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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Joe Elliott on December 01, 2020, 06:39:36 PM
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Not Your Steppin' Stone
Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, 1966
Dr. Anthony Fauci, 2020
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-fauci-asks-americans-to-prepare-to-get-vaccinated-as-states-plan-for-distribution/ar-BB1bw4Yc?ocid=msedgdhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-fauci-asks-americans-to-prepare-to-get-vaccinated-as-states-plan-for-distribution/ar-BB1bw4Yc?ocid=msedgdhp)
As the US prepares for the first round of vaccinations to tackle Covid-19, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci called on the public to "be part of the solution" and get vaccinated once it is available.
"Say, 'I'm not going to be one of the people that's going to be a steppingstone for the virus to go to somebody else. I'm going to be a dead end to the virus,'" Fauci told Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Monday.
When the vaccine is available for you, take it. Donald Trump didn’t listen to Dr. Fauci because he’s Donald Trump. What’s your excuse?
I know, this is off topic. But it is too important to post in the Off-Topic section.
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I'm having trouble deciphering the point of this rambling post. It has been Trump who has been the strongest advocate of the vaccine. He has correctly touted the vaccine as the ultimate solution to the pandemic while others - like Fauci - have falsely suggested that masks and social distancing were effective solutions. They are clearly not as evidenced by the skyrocketing case numbers even in those states that have mandated masks and social distancing for months. The only politicians who have cast doubt on taking the vaccine are dems like Kantala Harris and Cuomo. Mostly suggesting it may be unsafe to advance their own political agendas. If there was one thing that Trump was absolutely correct about, it was the vaccine. It is Alice-in-Wonderland logic to suggest he is an impediment to anyone taking it. And how about Fauci now advocating that kids go back to school? Something Trump was vilified for suggesting months ago. Fauci has played both sides against the middle. He has support almost every position on every issue. He is a publicity hound who has been wrong as often as he has been right.
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I'm having trouble deciphering the point of this rambling post. It has been Trump who has been the strongest advocate of the vaccine. He has correctly touted the vaccine as the ultimate solution to the pandemic while others - like Fauci - have falsely suggested that masks and social distancing were effective solutions. They are clearly not as evidenced by the skyrocketing case numbers even in those states that have mandated masks and social distancing for months. The only politicians who have cast doubt on taking the vaccine are dems like Kantala Harris and Cuomo. Mostly suggesting it may be unsafe to advance their own political agendas. If there was one thing that Trump was absolutely correct about, it was the vaccine. It is Alice-in-Wonderland logic to suggest he is an impediment to anyone taking it. And how about Fauci now advocating that kids go back to school? Something Trump was vilified for suggesting months ago. Fauci has played both sides against the middle. He has support almost every position on every issue. He is a publicity hound who has been wrong as often as he has been right.
It has been Trump who has been the strongest advocate of the vaccine. He has correctly touted the vaccine as the ultimate solution to the pandemic while others - like Fauci - have falsely suggested that masks and social distancing were effective solutions.
BS. Anybody with a functional brain understands that a vaccine that works is the ultimate solution to the pandemic. All Fauci and others did was recommend wearing mask and social distancing as the next best thing absent a vaccine. Trust you to misrepresent the facts as per usual.
He is a publicity hound who has been wrong as often as he has been right.
You are now talking about Trump, right?
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It has been Trump who has been the strongest advocate of the vaccine. He has correctly touted the vaccine as the ultimate solution to the pandemic while others - like Fauci - have falsely suggested that masks and social distancing were effective solutions.
BS. Anybody with a functional brain understands that a vaccine that works is the ultimate solution to the pandemic. All Fauci and other did was recommend wearing mask and social distancing as the next best thing absent a vaccine. Trust you to misrepresent the facts as per usual.
He is a publicity hound who has been wrong as often as he has been right.
You are now talking about Trump, right?
Tell it to the head of the CDC who during a congressional hearing indicated that mask wearing was as or more effective than a vaccine. Those are the "scientists" that Trump was supposed to listen too? LOL. Of course, you are attempting to change the topic and go down a rabbit hole. As best I can understand, the OP is suggesting Trump is somehow discouraging folks from taking the vaccine. Nothing could be further for the truth. President Trump is and has always been the main proponent of the vaccine. To the extent anyone has expressed skepticism of the vaccine it was Harris and Cuomo. Those are simply facts.
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Tell it to the head of the CDC who during a congressional hearing indicated that mask wearing was as or more effective than a vaccine. Those are the "scientists" that Trump was supposed to listen too? LOL. Of course, you are attempting to change the topic and go down a rabbit hole. As best I can understand, the OP is suggesting Trump is somehow discouraging folks from taking the vaccine. Nothing could be further for the truth. President Trump is and has always been the main proponent of the vaccine. To the extent anyone has expressed skepticism of the vaccine it was Harris and Cuomo. Those are simply facts.
To the extent anyone has expressed skepticism of the vaccine it was Harris and Cuomo.
Since when is wanting to be sure that the vaccine actually works "skepticism"?
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To the extent anyone has expressed skepticism of the vaccine it was Harris and Cuomo.
Since when is wanting to be sure that the vaccine actually works "skepticism"?
Is Trump discouraging people from taking the vaccine or not? That seems to be the false claim of the OP. How about at least acknowledging the obvious that Trump is the main proponent of the vaccine? The research community does trials to determine if a vaccine is safe. There is a scientific process for doing that. Not a political process. Why would a politician express any skepticism when that process was being followed? Many members of the public who heard Harris and Cuomo express such skepticism will now be reluctant to take the vaccine because this doubt has been recklessly interjected into the discussion.
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Is Trump discouraging people from taking the vaccine or not? That seems to be the false claim of the OP. How about at least acknowledging the obvious that Trump is the main proponent of the vaccine? The research community does trials to determine if a vaccine is safe. There is a scientific process for doing that. Not a political process. Why would a politician express any skepticism when that process was being followed? Many members of the public who heard Harris and Cuomo express such skepticism will now be reluctant to take the vaccine because this doubt has been recklessly interjected into the discussion.
Why would a politician express any skepticism when that process was being followed?
When it involves Trump skepticisim is to be expected given his track record of "recommendations" on the subject, ranging from "it'll go away in April" to "let's try desinfectant - oh wait that was a joke"....
Many members of the public who heard Harris and Cuomo express such skepticism will now be reluctant to take the vaccine because this doubt has been recklessly interjected into the discussion.
Just like people died trying bleech when "somebody" we all know suggested it as a possible remedy? Is that what you mean? Stop being foolish... When this vaccine gets certified Harris and Cuomo are not going to tell the people that it is not safe to take it. That's just one more talking point that goes nowhere.
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I'm having trouble deciphering the point of this rambling post. It has been Trump who has been the strongest advocate of the vaccine. He has correctly touted the vaccine as the ultimate solution to the pandemic while others - like Fauci - have falsely suggested that masks and social distancing were effective solutions. They are clearly not as evidenced by the skyrocketing case numbers even in those states that have mandated masks and social distancing for months. The only politicians who have cast doubt on taking the vaccine are dems like Kantala Harris and Cuomo. Mostly suggesting it may be unsafe to advance their own political agendas. If there was one thing that Trump was absolutely correct about, it was the vaccine. It is Alice-in-Wonderland logic to suggest he is an impediment to anyone taking it. And how about Fauci now advocating that kids go back to school? Something Trump was vilified for suggesting months ago. Fauci has played both sides against the middle. He has support almost every position on every issue. He is a publicity hound who has been wrong as often as he has been right.
The point of this post is to urge people to take the vaccine as soon as it is available to them. The risks of taking it outweigh the risks of not.
This was not a post about Trump although I mentioned him in passing.
Dr. Fauci will change his mind, as scientists do, with new information. It is a lot clearer now, then it was several months ago, that healthy children have a greatly reduced risk from COVID-19. And so, with the newest information, opening schools now seems relatively safe, when balanced against the risk of no school.
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Joe's message is clear......take the f....ing when it becomes available. Stop whining about politics, the virus doesn’t care.
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Joe's message is clear......take the f....ing when it becomes available. Stop whining about politics, the virus doesn’t care.
His "message" is far from clear, but yes take the vaccine just like Trump has said all along. Don't let the dems like Harris or Cuomo convince you otherwise for political reasons.
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His "message" is far from clear, but yes take the vaccine just like Trump has said all along. Don't let the dems like Harris or Cuomo convince you otherwise for political reasons.
'just like Trump has said all along'
>>> He immediately called it a hoax and suggested trying household cleaning products
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'just like Trump has said all along'
>>> He immediately called it a hoax and suggested trying household cleaning products
That is false and has nothing to do with the issue of whether has advocated a vaccine.
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That is false and has nothing to do with the issue of whether has advocated a vaccine.
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I had it. Was achy after work one day, had less than 1 degree of fever, felt sluggish for 36 hours, and that was it. We've turned the country upside down and trashed civil liberties and our economy all to fight a cold-like virus that has a survival rate of 98%+ across all age groups. If we have any freedoms left after this charade is over this will go down in history as the best example ever of global mass hysteria.
Sorry, OT.
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Joe's message is clear......take the f....ing when it becomes available. Stop whining about politics, the virus doesn’t care.
Exactly right.
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Just to clarify, I do mean getting TWO injections of the vaccine approved of by the FDA, at the proper intervals. And don’t hold out for a one-hundred-dollar bounty.
Not an injection of bleach. Not using Lysol as an inhaler. Not feeding an ultra violet light, with its power cord, down your throat and into your lungs. Get the proper vaccine.
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I had it. Was achy after work one day, had less than 1 degree of fever, felt sluggish for 36 hours, and that was it. We've turned the country upside down and trashed civil liberties and our economy all to fight a cold-like virus that has a survival rate of 98%+ across all age groups. If we have any freedoms left after this charade is over this will go down in history as the best example ever of global mass hysteria.
Sorry, OT.
Not everyone has the same reaction. Not much of a problem for most, but a big problem for some.
Not having restrictions is something I could consider, if the virus could be spaced out over 100 months. One per cent getting it every month. Our hospitals won’t be overwhelmed and the death rate would be around one per cent. But the natural course of the disease, like all diseases, is to grow exponentially. So, with no restrictions, with the disease doubling every week or two, half the people in the country will be sick with at the same time, when the disease is at its height. Hospitals will be overwhelmed and the death rate would be something more like ten per cent or more, as it was for New York when their hospitals were over stretched back in April. Indeed, hospitals would be overwhelmed about four to six weeks before the disease reached its height.
Not only would there be more deaths but the loss of production would be similar.
Restrictions: everyone loses one year of production of work (not really as bad as that): 200,000,000 man-years of labor lost.
No Restrictions: 10% of 200,000,000 die, losing 10 years of production each, costing 200,000,000 man-years of labor lost.
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I had it. Was achy after work one day, had less than 1 degree of fever, felt sluggish for 36 hours, and that was it. We've turned the country upside down and trashed civil liberties and our economy all to fight a cold-like virus that has a survival rate of 98%+ across all age groups. If we have any freedoms left after this charade is over this will go down in history as the best example ever of global mass hysteria.
Sorry, OT.
Think of it this way. You give everyone a revolver with a capacity of 100 and just a few bullets. Spin the chamber. Tell them to close their eyes and try and shoot them selves but before they do that shoot into a crowd of people that is largely but not exclusively elderly. After pulling the trigger on themselves keep shooting into the crowd at random.
You think it’s a good idea to give them the guns? Only a 2% chance of fatal hit. Think of the Naso-pharynx as the machine gun with a range of a few metres.
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By the way, what if you got and recovered from the COVID-19. Should you get a vaccine? Yes.
I was surprised to learn this year, that getting a vaccination will generally give you greater immunity than you get from getting and recovering from a disease. That is highly counter-intuitive, but true.
If you got COVID-19, you can assume that it is likely true that you accidentally spread it to one or more others. And they went on to spread it to others.
So, be a good citizen, don’t be a Steppin’ Stone multiple times. Get the vaccine as soon as you can.
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Exactly right.
Just to clarify, I do mean getting TWO injections of the vaccine approved of by the FDA, at the proper intervals. And don’t hold out for a one-hundred-dollar bounty.
Not an injection of bleach. Not using Lysol as an inhaler. Not feeding an ultra violet light, with its power cord, down your throat and into your lungs. Get the proper vaccine.
My post was directed at Richard
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I had it. Was achy after work one day, had less than 1 degree of fever, felt sluggish for 36 hours, and that was it. We've turned the country upside down and trashed civil liberties and our economy all to fight a cold-like virus that has a survival rate of 98%+ across all age groups. If we have any freedoms left after this charade is over this will go down in history as the best example ever of global mass hysteria.
Sorry, OT.
You may have had few symptoms, but you could have infected a number of others who were less lucky. The measures taken prevented that, at least to some extend.
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My post was directed at Richard
I was joking.
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I'm having trouble deciphering the point of this rambling post. It has been Trump who has been the strongest advocate of the vaccine. He has correctly touted the vaccine as the ultimate solution to the pandemic while others - like Fauci - have falsely suggested that masks and social distancing were effective solutions. They are clearly not as evidenced by the skyrocketing case numbers even in those states that have mandated masks and social distancing for months. The only politicians who have cast doubt on taking the vaccine are dems like Kantala Harris and Cuomo. Mostly suggesting it may be unsafe to advance their own political agendas. If there was one thing that Trump was absolutely correct about, it was the vaccine. It is Alice-in-Wonderland logic to suggest he is an impediment to anyone taking it. And how about Fauci now advocating that kids go back to school? Something Trump was vilified for suggesting months ago. Fauci has played both sides against the middle. He has support almost every position on every issue. He is a publicity hound who has been wrong as often as he has been right.
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Lame Duck Donald wasn't "correct" about anything. He touted bogus quack cures like Hydroxychloroquine, injecting bleach and lights inside your body over the use of a vaccine.
He also refused to enforce the Defense Production Act and shipped off 17.8 tons of our medical equipment to China leaving our medical professionals exposed and vulnerable to COVID as they only had diapers and trash bags as protective gear. He then falsely and fraudulently accused Obama of leaving the supply "empty" and doctors and nurses of stealing the supplies for profits. He was projecting again because he probably profited off the medical supplies when he sent them to China.
Why would he be a strong "advocate" for a vaccine when he called the Trump Virus a "hoax" and always downplayed the severity of it? He admitted that on tape to Bob Woodward.
Not only that, he passed up securing millions more doses from Pfizer so now millions of Americans will have to wait until summer to get vaccinated because of this idiot.
You're spreading bogus disinformation. Fauci and others never said masks and social distancing would end the virus. They said they are effective measures until we had a vaccine. New Zealand successfully beat COVID implementing those measures.
Cases are skyrocketing because of right wingers like you who refuse to comply with the mandated orders and they are the ones spreading COVID around.
So, Richard wants to blame Fauci who isn't in charge to make decisions but gives a free pass to the orange fraud who is in charge and created the COVID disaster we are facing today.
Why are you such a propagandist for Lame Duck Donald?
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Will Fang Fang visit Hunter when he goes to prison? How was he to know that the his crack expenses were not deductible or those checks from China had to be reported? Maybe the "big guy" will pardon him after he gets his ten percent cut. China Joe is in a bind. And he may name Mayor Pete to be ambassador to China. The Chinese must be laughing their arses off. It can't get any better for them.
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Will Fang Fang visit Hunter when he goes to prison? How was he to know that the his crack expenses were not deductible or those checks from China had to be reported? Maybe the "big guy" will pardon him after he gets his ten percent cut. China Joe is in a bind. And he may name Mayor Pete to be ambassador to China. The Chinese must be laughing their arses off. It can't get any better for them.
It turns out they have been investigating Hunter Biden for months now and nothing of any substance has turned up so far.
You are setting yourself up for another major disappointment, just with Hillary Clinton and the Durham "investigation".
Why do you keep doing that to yourself. It's so sad.... So much bitterness and resentment.
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It turns out they have been investigating Hunter Biden for months now and nothing of any substance has turned up so far.
You are setting yourself up for another major disappointment, just with Hillary Clinton and the Durham "investigation".
Why do you keep doing that to yourself. It's so sad.... So much bitterness and resentment.
Yes, interesting that no one was told before the election that there was an active investigation into Hunter. Remember when that was all a giant "conspiracy theory" and covered up by CNN and the social media as fake news? Hunter is going down unless the Big Guy saves him.
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Yes, interesting that no one was told before the election that there was an active investigation into Hunter. Remember when that was all a giant "conspiracy theory" and covered up by CNN and the social media as fake news? Hunter is going down unless the Big Guy saves him.
Yes, interesting that no one was told before the election that there was an active investigation into Hunter.
And repeat Comey's fiasco? No way.... They decided to stay out of the elections and rightly so.
Hunter is going down unless the Big Guy saves him.
If you say so....
The lack of any sense of reality on your part is truly amazing. When Biden is sworn in, all District Attorneys leave their posts and make room for the new guy appointed by the President. That also goes for the D.A. in Delaware.
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China Joe is bringing back Benghazi Rice into his administration. Wow. She did such a good job lying about that videotape. What next? Maybe put Hunter in charge of the vaccine. He does have extensive experience in drug distribution. So he is more qualified for that job than any other he has had. Fang Fang can be his assistant.
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China Joe is bringing back Benghazi Rice into his administration. Wow. She did such a good job lying about that videotape. What next? Maybe put Hunter in charge of the vaccine. He does have extensive experience in drug distribution. So he is more qualified for that job than any other he has had. Fang Fang can be his assistant.
You're going to have so much fun criticizing everything Biden does in the next four years. Too bad you will have nobody to share your "joy" with.
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You're going to have so much fun criticizing everything Biden does in the next four years. Too bad you will have nobody to share your "joy" with.
Yes, what kind of nut would go on and on and on criticizing the president. No one ever did that to Trump. Right?
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Yes, what kind of nut would go on and on and on criticizing the president. No one ever did that to Trump. Right?
I didn't. At least not at first, but he blew it early on. I think he meant well, as every President does, but it quickly got out of hand. You don't get very far if you constantly insult people you have to work with. He did America and himself no favor by letting his narcissism and insecurity take over. Diplomacy requires a surgeon's scalpel, not a sledgehammer.
Politics aside, why not invite Obama to the White House to reveal his painting, as is normally done by every President? And why not attend the White House Correspondence dinner as every President normally does? It's minor stuff but it counts. His constant whining doesn't help either. In other words, he brought it all on himself, that miserable git.
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"We're going to vaccinate hundreds of millions of people. Someone is going to have a seizure after they get the vaccine. Someone is going to have a heart attack. Someone will get into a car accident," Wilson writes, noting that these anecdotal cases would not prove that the vaccine had anything to do with what followed.
When you come across anecdotal stories such as these while scrolling through social media, Wilson wants you to remember "that anecdote and evidence are not the same thing." An odd coincidence shouldn't replace months of rigorous lab testing.
F. Perry Wilson, MD, associate professor of medicine at the Yale School of Medicine
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I didn't. At least not at first, but he blew it early on. I think he meant well, as every President does, but it quickly got out of hand. You don't get very far if you constantly insult people you have to work with. He did America and himself no favor by letting his narcissism and insecurity take over. Diplomacy requires a surgeon's scalpel, not a sledgehammer.
Politics aside, why not invite Obama to the White House to reveal his painting, as is normally done by every President? And why not attend the White House Correspondence dinner as every President normally does? It's minor stuff but it counts. His constant whining doesn't help either. In other words, he brought it all on himself, that miserable git.
Because that kind of establishment nonsense was never Trump's thing. He was always about results. Which is why there is a vaccine ready in record time to save the world instead of reading meaningless words off the teleprompter. Then cashing in. Remember to blame it all on the republicans after China Joe's term is over and he does nothing or screws up what little he tries to do.
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Remember to blame it all on the republicans after China Joe's term is over and he does nothing or screws up what little he tries to do.
Hard to see something notably good coming from Bidens presidency as he's been in politics for 48 years and just seems to go through the motions. A bit like most politics. All flashy promises but no results.
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Because that kind of establishment nonsense was never Trump's thing. He was always about results. Which is why there is a vaccine ready in record time to save the world instead of reading meaningless words off the teleprompter. Then cashing in. Remember to blame it all on the republicans after China Joe's term is over and he does nothing or screws up what little he tries to do.
Because that kind of establishment nonsense was never Trump's thing. He was always about results.
BS.. you don't get results by antagonizing people.
Which is why there is a vaccine ready in record time to save the world instead of reading meaningless words off the teleprompter.
Oh please... get of your high horse, will ya. Trump had nothing to do with the development of the vaccine, nor is he saving the world. Pfizer developed their vaccine, outside Operation Warpspeed, in England, without assistance or money from Trump. In fact, when they offered the White House the ability to pre-order Trump declined. Europe has been vaccinating for a week already and that idiot Trump goes on TV and claims America is first to get the vaccine. Total BS
Remember to blame it all on the republicans after China Joe's term is over and he does nothing or screws up what little he tries to do.
If the two run offs in Georgia go the Democrats way, they will control the White House and the two Houses (at least for the first two years) and the Republicans will be reduced to what they are doing best; whining! Having said that, if Biden and the Dems screw up while in power they need to be blamed in much the same way as Trump is rightfully blamed for his massive screw up.
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Hard to see something notably good coming from Bidens presidency as he's been in politics for 48 years and just seems to go through the motions. A bit like most politics. All flashy promises but no results.
Whatever Biden does, the Republicans will always complain and criticize him. They did it to Obama and they'll do it to Biden.
IMO they are best to be ignored.
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Whatever Biden does, the Republicans will always complain and criticize him. They did it to Obama and they'll do it to Biden.
IMO they are best to be ignored.
But he can "reach across the aisle." LOL. Obama was a do nothing but at least he had his marbles. China Joe doesn't have a clue. If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.
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But he can "reach across the aisle." LOL. Obama was a do nothing but at least he had his marbles. China Joe doesn't have a clue. If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.
But he can "reach across the aisle."
He can try, but with the extreme right on the other side, it won't do much good.
If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.
Your delusion is getting worse. Get help!
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But he can "reach across the aisle." LOL. Obama was a do nothing but at least he had his marbles. China Joe doesn't have a clue. If he doesn't go to jail with Hunter, he will just go down as another do nothing establishment politician before Trump wins in 2024.
Every single prediction you’ve made so far has failed miserably. You really should give it up.
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Hard to see something notably good coming from Bidens presidency as he's been in politics for 48 years and just seems to go through the motions. A bit like most politics. All flashy promises but no results.
Seems he managed to maintain democracy. Got to be worth something. But to far fewer than previously thought.
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From the first dose, it takes 10 days to get a good deal of immunity. 21 days after the first vaccine, a person should receive the second. So, by about 31 days after the first vaccine, a person should be pretty safe.
Prediction. By the end of January, we should have roughly 25 million people immunized. In theory, this should make a big difference. I suspect that in reality, it won’t.
The vaccines are not by given out randomly, but to a large extend to the people who tend to need hospitals, people living in convalescent hospitals. So, when 1,000 people out of every 1,000,000 get the virus, that is enough to strain the hospitals to the max. California is approaching that. But most of the people with COVID-19 in the hospital came from convalescent hospitals. So, once they are vaccinated, we should be out of the woods, right?
I don’t think so. With the very elderly not vaccinated, 1,000 people out of every 1,000,000 getting COVID-19 a day, is enough to fill the hospitals. But with just that small group vaccinated, it will probably take 5,000 people out of every 1,000,000 getting sick a day to fill the hospitals, now mostly with patients between 40 to 70, who were not vaccinated. The problem is, we can easily reach a point where 5,000 people out of every 1,000,000 come down with COVID-19 every day.
And Americans shows a pattern, that when we think they are out of the woods, we let down our guard. When people let down their guard, the virus can easily double every two weeks, or even faster, as has had happened in California during the last month. I think the big problem we are having now was mostly caused by people hearing the vaccines are almost here and so they let down their guard and got together with others for Thanksgiving and other get togethers.
When we get the good news that the number of people in the hospitals have gone down a lot, the rate of transmission is going to shoot up. And likely will shoot up in anticipation of that news.
Don’t let down your guard. We won’t be out of the woods until, perhaps, 70% have been vaccinated. Maybe your next get together should be for the Fourth of July.
Finally, if you come down with COVID-19 while the hospitals are maxed out, your odds of dying are multiplied by 5, maybe 10.
And don’t delay getting the vaccine. A wait of an extra month can be fatal. It may push you into a period when the hospitals are maxed out. As things get better, things are going to get worse. You can bank on it.
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I want to emphasis again.
The vaccine being distributed this month to a small portion of the population should, in theory, get us out of the current crisis. The U. S. could continue to get 700, or 1,000 people sick a day, for every million people, and not stress the hospitals too much, as is happening today. Because most of the people who take up room in the hospitals come from the vulnerable groups. But, if we celebrate and let our guard down, we could end up with 4,000 people sick a day, which could overfill our hospitals.
Once the hospitals get maxed out, the death rate will go up by a factor of 5 for people who can’t get in and receive proper treatment.
People being careless will negate the use of the vaccine in its current limited quantity. In California, in the last 6 weeks, the number of people who have come down with COVID-19 has increased by a factor of 8. The infection rate doubled every two weeks. Thanksgiving was a real disaster. Even with the most vulnerable portion of the population being vaccinated, if the rate keeps doubling every two weeks over the next month, we will be as bad off as of we took protective measures but got no vaccine.
If everyone gets together for Christmas like they usually do, it will totally negate the positive effects of getting the vaccine to the most vulnerable people. Put off your Christmas till 2021, or Christmas 2020 will be the last Christmas for many. Even if you survive, as you probably would, you can end the lives of others, even some who gave up their Christmas, because of the selflessness of you and others.
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1994: Four Weddings and a Funeral
2020: One Wedding and Four Funerals
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Video of how many of my fellow Californians were handling the COVID-19 pandemic crisis in November:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCer2e0t8r8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCer2e0t8r8)
Safety measures and social distancing don’t kick in until someone is caught kissing his wife.
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One in 40,000 people who receive the Pfizer vaccine have a severe allergic reaction.
One in 50, to one in 100 people who get COVID-19, die. Not die or have a severe allergic reaction. Die. And if the hospitals are maxed out, One in 20? One in 15?
COVID-19 will find you, sooner or later. And with the current rates, the smart money is on sooner. Get the vaccine as soon as possible. But hang around the clinic at least 30 minutes after vaccination. But keep social distancing up. You won’t get any benefit from the vaccine until about 10 days later. And get the second bolster shot. Land of the free, home of the brave.
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Interesting statistic. Per one million people, California has over 900 people getting COVID-19, each day. Per one million people, Australia has, as of today, 1,107 people who have contacted COVID-19 sometime during 2020. Per million people, California gets almost as many people coming down with COVID-19, each day, as Australia does for the entire year. And Australia’s statistics would not look so bad if Tom Hanks and his wife had not visited there.
In the United States as a whole, per one million people, 560 come down with COVID-19, each day. Every two days, per million people, the United States has as many people come down with COVID-19 as Australia has during the entire year. And people tell me that Trump is a good leader?
And no, it’s not the wide-open spaces of Australia that does it. The Dakotas were last month’s big trouble spot and they have lots of open spaces. It’s the decisions made by the people, who are heavily influenced by the leaders. Who don’t listen to Dr. Fauci, but listen to Trump instead. If Australia had been following Trump’s example, they would be having hundreds come down with COVID-19 each day, per million people.
Did California screw up again over Christmas? Will it screw up again over New Years? We will know in a couple of weeks. If so, the hospitals will be overwhelmed. And I better not need a hospital.
Essential fact: The virus can spread much faster than the vaccine will arrive, or can arrive. We can prevent that, or choose not to.
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Senators and Congressmen jumping in line to take the vaccine early. Good thing or a bad thing?
Good thing. A selfish thing, but a good thing. If there is anything that is going to convince people to take this vaccine it is anger about someone else jumping in line ahead of them. I think that for some people, this can make the difference. Just upping the percentages of people who will take the vaccine a per cent or two will make it worthwhile for the politicians to jump the line.
By the way, I have no objection to Biden, Harris or Pence jumping the line. I want the procedures of January 6 to go as smoothly as possible. I don’t want any extra excuse for overturning the election. Keeping Biden and Harris healthy is important during the next 3 weeks and I trust Pence to do the right thing next week.
Senator Marco Rubio says Dr. Fauci is constantly telling us different things. Yes. Scientists are always doing that. First, they said species were created after their kind. Then they said that they were created by Evolution. They said the continents were fixed in place. Then they said they actually move great distances over geologic time. They claimed at various times that the Earth was not thousands of years old but hundreds of thousands of years old, perhaps over one million years old. Then hundreds of millions of years old. Then 3 billion years old. And finally settled on 4.5 billion years old.
Science is not a way to learn what is the truth instantly. It is a way of approaching the world that gives the best chance of figuring out what is true, and likely converges on the correct answer as time goes on, though this is never assured and all scientific knowledge is always subject to challenge and possible change or even radical overturning.
Dr. Fauci changed his views a lot because scientific views are most volatile during the early stages of study. The study of COVID-19 is about 14 months old. Naturally, as more information comes in, Dr. Fauci will change his advice and estimates. And everything he has told us so far is subject to challenge and at least some of it to probable changes in the coming months. I would be astonished if he is currently totally right about all his advice and estimates.
Senator Marco Rubio says we cannot trust Dr. Fauci says. But he trusted him on getting that vaccine as soon as he could, even jumping in line. I’m glad he did. It may help people distrust Senator Marco Rubio and trust Dr. Fauci instead.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-vaccine-doses-ruined-intentionally-hospital-says/ar-BB1cmoQc?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-vaccine-doses-ruined-intentionally-hospital-says/ar-BB1cmoQc?ocid=msedgntp)
COVID-19 vaccine doses ruined ‘intentionally,’ hospital says
An employee admitted to purposely leaving 500 doses out of a refrigerator which ruined them. That employee was fired.
In America, each day, one in 2,000 people get the virus each day. If he delayed by one month 500 people getting the virus, he caused about 7.5 people to get the virus who would not have gotten it. There is about a 10% chance that his actions will cost the life of a person. Actually, not only are 500 people in the first wave delayed a month, but 500 people in the second wave are also delayed a month. And so on. There is a very good chance his actions will cost a life. This employee should not just be fired. He should be sentenced to prison.
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Feds may cut Moderna vaccine doses in half so more people get shots, Warp Speed adviser says
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-may-cut-moderna-vaccine-doses-in-half-so-more-people-get-shots-warp-speed-adviser-says/ar-BB1cr6K8?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-may-cut-moderna-vaccine-doses-in-half-so-more-people-get-shots-warp-speed-adviser-says/ar-BB1cr6K8?ocid=msedgntp)
I don’t get this. The problem seems to be getting the shots into people’s arms. Can they really vaccine people twice as fact if half dozes are used? I don’t think it matters if we can ship out 100,000,000 dozes a day, it looks like we can only give 500,000 vaccinations a day. And I don’t think it matters whether they are giving out half dozes or full dozes.
Let’s be able to inject the 13,000,000 dozes they do have before we look into cutting the dozes in half.