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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: David Halley on April 05, 2020, 04:34:11 AM
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Over the years I have been intrigued reading posts from members. So interesting reading other thoughts on the assassination. Approximately 15 years ago I watched a video of a Police Press Conference with a representative describing Oswald 's prior movements to November 22. He mention belonging to a movement in New Orleans but miss described the organization. Someone in the crowd spoke aloud and said, "Fair Play for Cuba." From reading several books on the assignation, the person who corrected this officer was Jack Ruby. It has always stuck in the back of my mind that someone else besides the police knew at this point in the investigation about Oswald's past. I might be completely off base because of my age and somewhat memory problems. So, could someone direct me to the video of this press conference. I would like to watch again. Maybe I can listen to the voice and compare to other videos of Ruby speaking.
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HENRY WADE'S LATE-NIGHT PRESS CONFERENCE (NOVEMBER 22, 1963)
Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade answers questions from newsmen in this press conference that took
place at Dallas City Hall late on the night of President Kennedy's assassination.
This conference includes Jack Ruby correcting Henry Wade's mistake concerning the name of the pro-Castro
organization that accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald belonged to (the Fair Play For Cuba Committee).
KLIF INTERVIEWS WITH HENRY WADE (ARRANGED BY JACK RUBY, WITH RUBY'S NAME MENTIONED ON THE AIR @ 5:45)
Ruby following D.A. Henry Wade in the basement of the DPD offices
Did Dallas DA Henry Wade know Jack Ruby?
Dallas DA Henry Wade is asked point blank if he knew Jack Ruby. He denies it. But Nancy Hamilton, a former
bartender for Ruby, tells Mark Lane that Wade was a Dallas official who "frequented" Ruby's bar.
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Over the years I have been intrigued reading posts from members. So interesting reading other thoughts on the assassination. Approximately 15 years ago I watched a video of a Police Press Conference with a representative describing Oswald 's prior movements to November 22. He mention belonging to a movement in New Orleans but miss described the organization. Someone in the crowd spoke aloud and said, "Fair Play for Cuba." From reading several books on the assignation, the person who corrected this officer was Jack Ruby. It has always stuck in the back of my mind that someone else besides the police knew at this point in the investigation about Oswald's past. I might be completely off base because of my age and somewhat memory problems. So, could someone direct me to the video of this press conference. I would like to watch again. Maybe I can listen to the voice and compare to other videos of Ruby speaking.
The speed by which they had information about Oswald available for the media has always bothered me. This was 1963 when they had nothing more than a telephone to communicate long distance, yet IMO even now you couldn't find out all those details about a so-called loser as quickly as that. It was like they already had a press kit at their disposal as soon as they arrested him.
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The speed by which they had information about Oswald available for the media has always bothered me. This was 1963 when they had nothing more than a telephone to communicate long distance, yet IMO even now you couldn't find out all those details about a so-called loser as quickly as that. It was like they already had a press kit at their disposal as soon as they arrested him.
Excellent point, Martin......
My hearing is impaired so I have to strain to hear what is being said on those tapes....BUT.... Didn't a reporter alude to this very subject during the Q &A ....
I thought I heard a reporter say something like... "How have you solved this case so rapidly?
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The speed by which they had information about Oswald available for the media has always bothered me. This was 1963 when they had nothing more than a telephone to communicate long distance, yet IMO even now you couldn't find out all those details about a so-called loser as quickly as that. It was like they already had a press kit at their disposal as soon as they arrested him.
The FBI had been tracking Oswald for years. The FBI agent in Dallas knew plenty about him from the very first second his name was mentioned. He had just visited his wife. No great mystery. They didn't even need a "telephone to communicate long distance" LOL. The agent was there.
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The FBI had been tracking Oswald for years. The FBI agent in Dallas knew plenty about him from the very first second his name was mentioned. He had just visited his wife. No great mystery. They didn't even need a "telephone to communicate long distance" LOL. The agent was there.
The FBI had been tracking Oswald for years.
Probably true ... The FBI kept tabs on their informers, many of whom were criminals, or ex-cons. ( who would be better to use to keep an eye on the underworld"? )
Lee Oswald had called attention to himself when he took the mission to infiltrate the USSR and pretended to be a "turn coat marine". Hoover hated the communists or anybody proclaiming to be a fellow traveler.....thus Hoover hated Lee Oswald.
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The FBI had been tracking Oswald for years. The FBI agent in Dallas knew plenty about him from the very first second his name was mentioned. He had just visited his wife. No great mystery. They didn't even need a "telephone to communicate long distance" LOL. The agent was there.
You're talking about Hosty, right? The same guy who destroyed Oswald's note.....
And as far as tracking Oswald is concerned, did they know he was in Mexico in the weeks prior to the assassination? No, they didn't.
Did they know Oswald had bought a revolver and a rifle? No, they didn't
What they did know was that Oswald was in jail in New Orleans, because they send an agent to see him there, at his request. That's some "tracking".
The information the DPD had early on, simply couldn't have come from one FBI agent.
They didn't even need a "telephone to communicate long distance" LOL. The agent was there.
Really, genius... so their entire investigation after the fact was a waste of time?.... I mean, when "the agent was there" LOL
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"JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"
By James W. Douglas
p.177
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"On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/oct_63-08.jpg)
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You're talking about Hosty, right? The same guy who destroyed Oswald's note.....
And as far as tracking Oswald is concerned, did they know he was in Mexico in the weeks prior to the assassination? No, they didn't.
Did they know Oswald had bought a revolver and a rifle? No, they didn't
What they did know was that Oswald was in jail in New Orleans, because they send an agent to see him there, at his request. That's some "tracking".
The information the DPD had early on, simply couldn't have come from one FBI agent.
They didn't even need a "telephone to communicate long distance" LOL. The agent was there.
Really, genius... so their entire investigation after the fact was a waste of time?.... I mean, when "the agent was there" LOL
did they know he was in Mexico in the weeks prior to the assassination? No, they didn't.
Yes they did, They had sent him there, so they would have a connection between Oswald and Castro after the coup d e'tat. Afterward they tried to cover up that they had sent Lee to Mexicao City, and pretended that they didn't know.
Did they know Oswald had bought a revolver and a rifle? No, they didn't
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did they know he was in Mexico in the weeks prior to the assassination? No, they didn't.
Yes they did, They had sent him there, so they would have a connection between Oswald and Castro after the coup d e'tat. Afterward they tried to cover up that they had sent Lee to Mexicao City, and pretended that they didn't know.
Did they know Oswald had bought a revolver and a rifle? No, they didn't
Yes they did, They had sent him there, so they would have a connection between Oswald and Castro after the coup d e'tat. Afterward they tried to cover up that they had sent Lee to Mexicao City, and pretended that they didn't know.
What is the evidence for this, Walt?
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Yes they did, They had sent him there, so they would have a connection between Oswald and Castro after the coup d e'tat. Afterward they tried to cover up that they had sent Lee to Mexicao City, and pretended that they didn't know.
What is the evidence for this, Walt?
I'm sorry Martin, there is not a quick and easy answer. Except, I'd suggest that you check to see how soon after Lee's arrest the subject of .Mexico City popped up?
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You're talking about Hosty, right? The same guy who destroyed Oswald's note.....
And as far as tracking Oswald is concerned, did they know he was in Mexico in the weeks prior to the assassination? No, they didn't.
Did they know Oswald had bought a revolver and a rifle? No, they didn't
What they did know was that Oswald was in jail in New Orleans, because they send an agent to see him there, at his request. That's some "tracking".
The information the DPD had early on, simply couldn't have come from one FBI agent.
They didn't even need a "telephone to communicate long distance" LOL. The agent was there.
Really, genius... so their entire investigation after the fact was a waste of time?.... I mean, when "the agent was there" LOL
I can't follow what you are babbling about here. The original question was about the Fair Play for Cuba comment at the press conference. You questioned how they knew so much about Oswald so quickly. Implying the grand conspiracy that you are too cowardly to admit. And the answer is that the FBI had been tracking him for years. In fact, they had just visited his wife. They knew a lot about him. When Hosty heard his name, he knew much of his backstory including the Fair Play for Cuba connection and his arrest. The FBI had files on him. No great mystery. Hosty also ASKED Oswald about Mexico City. So I'm not sure what you are babbling about there. Try to have at least some basic knowledge of the facts. Ask Roger for help. Even Caprio wasn't this stupid.
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I can't follow what you are babbling about here. The original question was about the Fair Play for Cuba comment at the press conference. You questioned how they knew so much about Oswald so quickly. Implying the grand conspiracy that you are too cowardly to admit. And the answer is that the FBI had been tracking him for years. In fact, they had just visited his wife. They knew a lot about him. When Hosty heard his name, he knew much of his backstory including the Fair Play for Cuba connection and his arrest. The FBI had files on him. No great mystery. Hosty also ASKED Oswald about Mexico City. So I'm not sure what you are babbling about there. Try to have at least some basic knowledge of the facts. Ask Roger for help. Even Caprio wasn't this stupid.
I can't follow what you are babbling about here.
Nothing new here... happens all the time. To follow what I am saying you need a working brain.
The original question was about the Fair Play for Cuba comment at the press conference.
To which I did not reply, but just posted a general comment.
You questioned how they knew so much about Oswald so quickly. Implying the grand conspiracy that you are too cowardly to admit.
The comment didn't imply anything. That's just your usual strawman crap combined with paranoia.
When Hosty heard his name, he knew much of his backstory including the Fair Play for Cuba connection and his arrest.
I am very much aware that I will never get to see any evidence for what Hosty knew on day one, but I'll ask for it anyway, if only to show you up as the babbling fool that you are.
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I can't follow what you are babbling about here.
Nothing new here... happens all the time. To follow what I am saying you need a working brain.
Poor Roger. Made a claim. Now can't support it. The FBI knew about Oswald's Fair Play for Cuba connection/arrest and his visit to Mexico City. There is no mystery how the DPD might have learned this on 11.22 since Hosty was there in person to tell them. And the record confirms he asked Oswald about Mexico City. So there is no uncertainty here about how those facts were known to the DPD.
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Poor Roger. Made a claim. Now can't support it. The FBI knew about Oswald's Fair Play for Cuba connection/arrest and his visit to Mexico City. There is no mystery how the DPD might have learned this on 11.22 since Hosty was there in person to tell them. And the record confirms he asked Oswald about Mexico City. So there is no uncertainty here about how those facts were known to the DPD.
Is you delusion playing up again?
The FBI knew about Oswald's Fair Play for Cuba connection/arrest and his visit to Mexico City. There is no mystery how the DPD might have learned this on 11.22 since Hosty was there in person to tell them.
Again no surprise... No evidence from Smith, just a pathetic "Hosty was there in person to tell them".....
Well genius, somebody did indeed tell them, since they knew a hell of a lot about a so-called loser within hours. But I don't believe Hosty told them anything on day 1 and you - as expected - can't show a shred of evidence that he did. In other words, you're just guessing.... Again, nothing unusual there! Just another bad faith argument from Richard "Strawman" Smith.
Besides, not only did I not say anything about Fair play for Cuba or the Mexican trip, in my initial post, but they knew far more than that. And nobody needs to prove that since it is part of the record.
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The “Richard” shuffle:
- invent a strawman
- attribute it to somebody else by claiming he’s too cowardly to admit it
- try to rebut it with “woulda, coulda, shoulda”
- declare victory
- lather, rinse, repeat
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DETECTIVE DICK SMITH: "Poor Roger. Made a claim. Now can't support it. ..."
So let me get this straight:
LHO is a supposed loner...but the FBI knew about him.
A reporter asks Wade where LHO is from. He replies and Ruby, the guy who murders him a few days later, corrects him.
The correction was made not by a government official, but an "innocent bystander" like Ruby.
Who supposedly knows no one in the DPD.
And whom Wade supposedly doesn't know.
Hahaha. Sure, Dick, sure. That happens all of the time during press conferences and murder investigations. Hahaha!
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"JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"
By James W. Douglas
p.177
-snip-
"On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/oct_63-08.jpg)
Can you explain the memo?
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/oct_63-08.jpg)
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Over the years I have been intrigued reading posts from members. So interesting reading other thoughts on the assassination. Approximately 15 years ago I watched a video of a Police Press Conference with a representative describing Oswald 's prior movements to November 22. He mention belonging to a movement in New Orleans but miss described the organization. Someone in the crowd spoke aloud and said, "Fair Play for Cuba." From reading several books on the assignation, the person who corrected this officer was Jack Ruby. It has always stuck in the back of my mind that someone else besides the police knew at this point in the investigation about Oswald's past. I might be completely off base because of my age and somewhat memory problems. So, could someone direct me to the video of this press conference. I would like to watch again. Maybe I can listen to the voice and compare to other videos of Ruby speaking.
This is somewhat bothersome. How did Ruby even remember a name like "Fair Play For Cuba". Its a name thats easy to mix up yet Ruby remembers it right off the tip of his tongue. He obviously had heard and knew about this organization before Nov 22nd 1963.