Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
This established a reasonable confidence that the Stemmons
sign was removed between May 24 and June 24,
1964. There was the possibility that press reports or police
reports could identify an event which could be associated
with the sign removal. A review of both the Dallas Morning
News and the Dallas Times Herald for all dates between
May 24 and October 3, 1964, did not uncover any reports
of events at Dealey Plaza which could be associated with
the sign removal. A search of police records for this period
also turned up nothing. The Stemmons sign had vanished
without a trace in any historical record, and the only evidence
consisted of photographs which relied on analysis
for dating.
The first anniversary photos and news film provide a definitive
and conclusive date for the removal of the Stemmons
Freeway sign if there are any doubts about the evidence
for removal by June 24, 1964. The first anniversary photos
also deepened the mystery for the Thornton sign. Photos
show the Thornton sign was modified with the addition of
a new section of sign above the original sign. The available
photos on the anniversary date show only the backside of
the sign and the color of the backside is very light, close to
white. In photos from the period immediately after the assassination,
the backside is much darker. The color change
strongly indicates that the original sign was entirely replaced.
A high-resolution scan of negative #1 appears to show the
newly added section of sign, indicating that the Thornton
sign was modified on or around the same time as the Stemmons
sign removal.
So this presented new questions: What was added to
the top of the Thornton Freeway sign? If the entire sign was
replaced, what did it say? Without photographic evidence of
the front of the Thornton sign, it is impossible to make any
definitive statements. But it seems likely that the modification
of the Thornton sign allowed it to perform the role of
the removed Stemmons Freeway sign, perhaps with the text
?Stemmons Freeway? on the newly added section.
The next questions remaining to be answered are the removal
date of the Thornton Freeway sign and the installation
The Mystery Deepens
The first anniversary photos and news film provide a definitive
and conclusive date for the removal of the Stemmons
Freeway sign if there are any doubts about the evidence
for removal by June 24, 1964. The first anniversary photos
also deepened the mystery for the Thornton sign. Photos
show the Thornton sign was modified with the addition of
a new section of sign above the original sign. The available
photos on the anniversary date show only the backside of
the sign and the color of the backside is very light, close to
white. In photos from the period immediately after the assassination,
the backside is much darker. The color change
strongly indicates that the original sign was entirely replaced.
A high-resolution scan of negative #1 appears to show the
newly added section of sign, indicating that the Thornton
sign was modified on or around the same time as the Stemmons
sign removal.
So this presented new questions: What was added to
the top of the Thornton Freeway sign? If the entire sign was
replaced, what did it say? Without photographic evidence of
the front of the Thornton sign, it is impossible to make any
definitive statements. But it seems likely that the modification
of the Thornton sign allowed it to perform the role of
the removed Stemmons Freeway sign, perhaps with the text
?Stemmons Freeway? on the newly added section.
The next questions remaining to be answered are the removal
date of the Thornton Freeway sign and the installation
date of the replacement overhead sign near Houston Street
(see photos pages 164 and 176). Photographic evidence
became even more scarce after the first anniversary. A Squire
Haskins photo with a very distant aerial view of Dealey
Plaza in an envelope labeled A7350 dated April 27, 1965,
shows the Thornton sign in position and the overhead sign
not yet installed. There are no suitable shadows to allow
sun angle analysis.
Negative A7578, taken on November 23, 1965, and
inscribed with its number, clearly shows the overhead sign
in position. In addition, the angles of shadows in the photo
compute to within a few days of November 23. With this
evidence, it can be stated with reasonable confidence that
the Thornton sign was removed and the overhead sign was
installed in the period between April 27 and November
23, 1965
Umbrella man's weapon jammed and when he was pumping it up and down trying to clear it he inadvertently fired a poison dart through the sign. From that moment on Oswald was the logical choice as a patsy.
Umbrella man's weapon jammed and when he was pumping it up and down trying to clear it he inadvertently fired a poison dart through the sign. From that moment on Oswald was the logical choice as a patsy.
Makes sense
Bill Brown
Seems Laurel and Hardy are still with us.
Have you figured out why the Secret Service agents at Parkland would use the Presidential flag to wipe blood and gore from the limo's exterior, yet?
No, but I worked out that Hosty wasn't mistakenly using a inverted caret in his report, Stanley.
I knew that was coming.
I admitted that what I believed to be a caret definitely looks like an ampersand. Have you acknowledged that you mistakenly called the Presidential flag a rag?
Umbrella man's weapon jammed and when he was pumping it up and down trying to clear it he inadvertently fired a poison dart through the sign. From that moment on Oswald was the logical choice as a patsy.
No. I didn't try to ague myself out of it, when I realised it wasn't a rag, unlike yourself.
Have you figured out why there were SS agents in DP and at the Jefferson Branch Library when none were assigned there? I am still waiting.
Now you're just making things up.
Once better copies of the Hosty note were posted, there was no point when I "tried to argue myself out of it". Why would you lie about this?
But, you did prove my point. You thought the Presidential flag was a rag used, with the bucket, to clean up blood and gore. It was pure silliness which you've yet to acknowledge you were wrong about, unless you've just done that. Did you?
You even said that Hosty had "mistakenly" used the caret.
If it pleases you, I admit I was wrong mistaking the limo flag for a rag, Happy now. Bill?
There now. Was that so difficult?
The sign was on a busy city road and with the increased attention of the assassination was probably busier than usual but you reckon someone came along and swapped the signs, hilarious!hnMEMMET J. HUDSON - WC TESTIMONY (7/22/63)
FACT CHECK
SA Lem Johns was "left behind in Dealey Plaza".
Johns caught a ride to Parkland with another vehicle that was in the motorcade and therefore, was not left behind in Dealey Plaza.
BILL
You well know SA Lem Johns was Initially seated inside the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car. You also Know that he jumped out of the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car and then that car sped away. This left SA Lem Johns "behind in Dealey Plaza". We frequently have Newbes coming to this Forum for Information regarding the JFK Assassination. Please do Not mislead them in your attempt to avoid admitting you made a mistake.
Were there holes in the Stemmons Freeway Sign ? Jim Marrs says that the Freeway sign was taken
down because of the bullet holes in the sign . I had asked the 6th floor curator Gary Mack about the sign several years ago, if he had knowledge of the sign being taken down due to bullet holes . His e-mail reply was that he knew of no holes in the sign. Anyone have any knowledge of bullet holes in the sign on 11-22-63 .
"Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---
and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur
in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion.
How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning?"
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Costella may understand the principal, but he doesn't know how to detect pincushioning.
Please note that the neutral position of the Stemmons sign in the Zapruder film was leaning to camera-right. Any "vertical-straightening" of the posts in the corner signals pincushion.
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Unchanged as of May 24, 1964 when the FBI re-enacted the car's position as seen in the Zapruder film. Pictures taken that day from Zapruder's position appear in WC Exhibits and show the Stemmons sign as it was on the day of the assassination. My best conclusion is that the Stemmons freeway sign was removed at some time after May 24th and when Hudson testified on July 22, 1964.
No doubt thousands of regular Dallas commuters also noticed the sign change.
Daffy Sylvia Meagher claimed Hudson's testimony, given in mid-1964, revealed the Stemmons sign had been "removed completely by early in 1965". She writes: "we do not know if the sign was moved before or after the FBI re-eanactment tests of May 24, 1964, or, for that matter, before or after the Secret Service re-enactments of December 5, 1963". She had almost three years to resolve all or part of that, and nine additional years between her book publication and reissue to correct it.(https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/d/da/Photo_sp1_wc_fullcommission.jpg)
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The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs? The Moving of the signs being done After the FBI examined the Knoll with a fine tooth comb also looms large!
The question remains, Why Take Down/Move the signs
Oh, boy: Another twofer
1) Warehouse them for posterity
2) Thwart souvenir hunters
Just sayin'
Per the WC Testimony of grounds keeper Emmit Hudson, the Signs were taken down and MOVED to a Different Location ON THE KNOLL! Those signs were still Physically On the Knoll when Hudson gave his WC Testimony.
I disagree. He's under oath. He is shown a pic in which he does Not see the sign. He says so. That is Truthful testimony. The man is a grounds keeper operating out of a shed behind the Pergola Shelter. You're Not going to hear him expounding on The Theory Of Relativity.
The Great Zapruder Film Hoax by Jim Fetzer Of all the presenters who traveled to Duluth for the Symposium , the one who traveled farthest was Dr. John Costella, a theoretical physicist from Australia. Dr. Costella is something of a newcomer to the area of JFK research but he has made astounding contributions already. One of the more fascinating discoveries Costella has made involves the Stemmons Freeway sign in Dealey Plaza. As it turns out , the lens system on Zapruder's camera was patented by Bell & Howell; its characteristics are well documented. As many are aware , Zapruder's Bell & Howell Director's Series 414PD camera was set on telephoto while he filmed the presidential motorcade. This lens has a characteristic "pincushioning" effect which tends to pull the image frames outward . This pincushioning effect is clearly present in the extant Zapruder film , as it should be . Except there is no pincushioning detected for the Stemmons Freeway sign along Elm Street---and there should be. Costella shows that it is physically impossible for pincushioning to occur in portions of movie frames selectively while other portions are free from the distortion . How could the Stemmons sign have escaped the pincushioning ? The short and undeniable answer is that the Stemmons Freeway sign , as it appears , was inserted into the film after it was processed . The sign should have had the same pincushion distortion as the rest of the frame as well as all the frames before and after the ones in which the sign appears. Recall that the extant film shows JFK smiling and waving to the crowd prior to disappearing behind the sign . When he re-emerges he has his hands up to his throat as he reacts to being shot . Irrefutably , the Stemmons sign obscures the throat shot---a frontal throat shot. Some researchers have theorized that the sign was also struck by a shot from the grassy knoll. ( Thne sign was not made of metal but was plywood.) Are these the reasons an artificial sign was inserted into the extant film? If so, Costella reasons , the extant film was not merely " altered " ---it was " fabricated ". Fabricated , as in " falsified "---with criminal intent , since obstructing justice was , and still is , a crime. assassinationresearch.com/v3n2/v3n2dellarosa.pdf