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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Jerry Freeman on July 05, 2022, 08:07:29 AM
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The Hunt letter revisited
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Of course it is probably a copy of a 21st generation copy.
...a note supposedly written by Oswald and addressed to a "Mr. Hunt" that surfaced during the HSCA investigation. It supposedly ties Oswald to either CIA agent E. Howard Hunt or to Texas oilman H.L. Hunt. The HSCA gave the document to its panel of handwriting experts and their report is regarded as very skeptical. In 1999, the note was revealed to be a Soviet forgery in a book by KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin. Here is the section of the book that describes the KGB’s involvement with Kennedy assassination disinformation.... https://www.jfk-online.com/mitrokhin.html
Why would the KGB forge a kakamimi note like this...not even specifying what "Mr Hunt" was the recipient?
The implication, clearly, was that Oswald wanted to meet Hunt before going ahead with the assassination.
That implication was oh so clear to master Warren apologist John C McAdams but remains rather murky to me.
I mean which side of the political spectrum was Oswald suppose to be on anyway?
He goes [supposedly] after Gen Walker [a righty]...after JFK [supposedly] [a lefty]
The FBI seemed to have no problem ascribing who "Mr Hunt" is-------
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The apparent origin of the letter was traced to John W. Curington who was a confident and attorney of record to H L Hunt.
Authenticity of Letter By EARL GOLZ
The FBI cannot determine whether
Lee Harvey Oswald .wrote a letter to a
“Mr. Hunt” two weeks before the assas-
sination of President John F. Kennedy,
a U.S. Justice Department source said
Tuesday.
Three handwriting experts commis-
sioned by The News concluded last
week the letter is “the authentic writ-
ing of Lee Harvey Oswald and was writ-
ten by him.”
The FBI said without the original let-
ter it would be "almost impossible to
certify whether it is genuihe or not,"
the Justice Department source said.
***"And they' (FBI) said^that Oswald
has a childlike handwriting and it's
easily forged,” the source said, "so they
just can't tell.”
The FBI declined to directly com-
ment on the letter's authenticity. In
(964, the FBI repeatedly identified
handwriting on documents as Oswald's
during the Warren Commission inves-
tigation. The agency also determined
in several cases that year that signa-
tures of cranks on guest books around
the country were not Oswald's.
When told of the FBI’s reaction to
the "Mr. Hunt" letter, one of the three
band writing analysts. Mary C. Harri-
son of Richardson, said she didn’t
"know what they mean” by labeling
the script "childlike." ,
"If they (FBI) know anything at all
about handwriting, they can tell that
(he same party wrote that letter,” Mrs.
Harrison said. “There is just no doubt
in my mind. And 1 can prove it by
breaking it down stroke by stroke."
She said handwriting experts "go to
court often on Xerox copies ... I
would go to court on it (Oswald letter)
any day."
Mrs. Harrison and the other two
handwriting analysts who examined
the letter, Mary I. Duncan of Toronto,
Canada, and Allan R. Keown of El Paso,
are among about 100 certified members
of one of the most respected handwrit-
ing organizations in the western hemi-
sphere, the Independent Association of
Questioned Document Examiners.
The terse note, dated Nov. 8, 1963,^
was addressed to "Dear Mr. Hunt" and
signed by "Lee Harvey Oswald." It
asked for "information concerning my
position ... I am suggesting that we
discuss the matter fully before any
steps are taken by me or anyone else.”
Oswald's wife testified before the
Warren Commission, which apparently
didn’t know of the existence of the let-
ter, that Oswald on Nov. 8, 1963, failed
to pay a visit to her, as scheduled, at
the Irving home where she was thep
living.
Oswald told his wife he failed to
show up because "there was another
job open, more interesting work . . .
related to photography," according to
Mrs. Marina Oswald’s testimony before
the Warren Commission in 1964. At the
time he was working at the Texas State
Book Depository Building, from where
the Warren Commission concluded he
triggered the rifle that killed Kennedy.
Neither the FBI, the HSCA, Penn Jones or Earl Golz attributes the origin of the note to anyone.
If it was Curington...he should have been charged concerning---withholding information from the Federal Government.
***Notice the really funny part?----
The FBI considered Oswald's handwriting too 'childlike' and easy to forge....
...but the order forms for weapons allegedly written by him were definitely in his handwriting according to the Report ::)
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This reminds me of the time when, as kids, we tried to sell some fake Beatles members signatures to the Beatles crazed girl down the street… :D
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This reminds me of the time when, as kids, we tried to sell some fake Beatles members signatures to the Beatles crazed girl down the street… :D
Perhaps revealing your questionable scruples there?
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Perhaps revealing your questionable scruples there?
Buh, buh, buh, bad to the bone…. 8)
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Another find on the McAdams page---
Citizens for Truth in the Kennedy Assassination (CTKA) in 1994 published a document (a police report), supposedly detailing an altercation between Jack Ruby and Lee Oswald at Mrs. Bledsoe’s boarding house. (Why were they fighting? Weren’t they coconspirators?). "A CTKA Story?" is researcher David Perry’s analysis of the document, showing it to be an obvious fake. Since Perry’s article was written, the hoaxers who wrote it have come forward and admitted the forgery. Yet CTKA, Jim Marrs, and Jack White all accepted the document as authentic.
I never heard of this before. Any links to this alleged document were 404'd long ago. So who were these 'hoaxers'?
And how does this prove that Oswald was the assassin?
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Buh, buh, buh, bad to the bone…. 8)
Needs a kind of staccato treatment
>Buhbuhbuhbuhbuhbaaaaaad-to-the-bone
or use hyphens
>Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-baaaaaad-to-the-bone
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Needs a kind of staccato treatment
>Buhbuhbuhbuhbuhbaaaaaad-to-the-bone
or use hyphens
>Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-baaaaaad-to-the-bone
👍
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Needs a kind of staccato treatment
And you need mental health treatment [long overdue]
Then you trolls can go 'bone' each other.
You're letting your panties show on a public forum.
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And you need mental health treatment [long overdue]
Then you trolls can go 'bone' each other.
You're letting your panties show on a public forum.
No cross-dressing on my bucket list
Now say something clever for once
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Now say something clever...
You wouldn't know clever if it kicked you in the backside with both feet.
Clever 'nuff?
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You wouldn't know clever if it kicked you in the backside with both feet.
Clever 'nuff?
#FAIL
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BONUS
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Now lets see how clever you are by telling us how much bandwidth is created by my 241 (and counting) posters in my 'Dead Oswald Tour' thread. You know, as opposed to the 'untold gigabytes' you claim.
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLZGbmvV/freeman-BANDWIDTH.png)
Keep running your mouth at me about valuable bandwidth and in the meantime I've
never seen you donate even one nickel here.
There is less than 1mb in each billboard-style design
I'll need upwards of 1,000 poster designs to reach even one gigabyte
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Uh, not so fast.
Three highly regarded handwriting experts concluded the writing on the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was Oswald's. The HSCA's fingerprint experts couldn't reach a firm conclusion on the note, but they noted several similarities between the writing on the note and Oswald's writing. Oswald's own wife, Marina, identified the handwriting as her husband's handwriting.
Yes, a few years ago a former Soviet KGB agent claimed the note was forged by the KGB to incriminate Howard Hunt, the ultra-conservative billionaire oil tycoon who made no secret of his hatred for JFK. This brings up an interesting point: If the handwriting for the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note could have been forged, then the handwriting on the envelope, order form, and money order that were used to buy the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle most certainly could have been forged as well.
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Uh, not so fast.
Three highly regarded handwriting experts concluded the writing on the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was Oswald's. The HSCA's fingerprint experts couldn't reach a firm conclusion on the note, but they noted several similarities between the writing on the note and Oswald's writing. Oswald's own wife, Marina, identified the handwriting as her husband's handwriting.
Yes, a few years ago a former Soviet KGB agent claimed the note was forged by the KGB to incriminate Howard Hunt, the ultra-conservative billionaire oil tycoon who made no secret of his hatred for JFK. This brings up an interesting point: If the handwriting for the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note could have been forged, then the handwriting on the envelope, order form, and money order that were used to buy the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle most certainly could have been forged as well.
When you have multiple experts authenticating the handwriting on the envelope and order form, the odds that the handwriting on those items was forged are very minute. Particularly in light of the fact that the authenticity of the handwriting on the money order that was sent along with them is beyond dsipute.
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When you have multiple experts authenticating the handwriting on the envelope and order form, the odds that the handwriting on those items was forged are very minute. Particularly in light of the fact that the authenticity of the handwriting on the money order that was sent along with them is beyond dsipute.
When you have multiple experts authenticating the handwriting on the envelope and order form
Really? Name them
the authenticity of the handwriting on the money order that was sent along with them is beyond dsipute.
Is it? Really? What makes you say that?
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When you have multiple experts authenticating the handwriting on the envelope and order form
Really? Name them
You would prefer "authenticating with qualifier(s) added"? Cadigan, Cole, and McNally all said that the handwriting on those was Oswald's. None of them offered any doubt. Scott said that it was Oswald's handwriting as well. His opinion was not definitive.
the authenticity of the handwriting on the money order that was sent along with them is beyond dsipute.
Is it? Really? What makes you say that?
Yes. Really. The handwriting on the original money order was examined by numerous experts in handwriting identification. They all stated definitively that it was Oswald's. There were no qualified or conditional opinions from any of them on it.
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Yes. Really. The handwriting on the original money order was examined by numerous experts in handwriting identification. They all stated definitively that it was Oswald's. There were no qualified or conditional opinions from any of them on it.
From the Report----- https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html#ownership
Document examiners for the Treasury Department and the FBI testified unequivocally that the bold printing on the face of the mail-order coupon was in the handprinting of Lee Harvey Oswald and that the writing on the envelope was also his.....The post office box to which the rifle was shipped was rented to "Lee H. Oswald" from October 9, 1962, to May 14, 1963.14 Experts on handwriting identification from the Treasury Department......
A reminder of a previous post-----
I don't accept the word of an unnamed source.
OK...two 'document examiners' testified before the Commission.
Not exactly a vast team of analysts there.
NOTE-- Mr. McCLOY. Commission Exhibit 776 is a series of checks which have been endorsed by Oswald, some in lead pencil and some in ink. Some of those endorsements seem to be, rather the handwriting seems to be, very irregular, loose, malformed, certain other ones very clear and quite regular, and in comparison with other standards of Oswald's I find some difficulty in **conforming [sic] the signatures on certain of these endorsements to those standards. I wonder if you would look at these and tell me whether you have any comments in regard to the comments I have made about this--about these checks? The first two or three there seem to exemplify what I am talking about.
Mr. COLE. In my opinion the endorsements on these checks show a moderately wide range of writing habit, and they also show variations which may be due to an attitude about the act of writing, and I am thinking especially of the more distorted signatures, such as that appearing on No. 2408; and by attitude I mean that a person might find the act of writing very inconvenient or distasteful or might actually be experiencing some strong emotion at the particular time.
** Probably meant 'confirming'.
As usual..If something seems to support the conclusions of the Report--It is revered.
If it contradicts the conclusions---It is summarily rejected.
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When you have multiple experts authenticating the handwriting on the envelope and order form, the odds that the handwriting on those items was forged are very minute.
That’s like arguing that if three astrologers agree that a Sagittarius will soon come into a lot of money, then the odds of that being untrue is minute.
Particularly in light of the fact that the authenticity of the handwriting on the money order that was sent along with them is beyond dsipute.
How did you determine that the money order allegedly found in Virginia was “sent along with them”?
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Yes. Really. The handwriting on the original money order was examined by numerous experts in handwriting identification.
Purtell and McNally said they examined a copy.
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A reminder of a previous post-----
What is your point? I didn't use an unnamed source.
OK...two 'document examiners' testified before the Commission.
Not exactly a vast team of analysts there.
Three document examiners presented a report to the HSCA.
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Purtell and McNally said they examined a copy.
Scott said that he examined the original money order.
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How did you determine that the money order allegedly found in Virginia was “sent along with them”?
Because it was marked on the order invoice that the money order had passed through Klein's cash register on Mar 13, the same day that they received the order coupon.
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There no order invoice that says anything of the kind.
And even if there was, that doesn’t demonstrate that that specific money order accompanied that specific order coupon.
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You would prefer "authenticating with qualifier(s) added"? Cadigan, Cole, and McNally all said that the handwriting on those was Oswald's. None of them offered any doubt. Scott said that it was Oswald's handwriting as well. His opinion was not definitive.
Yes. Really. The handwriting on the original money order was examined by numerous experts in handwriting identification. They all stated definitively that it was Oswald's. There were no qualified or conditional opinions from any of them on it.
Which authenticated documents were used for the comparison and how can you even be sure those documents were in fact signed/written by Oswald?
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The second photo isn't showing up.
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(https://i.ibb.co/nwLsFwJ/Oswald-1959.webp) (https://ibb.co/fXxYsXw)
So whose handwriting is this? Did the exspurts study that? Oh they couldn't have...it wasn't discovered until 1990.
Moving on..........
(https://www.jstor.org/page-scan-delivery/get-page-scan/24242918/0)
I thought it was pretty strange that Oswald became seasick even after his deployment overseas in the Pacific.
Were there any previous reports of such propensity to motion sickness to Japan -the Philippines and back?
I would like to ask Marina how he did on the trip back from Europe.
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And let's remember that three handwriting experts consulted by the Dallas Morning News concluded the handwriting on the "Dear Mr. Hunt" note was Oswald's.
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(https://i.ibb.co/nwLsFwJ/Oswald-1959.webp) (https://ibb.co/fXxYsXw)
So whose handwriting is this? Did the exspurts study that? Oh they couldn't have...it wasn't discovered until 1990.
Moving on..........
(https://www.jstor.org/page-scan-delivery/get-page-scan/24242918/0)
I thought it was pretty strange that Oswald became seasick even after his deployment overseas in the Pacific.
Were there any previous reports of such propensity to motion sickness to Japan -the Philippines and back?
I would like to ask Marina how he did on the trip back from Europe.
Jerry, the Marrion Lykes was a small ship and may have pitched and rolled more that a larger ship....I don't think you should dwell on the fact that Lee got seasick.....He may have been a bit sick before he boarded the ML. and the ship's motion added to his queasiness.