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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Louis Earl on March 30, 2021, 04:05:58 AM
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Maybe 35 years ago a man I knew (very interested in the assassination) told me he had once seen a short film (or read a story) which followed bullet 399 from the time the ore to create it was mined all the way up to striking K's head. Ring a bell with anybody?
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Maybe 35 years ago a man I knew (very interested in the assassination) told me he had once seen a short film (or read a story) which followed bullet 399 from the time the ore to create it was mined all the way up to striking K's head. Ring a bell with anybody?
CE 399 did not strike Kennedy's head.
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Maybe 35 years ago a man I knew (very interested in the assassination) told me he had once seen a short film (or read a story) which followed bullet 399 from the time the ore to create it was mined all the way up to striking K's head. Ring a bell with anybody?
Kennedy, for one, certainly got his bell rung, and more, but not by the twofer.
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Maybe 35 years ago a man I knew (very interested in the assassination) told me he had once seen a short film (or read a story) which followed bullet 399 from the time the ore to create it was mined all the way up to striking K's head. Ring a bell with anybody?
Unless the miners all signed affidavits, this still would not establish a valid chain of custody for CE-399. Besides, affidavits signed by minors have no legal weight anyway, as established by Alan Rickman.
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Gentlemen,
You should know better. The bullet known as CE 399 was not the one 'found' or 'discovered' at Parkland Hospital. CE 399 is a copper-jacketed, round tipped bullet. The 'found' bullet was grey in color and had a pointed tip:
(https://i.imgur.com/MNSGVAy.jpg)
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Gentlemen,
You should know better. The bullet known as CE 399 was not the one 'found' or 'discovered' at Parkland Hospital. CE 399 is a copper-jacketed, round tipped bullet. The 'found' bullet was grey in color and had a pointed tip:
(https://i.imgur.com/MNSGVAy.jpg)
On his website, Pat Speer relates an anecdotal story about a Parkland nurse who complains about the amount of people leaving bullets lying around. No way CE 399 had anything to do with the shooting IMO.
The twofer shatters on JBC's wrist.
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On his website, Pat Speer relates an anecdotal story about a Parkland nurse who complains about the amount of people leaving bullets lying around. No way CE 399 had anything to do with the shooting IMO.
The twofer shatters on JBC's wrist.
No way CE 399 had anything to do with the shooting IMO.
Agreed, but I would take it a step further, by saying that I am not convinced that the bullet now in evidence as CE 399 ever was at Parkland Hospital.
There is no chain of custody, until the bullet arrives at the FBI lab in Washington. When the WC asked the FBI for witness identification of the bullet, in April 1964, SAC Shanklin reported that SSA Odum had shown the bullet to Tomlinson and Wright and neither could positively identify the bullet. The only problem was that Odum denied having ever had the bullet or showing it to anyone. In addition, Tomlinson (they only introduced the bullet into evidence after his testimony, and thus he never saw it), testified that he had been shown a bullet for identification only once, in December 1963, by SAC Shanklin. Tomlinson is also on record saying that he received a phonecall in which he was told to keep his mouth shut. And then there is Wright, who - if I remember correctly - used to be a police officer, who told Joshua Thompson that the bullet he received from Tomlinson was sharp nosed, which the current CE 399 isn't. Do the math...
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Guilty!
Major goof by me; unforced error.
Of course I did not mean the pristine exhibit 399, I meant the frame 313 bullet.
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Guilty!
Major goof by me; unforced error.
Of course I did not mean the pristine exhibit 399, I meant the frame 313 bullet.
This is from memory: the nose and tail of the bullet that hit JFK in the head were recovered from the limousine, while the middle section sheered off and got stuck on the exterior of the cranium. It seems unlikely, but the fragment can be seen, as I am told, on the X-Rays.
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On his website, Pat Speer relates an anecdotal story about a Parkland nurse who complains about the amount of people leaving bullets lying around. No way CE 399 had anything to do with the shooting IMO.
The twofer shatters on JBC's wrist.
From the WC: "Based on a comparison with test bullets fired from the C2766 rifle, the stretcher bullet and both bullet fragments were identified as having been fired from the C2766 rifle."
Do you think the bullet was fired from the rifle at another time? And found its way to Parkland at that time? But only discovered the day of the assassination?
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From the WC: "Based on a comparison with test bullets fired from the C2766 rifle, the stretcher bullet and both bullet fragments were identified as having been fired from the C2766 rifle."
Do you think the bullet was fired from the rifle at another time? And found its way to Parkland at that time? But only discovered the day of the assassination?
What makes you think;
- that the stretcher bullet is the same one as the bullet now in evidence as CE399?
- that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 was ever at Parkland Hospital?
- that the bullet fragments were actually recovered from the limo?
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What makes you think;
- that the stretcher bullet is the same one as the bullet now in evidence as CE399?
- that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 was ever at Parkland Hospital?
- that the bullet fragments were actually recovered from the limo?
I would add these:
- that CE399 ever went through JFK or Connally?
- that CE399 was ever in Dealey Plaza
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I would add these:
- that CE399 ever went through JFK or Connally?
- that CE399 was ever in Dealey Plaza
CE 399 is irrelevant.... The mannlicher carcano was not even fired that day......
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From Hugh Aynesworth's account in his book "Eyewitness to History." Aynesworth was on Houston Street during the shooting and immediately rushed over to the TSBD to investigate.
Aynesworth: "I saw Brennan talking to two officers and tried to poke my nose into their conversation. "I saw him up there in the window," I heard him say as he pointed toward Oswald's sniper's nest. "No doubt he was the one. He wasn't even in much of a hurry."
One cop asked if Brennan could describe the shooter. "Of course", he answered, "I saw him real good."
Remember that at that time people were rushing to the grassy knoll and the overpass. But Brennan was telling the police otherwise.
So did Brennan get lucky when they found evidence for a shooter in the window? And when others said they saw someone in the window with a rifle? Or a rifle being pulled back?
Clearly he saw something. He wasn't making things up.
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"Oswald's sniper's nest". LOL.
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From Hugh Aynesworth's account in his book "I saw Brennan talking to two officers and tried to poke my nose into their conversation. "I saw him up there in the window," I heard him say as he pointed toward Oswald's sniper's nest. "No doubt he was the one. He wasn't even in much of a hurry."
If Brennan's shooter-- "wasn't even much of a hurry"..where did he go? Oswald who wasn't in much of a hurry either was seen by Roy Truly and Patrolman Baker in the second floor lunchroom less then 2 minutes after the shots according to their testimony. Oswald's sniper's nest
A flunky statement from a not much of an investigative reporter.
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UPSTAIRS-DOWNSTAIRS
FOR CT DUMMIES 101
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1) UPSTAIRS
If you're a nobody who doubts that you will get out alive anyway, you might as well take a second or two to confirm the result of your attempt to become a somebody.
2) DOWNSTAIRS
After committing a loud crime in an area crawling with spectators, try to assume a nonchalant, unhurried-appearing demeanour in case you should happen to cross paths with law enforcement shortly thereafter said attempt. After all, one does not want to appear to be in a hurry to get the fck out of Dodge Dallas, now does one.