JFK Assassination Forum
JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Michael T. Griffith on January 28, 2021, 07:20:08 PM
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The evidence clearly indicates that the men who were the main plotters behind the JFK assassination were rogue high-level elements in the CIA and the military. (The next level or two down from this top brass of plotters included elements of the Mafia, the anti-Castro Cubans, and the Dallas Police Department.)
I think one could make a good argument that the conspirators were sincere patriots who believed JFK was being reckless in his dealings with the Soviet Union, who believed he was going to abandon South Vietnam to the Communists, and who were alarmed by his abandonment of all efforts to overthrow Castro.
I think the plotters also believed that JFK was squandering the opportunity to destroy the Soviet Union once and for all with a nuclear first strike. It is beyond question that elements in the CIA and the military attempted to use the assassination as an excuse to provoke an all-out nuclear attack on Russia.
What about the rule of law and the immorality and illegality of assassinating a sitting president? The plotters believed that JFK's actions and avowed goals justified taking the extraordinary step of assassination. I think one of the main reasons they engaged in such a massive cover-up was to preserve America's image as the world's most stable and noble democratic republic.
I believe that the plotters were sincere patriots, and that in their minds they were acting in the best interests of the country and the world. This is not to exonerate them, but it is to say that they believed they were doing what had to be done to protect and advance America and the cause of freedom around the world.
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Its also doubtful JFK could have got his own civil rights agenda passed in his second term.
The assassination helped LBJ get them through.
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The evidence clearly indicates that the men who were the main plotters behind the JFK assassination were rogue high-level elements in the CIA and the military. (The next level or two down from this top brass of plotters included elements of the Mafia, the anti-Castro Cubans, and the Dallas Police Department.)
I think one could make a good argument that the conspirators were sincere patriots who believed JFK was being reckless in his dealings with the Soviet Union, who believed he was going to abandon South Vietnam to the Communists, and who were alarmed by his abandonment of all efforts to overthrow Castro.
I think the plotters also believed that JFK was squandering the opportunity to destroy the Soviet Union once and for all with a nuclear first strike. It is beyond question that elements in the CIA and the military attempted to use the assassination as an excuse to provoke an all-out nuclear attack on Russia.
What about the rule of law and the immorality and illegality of assassinating a sitting president? The plotters believed that JFK's actions and avowed goals justified taking the extraordinary step of assassination. I think one of the main reasons they engaged in such a massive cover-up was to preserve America's image as the world's most stable and noble democratic republic.
I believe that the plotters were sincere patriots, and that in their minds they were acting in the best interests of the country and the world. This is not to exonerate them, but it is to say that they believed they were doing what had to be done to protect and advance America and the cause of freedom around the world.
Bravo, Mr Griffin..an excellent post. However.... Even if those rogue elements thought of themselves as super patriots that does not make them a patriot of any kind. We are (or were) a nation of laws that were created by the citizens.... The founding fathers drafted the laws and rules that are supposed to govern the nation. And they provided legal ways to rid us of any president that was violating his oath of office and mismanaging the nation. Anybody who takes matters into their own hands and acts contrary to the law is a criminal ...So those "Super patriots" were simple criminals.
Incidentally.... The founding fathers never intended for the vice president to automatically become the president in the event that the sitting president died, or became ill and unable to carry out the duties of the office. They knew full well that if the vice president was next in line to become president that would be an invitation for an unscrupulous person to kill the President and put himself in the office of the President. ( LBJ changed that )
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Bravo, Mr Griffin..an excellent post. However.... Even if those rogue elements thought of themselves as super patriots that does not make them a patriot of any kind. We are (or were) a nation of laws that were created by the citizens.... The founding fathers drafted the laws and rules that are supposed to govern the nation. And they provided legal ways to rid us of any president that was violating his oath of office and mismanaging the nation. Anybody who takes matters into their own hands and acts contrary to the law is a criminal ...So those "Super patriots" were simple criminals.
I agree. As much as I sympathize with their motives, and even agree with some of them, I wish they had been caught and punished.
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I agree. As much as I sympathize with their motives, and even agree with some of them, I wish they had been caught and punished.
As much as I sympathize with their motives, and even agree with some of them, I wish they had been caught and punished.
Yes, I agree.... JFK was attempting to stop a run-a-way freight train ( the nuclear arms race) but had no help in doing that. The Generals and Admirals who had won WWII thought that the US should flex it's nuclear muscle and force the commies to submit.
JFK was far wiser than the bloated idiots and negotiated deals with Castro, and K behind the public view ( to defuse ticking e nuclear time bomb) The knuckle heads who thought of themselves as superpatriots were furious.
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The backers of Trump consider themselves real patriots too. And I don't mean the likes of those guys that tried to lynch Pence. I mean the likes of Dr Steve Pieczenik, Bannon, General Flynn, General Keane, General McInerney, General Tata. Guys who headed 82nd and 101st airborne divisions. Top guys at the pentagon. Pieczenik was CIA's Mr Fixit and is wanted by Italy for the assassination of their former prime minister Aldo Moro, worked for every POTUS since Nixon to Clinton. The political figureheads in USA have competing backers. And the intelligence agency community ultimately gangs up and determines who gets to lead the nation. They are locked in a continual fight to get their 'person' into positions of power to ensure the agency prospers. You don't see this crap in European and ally nations. Military and Intelligence agency voices are nowhere near as powerful and acceptable on mainstream news discussing political topics.
Trump's group appears to have been a rogue group that considered themselves 'true patriots'. They beat the CIA/FBI's 'guy' Hillary in 2016. But lost to the CIA's and co latest stooge, Biden.
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I agree. As much as I sympathize with their motives, and even agree with some of them, I wish they had been caught and punished.
I wish they had been caught and punished.
WHO?? would have caught and punished J.Edgar Hoover and LBJ?
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I wish they had been caught and punished.
WHO?? would have caught and punished J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ?
The FBI could and should have exposed at least some of the plotters, but not with J. Edgar Hoover running the FBI. Hoover clearly had advance knowledge of the assassination and did nothing to prevent it. LBJ was not about to lift a finger to expose them; he was one of the most powerful forces behind the cover-up. The Texas authorities quickly bowed to the feds and made no serious attempt to investigate the case.
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The FBI could and should have exposed at least some of the plotters, but not with J. Edgar Hoover running the FBI. Hoover clearly had advance knowledge of the assassination and did nothing to prevent it. LBJ was not about to lift a finger to expose them; he was one of the most powerful forces behind the cover-up. The Texas authorities quickly bowed to the feds and made no serious attempt to investigate the case.
LBJ had the most to gain by the murder. RFK was breathing down his neck and about to take action to put LBJ in Prison.
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LBJ had the most to gain by the murder. RFK was breathing down his neck and about to take action to put LBJ in Prison.
I think the released LBJ phone recordings indicate that LBJ was not part of the conspiracy. Among other things, the tapes reveal that LBJ sincerely wanted to know if he had been targeted as well. Of course, LBJ could have been posturing for history. He was enough of a scumbag that I would not be shocked to learn that he was part of the plot, but so far I don't think any real evidence of this has surfaced, unless one wants to infer that his leading role in the cover-up suggests complicity in the assassination.
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I think the released LBJ phone recordings indicate that LBJ was not part of the conspiracy. Among other things, the tapes reveal that LBJ sincerely wanted to know if he had been targeted as well. Of course, LBJ could have been posturing for history. He was enough of a scumbag that I would not be shocked to learn that he was part of the plot, but so far I don't think any real evidence of this has surfaced, unless one wants to infer that his leading role in the cover-up suggests complicity in the assassination.
He was enough of a scumbag that I would not be shocked to learn that he was part of the plot, but so far I don't think any real evidence of this has surfaced, unless one wants to infer that his leading role in the cover-up suggests complicity in the assassination.
I don't think any real evidence of this has surfaced,
I doubt that LBJ left any evidence of his involvement..... He was too diabolically clever to leave any evidence of his leadership role in the coup. It's possible that Lee Oswald may have been assured the the VP knew about the STAGED ATTEMPT to shoot the president and would provide cover if he was arrested after the staged event. If my speculation is true, that would explain why Lee was murdered so soon after the coup.
LBJ never worked a day in his life.....He was dirt poor when he entered the political arena, but he was a billionaire when he left Washington.
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Its also doubtful JFK could have got his own civil rights agenda passed in his second term.
The assassination helped LBJ get them through.
LBJ saw that he was going to need votes to keep the reins of power in his hands.... LBJ Knew that he could capitalize on the revered JFK's popularity with the Black Americans, ( for promoting integration and civil rights) Thus LBJ simply used the dead president's policies to buy the Black vote. LBJ sneered at us "piss-ants" ..... He would dole out pennies of Tax Payer's money, if it would enable him to grab fists full of dollars while the till was open.
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LBJ saw that he was going to need votes to keep the reins of power in his hands.... LBJ Knew that he could capitalize on the revered JFK's popularity with the Black Americans, ( for promoting integration and civil rights) Thus LBJ simply used the dead president's policies to buy the Black vote. LBJ sneered at us "piss-ants" ..... He would dole out pennies of Tax Payer's money, if it would enable him to grab fists full of dollars while the till was open.
Just about any Republican could have beaten LBJ in 1968, partly because his handling of the war was very unpopular.
The plotters killed RFK and MLK because they viewed them as serious threats to the war effort.
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Just about any Republican could have beaten LBJ in 1968, partly because his handling of the war was very unpopular.
The plotters killed RFK and MLK because they viewed them as serious threats to the war effort.
The plotters killed RFK and MLK because they viewed them as serious threats to the war effort.
I disagree....Hoover had them snuffed because he hated them and their policies. He tried to blackmail both of them and was unsuccessful .... Hoover created fake photos that showed both RFK, and MLK in sexual activity, and he thought that he could intimidate them....
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The plotters killed RFK and MLK because they viewed them as serious threats to the war effort.
I disagree....Hoover had them snuffed because he hated them and their policies. He tried to blackmail both of them and was unsuccessful .... Hoover created fake photos that showed both RFK, and MLK in sexual activity, and he thought that he could intimidate them....
The evidence in the RFK shooting points pretty clearly to the CIA. Read Tate and Johnson's recent book on the case, The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, as well as Lisa Pease's book on the case, A Lie Too Big to Fail.
https://sites.google.com/view/the-rfk-assassination/home
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The evidence in the RFK shooting points pretty clearly to the CIA. Read Tate and Johnson's recent book on the case, The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, as well as Lisa Pease's book on the case, A Lie Too Big to Fail.
https://sites.google.com/view/the-rfk-assassination/home
When you say the CIA did it....You might as well say the Brotherhood of Sicilian Associates ....Because it means nothing. If you're saying that Dulles and Bissell were ring leaders, then I would agree.... But neither of them were officially employed by the CIA at the time of the Coup.
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Its also doubtful JFK could have got his own civil rights agenda passed in his second term.
The assassination helped LBJ get them through.
Yes, this is true. It certainly would have been a tougher road to get the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voters Rights Act of 1965 passed any time in the 1960’s if President Kennedy was not assassinated.
Just as the assassination of the Pro Civil Rights President Lincoln allowed the passage of the 14th and 15th amendments so the assassination of the Pro Civil Rights President Kennedy (he became so in his last few months) allowed the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.
I remember, as a child, hearing that it was impossible for anything like the Civil Rights Act to ever pass. If one determined Southern Senator filibustered against it, there was nothing even a super majority of Senators could do. Well, it turned out, that was false. A super majority could overcome one or even several filibustering Senators, under the rules of the Senate, if they were determined enough. Up until 1964, the majority were only pretending to try but didn’t really want it to pass.
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Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
That’s kind of like asking: Were the Elders of Zion were Honest Men?
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The evidence clearly indicates that the men who were the main plotters behind the JFK assassination were rogue high-level elements in the CIA and the military. (The next level or two down from this top brass of plotters included elements of the Mafia, the anti-Castro Cubans, and the Dallas Police Department.)
I think one could make a good argument that the conspirators were sincere patriots who believed JFK was being reckless in his dealings with the Soviet Union, who believed he was going to abandon South Vietnam to the Communists, and who were alarmed by his abandonment of all efforts to overthrow Castro.
I think the plotters also believed that JFK was squandering the opportunity to destroy the Soviet Union once and for all with a nuclear first strike. It is beyond question that elements in the CIA and the military attempted to use the assassination as an excuse to provoke an all-out nuclear attack on Russia.
What about the rule of law and the immorality and illegality of assassinating a sitting president? The plotters believed that JFK's actions and avowed goals justified taking the extraordinary step of assassination. I think one of the main reasons they engaged in such a massive cover-up was to preserve America's image as the world's most stable and noble democratic republic.
I believe that the plotters were sincere patriots, and that in their minds they were acting in the best interests of the country and the world. This is not to exonerate them, but it is to say that they believed they were doing what had to be done to protect and advance America and the cause of freedom around the world.
Sounds like a bunch of QAnon crap. Plotters, murderers, insurrectionists are not "patriots". Only in their deranged diseased minds do they think they are.
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When you say the CIA did it....You might as well say the Brotherhood of Sicilian Associates ....Because it means nothing. If you're saying that Dulles and Bissell were ring leaders, then I would agree.... But neither of them were officially employed by the CIA at the time of the Coup.
I don't think Dulles was involved. The evidence points to Helms, Angleton, Phillips, etc. etc.
I think many people in power believed JFK deserved to die because of his intent to withdraw from South Vietnam, his peace overtures to the Soviet Union, his intent to leave Castro in power, the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, and his sexual immorality.
JFK was listening to the wrong people when it came to the situation in Vietnam.
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I don't think Dulles was involved. The evidence points to Helms, Angleton, Phillips, etc. etc.
I think many people in power believed JFK deserved to die because of his intent to withdraw from South Vietnam, his peace overtures to the Soviet Union, his intent to leave Castro in power, the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, and his sexual immorality.
JFK was listening to the wrong people when it came to the situation in Vietnam.
The evidence points to Helms, Angleton, Phillips, etc. etc.
It's very difficult to "pin the tail on the donkey" in the correct place when you're blindfolded. There's absolutely no doubt that the donkey needs the tail, but putting it in the right place is impossible when you're blindfolded. We know that there was a conspiracy behind the murder of JFK.....But we don't know where to pin the responsibility....
It should be obvious that the reason that we are blind is because LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover had control of the investigation.
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The evidence points to Helms, Angleton, Phillips, etc. etc.
It's very difficult to "pin the tail on the donkey" in the correct place when you're blindfolded. There's absolutely no doubt that the donkey needs the tail, but putting it in the right place is impossible when you're blindfolded. We know that there was a conspiracy behind the murder of JFK.....But we don't know where to pin the responsibility....
It should be obvious that the reason that we are blind is because LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover had control of the investigation.
I would encourage you to read the books I recommended on the RFK assassination. In that case, the evidence pretty clearly indicates that Helms and Angleton were major players.
In the JFK case, the evidence overwhelmingly points in the direction of Helms and Phillips.
I think the evidence that has surfaced from LBJ's taped phone calls indicates that he was not a part of the plot, unless he was a very good actor who was putting on a show in the event that his tapes ever got released.
Another point to consider is that LBJ clearly refused to go along with the plotters' effort to use the assassination as an excuse to invade Cuba and/or to attack the Soviet Union. If he had been part of the plot, it's hard to imagine that he would have opposed that crucial component of the conspirators' plans.
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I would encourage you to read the books I recommended on the RFK assassination. In that case, the evidence pretty clearly indicates that Helms and Angleton were major players.
In the JFK case, the evidence overwhelmingly points in the direction of Helms and Phillips.
I think the evidence that has surfaced from LBJ's taped phone calls indicates that he was not a part of the plot, unless he was a very good actor who was putting on a show in the event that his tapes ever got released.
Another point to consider is that LBJ clearly refused to go along with the plotters' effort to use the assassination as an excuse to invade Cuba and/or to attack the Soviet Union. If he had been part of the plot, it's hard to imagine that he would have opposed that crucial component of the conspirators' plans.
LBJ clearly refused to go along with the plotters' effort to use the assassination as an excuse to invade Cuba and/or to attack the Soviet Union. If he had been part of the plot, it's hard to imagine that he would have opposed that crucial component of the conspirators' plans.
LBJ learned that Russia had put it's nuclear bombers in the air immediately after the murder of President Kennedy. ( I'm sure that you know that JFK was communicating with Khuershev and Castor outside channels, And Nikita knew that John Kennedy was having trouble keeping the militant militarists at the Pentagon in line. Many were furious that General Cabell had got the axe after the BOP. The majority of them old war hawks had thought that JFK should have sent US forces against Castro at the BOP, and they also thought that JFK should have attacked Russian ships during the missile crisis in the autumn of 62. And then launched nuclear missiles against Russia. )
LBJ knew that Russia had the finger on the nuclear trigger.....so he didn't want any hint that the US was going to rashly blame the Russians for the murder of JFK as the old war hawks believed. LBJ KNEW that the Russians weren't involved.
On Saturday morning 11/23 63 Gordon Shanklin the FBI SAC of the Dallas office told the assembled FBI agents....Quote" Washington does not want any of you to ask questions about the Soviet aspect of this case. Washington was does not want to upset the public" the referral to "Washington" did not mean FBI headquarters, for Shanklin "Washington" was shorthand for the White House. Unquote From FBI agent James Hosty's book Assassignment : Oswald
Please understand that I doubt that the plot to murder JFK originated with LBJ..... But he was privy to the plot, because he had learned of the plot from J. Edgar Hoover, whose FBI agents had uncovered the plot. Neither Hoover nor LBJ did anything to foil the plot. They conspired to keep the plot secret and aided and abetted the plotters .
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LBJ clearly refused to go along with the plotters' effort to use the assassination as an excuse to invade Cuba and/or to attack the Soviet Union. If he had been part of the plot, it's hard to imagine that he would have opposed that crucial component of the conspirators' plans.
LBJ learned that Russia had put it's nuclear bombers in the air immediately after the murder of President Kennedy. ( I'm sure that you know that JFK was communicating with Khuershev and Castor outside channels, And Nikita knew that John Kennedy was having trouble keeping the militant militarists at the Pentagon in line. Many were furious that General Cabell had got the axe after the BOP. The majority of them old war hawks had thought that JFK should have sent US forces against Castro at the BOP, and they also thought that JFK should have attacked Russian ships during the missile crisis in the autumn of 62. And then launched nuclear missiles against Russia. )
LBJ knew that Russia had the finger on the nuclear trigger.....so he didn't want any hint that the US was going to rashly blame the Russians for the murder of JFK as the old war hawks believed. LBJ KNEW that the Russians weren't involved.
On Saturday morning 11/23 63 Gordon Shanklin the FBI SAC of the Dallas office told the assembled FBI agents....Quote" Washington does not want any of you to ask questions about the Soviet aspect of this case. Washington was does not want to upset the public" the referral to "Washington" did not mean FBI headquarters, for Shanklin "Washington" was shorthand for the White House. Unquote From FBI agent James Hosty's book Assassignment : Oswald
Please understand that I doubt that the plot to murder JFK originated with LBJ..... But he was privy to the plot, because he had learned of the plot from J. Edgar Hoover, whose FBI agents had uncovered the plot. Neither Hoover nor LBJ did anything to foil the plot. They conspired to keep the plot secret and aided and abetted the plotters.
But the American militarists were thrilled that the Soviets had put nuke bombers in the air, giving them the perfect excuse to launch a full strike on Russia, but LBJ would have none of it.
Also, crucially, LBJ worked mightily to shut down Helms, Scott, etc., from publicly, and even privately, pointing the finger at Castro. Douglass covers this in some detail.
It is clear that the plotters planted evidence pointing to Castro in the hope of using JFK's death as an excuse to topple Castro. But when their media assets barely began to "reveal" this evidence, LBJ stomped down hard and virtually silenced such efforts. LBJ and Hoover also read the riot act to the CIA to stop pushing the narrative that Oswald was a Cuban agent and/or that Castro was behind the assassination.
Again, if LBJ had been part of the plot, he would have done all in his power to push the Helms-Phillips-Scott narrative, but instead he crushed it.
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But the American militarists were thrilled that the Soviets had put nuke bombers in the air, giving them the perfect excuse to launch a full strike on Russia, but LBJ would have none of it.
Also, crucially, LBJ worked mightily to shut down Helms, Scott, etc., from publicly, and even privately, pointing the finger at Castro. Douglass covers this in some detail.
It is clear that the plotters planted evidence pointing to Castro in the hope of using JFK's death as an excuse to topple Castro. But when their media assets barely began to "reveal" this evidence, LBJ stomped down hard and virtually silenced such efforts. LBJ and Hoover also read the riot act to the CIA to stop pushing the narrative that Oswald was a Cuban agent and/or that Castro was behind the assassination.
Again, if LBJ had been part of the plot, he would have done all in his power to push the Helms-Phillips-Scott narrative, but instead he crushed it.
It is clear that the plotters planted evidence pointing to Castro in the hope of using JFK's death as an excuse to topple Castro.
Absolutely!.....THAT was the primary reason for the plot..... The hot headed Cubans who felt betrayed by JFK, after the BOP fiasco wanted the heads of both JFK and Castro. ( Don't know which one they hated more)
Thiers was the plot that the FBI had uncovered .....And Hoover and LBJ aided and abetted.
if LBJ had been part of the plot, he would have done all in his power to push the Helms-Phillips-Scott narrative, but instead he crushed it.
LBJ wasn't part of the plot planning.....But he knew about the plot, and aided the plotters by agreeing to provide cover for the killers if they succeeded and he held the reins of power after the coup d e'tat. Personally....I believe that LBJ gave to signal to proceed with the ambush after his car turned onto Houston street and he saw something that told him that everything was ready and set.... and all that was need was his signal to GO. As soon as LBJ gave the secret signal a large firecracker was set off and that was the signal to the hidden assassins to fire the two shots that each had been given. I believe there were three shooters with two shots each... and at least one of them who was behind JFK had a silencer equipped weapon.
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The evidence clearly indicates that the men who were the main plotters behind the JFK assassination were rogue high-level elements in the CIA and the military. (The next level or two down from this top brass of plotters included elements of the Mafia, the anti-Castro Cubans, and the Dallas Police Department.)
I think one could make a good argument that the conspirators were sincere patriots who believed JFK was being reckless in his dealings with the Soviet Union, who believed he was going to abandon South Vietnam to the Communists, and who were alarmed by his abandonment of all efforts to overthrow Castro.
I think the plotters also believed that JFK was squandering the opportunity to destroy the Soviet Union once and for all with a nuclear first strike. It is beyond question that elements in the CIA and the military attempted to use the assassination as an excuse to provoke an all-out nuclear attack on Russia.
What about the rule of law and the immorality and illegality of assassinating a sitting president? The plotters believed that JFK's actions and avowed goals justified taking the extraordinary step of assassination. I think one of the main reasons they engaged in such a massive cover-up was to preserve America's image as the world's most stable and noble democratic republic.
I believe that the plotters were sincere patriots, and that in their minds they were acting in the best interests of the country and the world. This is not to exonerate them, but it is to say that they believed they were doing what had to be done to protect and advance America and the cause of freedom around the world.
Allan Dulles built the CIA in his own image and he was an "Ends justify the Means" kind of guy. So if it was an Inside Job, yes, I could see how the plotters convinced themselves that they were doing something good for the country.
The rightwing reactionaries of JFK's era viewed him as "weak" at best and "sympathetic to the Communists" at worst...
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I wouldn’t call the people that plotted to kill JFK sincere patriots. Or should I rephrase that, the people that plotted and killed JFK were not patriots.
True, J.E. Hoover and LBJ knew that it was about to happen. Hoover probably knew because he was connected to the mob. He used to go to the race track with Frank Costello. LBJ knew because he had mentioned that all will be good tomorrow to his girlfriend the night before the assassination. Marcello’s territory included Dallas so I am sure there were connections between Marcello and LBJ. I had read somewhere that Marcello was paying LBJ $50k a month when he was in the white house.
Hoover was owned by the mob, they had pictures of Hoover and his boyfriend so he was solidly in the mobs pocket. When I mention the “mob” I specifically mean Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante and above them, Frank Costello.
The main reason that the mob did it was because the Kennedy family double crossed the mob. Joseph Kennedy Sr had promised the mob that they would be left alone if they helped get his son, JFK elected president. Once in the white house JFK selects his brother RFK to be attorney general of the US. The mob hated RFK because of how he dragged the mobsters over the coals during the McClellan committee hearings. I think the straw that broke the camel’s back was when RFK had Marcello kidnapped and eventually released him and his lawyer out in a Central American jungle with no food, protection or anything to fend for themselves.
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You might as well say hitler was a sincere patriot ...
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I wouldn’t call the people that plotted to kill JFK sincere patriots. Or should I rephrase that, the people that plotted and killed JFK were not patriots.
True, J.E. Hoover and LBJ knew that it was about to happen. Hoover probably knew because he was connected to the mob. He used to go to the race track with Frank Costello. LBJ knew because he had mentioned that all will be good tomorrow to his girlfriend the night before the assassination. Marcello’s territory included Dallas so I am sure there were connections between Marcello and LBJ. I had read somewhere that Marcello was paying LBJ $50k a month when he was in the white house.
Hoover was owned by the mob, they had pictures of Hoover and his boyfriend so he was solidly in the mobs pocket. When I mention the “mob” I specifically mean Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante and above them, Frank Costello.
The main reason that the mob did it was because the Kennedy family double crossed the mob. Joseph Kennedy Sr had promised the mob that they would be left alone if they helped get his son, JFK elected president. Once in the white house JFK selects his brother RFK to be attorney general of the US. The mob hated RFK because of how he dragged the mobsters over the coals during the McClellan committee hearings. I think the straw that broke the camel’s back was when RFK had Marcello kidnapped and eventually released him and his lawyer out in a Central American jungle with no food, protection or anything to fend for themselves.
True, J.E. Hoover and LBJ knew that it was about to happen.
LBJ wasn't part of the plot planning.....But he knew about the plot, and aided the plotters by agreeing to provide cover for the killers if they succeeded and he held the reins of power after the coup d e'tat. Personally....I believe that LBJ gave to signal to proceed with the ambush after his car turned onto Houston street and he saw something (The red rings in the windows of the TSBD) that told him that everything was ready and set....
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Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots Murderous Traitors?
Uhh... let me guess--I would say yeah.
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I don’t see LBJ being part of the plot but I did read somewhere that he ducked down when the first shot was fired. Everyone one else thought it was a car backfiring or a firecracker, not LBJ.
An interesting side note, Gianni Russo was a runner for Frank Costello and he went down to New Orleans on Nov 18, 1963, to pick up a message from Carlos Marcello and return it to Frank Costello. The message from Carlos to Frank said “it’s on”.
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I don’t see LBJ being part of the plot but I did read somewhere that he ducked down when the first shot was fired.
Nah....That's not true. He just pulled Lady Bird down on top of him. R U kidding? Of course he was part of the plot. Read this---
THE GUNS OF DALLAS
by L. Fletcher Prouty
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GoD.html
The message from Carlos to Frank said “it’s on”.
Right :-\
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Ducking, pulling Lady Bird on top of him, same thing, he hid when the shooting started. And for him to hide behind or underneath Lady Bird, what a piece of crap.
As far as LBJ being part of the plot, nothing in that article says anything about that except; Before he died, LBJ told his old friend Tom Janos “that he knew Oswald had not killed JFK alone.” This does not mean LBJ had any part in it other than knowing it was going happen and that more were involved than Oswald. LBJ knew the mob did it.
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If you are still "undecided" check out page 78 in "Hollywood Godfather" by Gianni Russo, towards the bottom of the page you will find; "tell Frank, it's on", words of Carlos Marcello for Frank Costello.
For all of you unfamiliar with Gianni Russo he started working for Frank Costello while in his early teens as a runner. While working for Frank when he was sixteen he got involved with Marilyn Monroe. Gianni wound up in the movie "The Godfather" playing the role of Carlo Rizzi, the husband of Connie Corleone. He became very successful in Las Vegas with his own nite club frequented by the Hollywood elite.
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How about we pin the responsibility on the mob with help from Hoover and some small amount from LBJ.
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How about we pin the responsibility on the mob with help from Hoover and some small amount from LBJ.
The Mob? LbJ didn't have the power to stop a mob plot? When all he had to do was report the plot to Bobby Kennedy!!
LBJ was mister big......
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Let’s look at it from the 30,000 ft level and get away from all the tiny details. There is plenty of evidence that there was more than one shooter. We know this from witness testimony. We can pick apart the minuscule details until hell freezes over. Suffice it to say, multiple shooters. Settled, ok, let’s move on.
Who paid these multiple shooters and why? The CIA, the FBI, Castro, LBJ, the Mob, etc. Everyone of these organizations has motive, lets start with the CIA, what was their motive and what evidence do we have that they did it? The only motive I have is that it was said that JFK was going to dismantle the CIA. Let’s look at the FBI/J. Edgar Hoover, Hoover was owned by the mob, there is plenty of evidence of this. Castro, well the Bay of Pigs I guess would be the motive there. In the case of LBJ, LBJ, he was in cahoots with the mob. Marcello’s territory was Texas and Louisiana to mention a few. Tell me of any politician that told the mob what to do. So no, LBJ did not have the power to stop a mob plot. RFK, I think you will find that RFK was under the thumb of Hoover, Hoover had blackmail capability over both JFK and RFK and the mob had blackmail capability over Hoover. I think if you look hard enough you can find the pictures of Hoover and his boyfriend in compromising poses. What motive did the mob have…..
The mob had several motives; The Kennedy family double crossed the mob. Joseph Kennedy struck a deal with the mob that if they helped get JFK elected, he would see to it that the government would lighten up on the mob. That didn’t happen. Two, when RFK was Attorney General he had Marcello kidnapped and flown to Central America and eventually released him in the jungle to fend for himself. And I guess lastly all the trouble that RFK brought onto the mob and Jimmy Hoffa during the McClellan Committee hearings. These things caused Carlos Marcello to hate the Kennedy’s so much that he worked with Frank Costello (head of the New York crime families), Santo Trafficante, (the head of the Florida mob), Sam Giancana and others to put the plot together.
During their later years both Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante admitted to killing of JFK. While Marcello was in prison he had a cell mate who he confided in. While talking with his cell mate, Carlos admitted hitting JFK. What Carlos didn’t know was that his cellmate was an FBI plant and they recorded the conversation. In the case of Trafficante, while riding in a car with Frank Ragano, his lawyer, he admitted to Frank that they had done it.
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The evidence clearly indicates that the men who were the main plotters behind the JFK assassination were rogue high-level elements in the CIA and the military. (The next level or two down from this top brass of plotters included elements of the Mafia, the anti-Castro Cubans, and the Dallas Police Department.)
I think one could make a good argument that the conspirators were sincere patriots who believed JFK was being reckless in his dealings with the Soviet Union, who believed he was going to abandon South Vietnam to the Communists, and who were alarmed by his abandonment of all efforts to overthrow Castro.
I think the plotters also believed that JFK was squandering the opportunity to destroy the Soviet Union once and for all with a nuclear first strike. It is beyond question that elements in the CIA and the military attempted to use the assassination as an excuse to provoke an all-out nuclear attack on Russia.
What about the rule of law and the immorality and illegality of assassinating a sitting president? The plotters believed that JFK's actions and avowed goals justified taking the extraordinary step of assassination. I think one of the main reasons they engaged in such a massive cover-up was to preserve America's image as the world's most stable and noble democratic republic.
I believe that the plotters were sincere patriots, and that in their minds they were acting in the best interests of the country and the world. This is not to exonerate them, but it is to say that they believed they were doing what had to be done to protect and advance America and the cause of freedom around the world.
I exposed KGB infiltration of the CIA in 1984. KGB officers inside the CIA killed JFK, and my book proves it.
The KGB also used the CIA to orchestrate the massive cover up.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V9JT65Y
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Its also doubtful JFK could have got his own civil rights agenda passed in his second term.
The assassination helped LBJ get them through.
Johnson was a Southern Democrat who, like all Southern Democrats, hated President Kennedy and his policies, but he knew that he would alienate Kennedy voters if he did not sign the 1964 Civil Rights Act, President Kennedy’s landmark civil rights legislation.
Back in 1947, when President Truman pushed Congress to pass civil rights legislation, Johnson, a member of the House of Representatives, called it “a farce and a sham — an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty.’”
Johnson’s “mentor” during his twelve years in the Senate was Senator Richard Russell, who led the Senate filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, stating on March 30, 1964, “We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our states.”
Lyndon Johnson and Richard Russell were “very, very close friends” in a relationship that started out with Johnson as “the student” and Russell as “the teacher.”
Vice President Johnson hosted a dinner “in Senator Russell’s honor” while Kennedy was President, and Johnson “told the assembled gathering that if he were able to personally choose the President of the United States, he would select Richard Russell.”
The “Southern Bloc” of Senators that filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act was comprised of Lyndon Johnson’s buddies from his twelve years in the Senate.
Johnson, however, had a plan to stop integration dead in its tracks and keep Southern Democrats happy.
Johnson knew that the civil rights legislation he was compelled to sign would give people of African descent the ability to fully integrate themselves into society with absolutely no restrictions.
He also knew that giving money to people in poverty would tend to remove their incentive to participate in the free market economy, where any man or woman can rise to the level of his or her ability. So, Johnson launched his “War on Integration” and called it a “War on Poverty” in order to hide his true intentions.
President Johnson’s basic premise was: “Give money to people in poverty and they won’t integrate themselves into society.”
Segregation, which was the law of the land in Southern Democratic states a few years earlier, became more and more of a sociological norm as demagoguery took root, African Americans were exploited, and identifying with one’s skin color became a basis for gravitating towards segregation. It was the same demagoguery used by segregationists in the early 1960s as they called for separate but equal.
Gone were the exhortations that African Americans become integral parts of society, judged only on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. In due time, a nation with a large percentage of segregated African Americans was told that, for the most part, black people are victims who cannot succeed without government help.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V9JT65Y
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I exposed KGB infiltration of the CIA in 1984. KGB officers inside the CIA killed JFK, and my book proves it.
The KGB also used the CIA to orchestrate the massive cover up.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V9JT65Y
Every post you make ends with a plug for your book. Why not save yourself a lot of time and just create a thread entitled: PLEASE, PLEASE BUY MY NEW BOOK!!
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This is Mr Frank. Are you sure you want to mess with him?
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Every post you make ends with a plug for your book. Why not save yourself a lot of time and just create a thread entitled: PLEASE, PLEASE BUY MY NEW BOOK!!
The book is not new. I have sold about 3000 copies. I just want people to be informed. None of the “theorists” in the JFK assassination know what I know, which is why I wrote the book. I invite everyone to read the “Look Inside” sample and read the reviews.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V9JT65Y
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The book is not new. I have sold about 3000 copies. I just want people to be informed. None of the “theorists” in the JFK assassination know what I know, which is why I wrote the book. I invite everyone to read the “Look Inside” sample and read the reviews.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V9JT65Y
Congratulations on 3000 copies. How did you market the book? Have you given any interviews available on Youtube or podcasts etc?