note all of the incorrect aspects of some of the basic information in his account. You will likely conclude (as I did) that James Reston Jr. actually knows very little about this case.
If you want to give this line of thought any credence whatsoever, you need to cite what Mike Howard says about it.
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I don't buy it. And why would Oswald need to write down those four names? It's not like he couldn't remember who he wanted to kill. Oswald was a sneaky and paranoid guy who knew the FBI was watching him. Doesn't seem to fit his MO to keep such a list. Of course that is merely my "speculation." I'm sure CTer contrarians will want to entertain every possibility since this can't be disproven to their subjective satisfaction. They would not apply that standard just for matters that exonerate Oswald but also for claims like this one. Maybe some rube juror would believe it as in the OJ trial and convict Oswald on that basis. Thereby somehow making it relevant.
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I don't buy it. And why would Oswald need to write down those four names? It's not like he couldn't remember who he wanted to kill. Oswald was a sneaky and paranoid guy who knew the FBI was watching him. Doesn't seem to fit his MO to keep such a list. Of course that is merely my "speculation." I'm sure CTer contrarians will want to entertain every possibility since this can't be disproven to their subjective satisfaction. They would not apply that standard just for matters that exonerate Oswald but also for claims like this one. Maybe some rube juror would believe it as in the OJ trial and convict Oswald on that basis. Thereby somehow making it relevant.
The drops of blood seem a bit OTT. But if that was not what was on page 17, then what was? Did Oswald tear that page out or was it someone in authority?
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I don't buy it. And why would Oswald need to write down those four names?
I can agree with those lines of that post.
Why write the word "spaseeba [спасибо]" on what is deemed page 19? It means thank you... one of the first words you would naturally learn in any foreign language so why would Oswald make a note of such a common word? Here is the copy of various pages of the address book from Commission Exibt 18----
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_18.pdf
You will see this torn leaf at the top of Commission page 43. All this would necessarily mean that page 18 is also missing. I wonder what was all written there?
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If true, this would be some evidence that LHO was not shooting at JFK, but instead was shooting at JBC. The RC did not want JFK's death to be accidental, even though under Texas law LHO could still be charged with murdering JFK.
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The RC did not want JFK's death to be accidental, even though under Texas law LHO could still be charged with murdering JFK.
Who is the "RC"?
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Who is the "RC"?
Best guess... Royal Commission
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My bad, should have been WC.