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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on June 01, 2023, 10:35:25 PM
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Famed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, which included 21 murder convictions, spent two decades researching and writing Reclaiming History.
Now personally I(JohnM) would have left out a few pieces of Vincent's evidence and after watching this video again I see that a couple of overlayed annotations that corrected and clarified my original summations are now missing? but as anyone with a half a brain can see, the evidence is truly overwhelming.
Btw some CT's will bring up the "wedding ring in a teacup" "LOL", in their opinion is not evidence but consider that this significant piece of evidence is only one half of one of Vincent's original 53 which amounts to less than 1% of his total evidence!
JohnM
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Famed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, which included 21 murder convictions, spent two decades researching and writing Reclaiming History.
Now personally I(JohnM) would have left out a few pieces of Vincent's evidence and after watching this video again I see that a couple of overlayed annotations that corrected and clarified my original summations are now missing? but as anyone with a half a brain can see, the evidence is truly overwhelming.
Btw some CT's will bring up the "wedding ring in a teacup" "LOL", in their opinion is not evidence but consider that this significant piece of evidence is only one half of one of Vincent's original 53 which amounts to less than 1% of his total evidence!
JohnM
Not this BS again? Can't you come up with something new?
Btw some CT's will bring up the "wedding ring in a teacup" "LOL", in their opinion is not evidence but consider that this significant piece of evidence is only one half of one of Vincent's original 53 which amounts to less than 1% of his total evidence!
You still consider the wedding ring BS to be a "significant piece of evidence"? Wow :D :D :D :D :D
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Not this BS again? Can't you come up with something new?
"new"???
Huh? The case is almost 60 years old! Hahaha!
JohnM
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You still consider the wedding ring BS to be a "significant piece of evidence"? Wow :D :D :D :D :D
Sorry Martin but Marina knew her Husband a little better than you! LMFAO!
Mr. RANKIN. Had your husband ever left his wedding ring at home that way before?
Mrs. OSWALD. At one time while he was still at Fort Worth, it was inconvenient for him to work with his wedding ring on and he would remove it, but at work--he would not leave it at home. His wedding ring was rather wide, and it bothered him.
I don't know now. He would take it off at work.
JohnM
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"new"???
Huh? The case is almost 60 years old! Hahaha!
JohnM
So, all you've got it the same old BS that nobody but the most insane LNs actually believes? That's good to know.
Sorry Martin but Marina knew her Husband a little better than you! LMFAO!
Mr. RANKIN. Had your husband ever left his wedding ring at home that way before?
Mrs. OSWALD. At one time while he was still at Fort Worth, it was inconvenient for him to work with his wedding ring on and he would remove it, but at work--he would not leave it at home. His wedding ring was rather wide, and it bothered him.
I don't know now. He would take it off at work.
JohnM
Meaningless testimony. I have no intention to debate this further beyond this post, but (according to Marina and Ruth Paine) Oswald went to Irving to get Marina to live together with him again. When she refused he may well have considered that to be the end of his marriage causing him to leave his ring.
The whole ring thing is speculation. What it most certainly isn't is evidence of murder, no matter how Bugs tried to spin it. The mere fact that he used this kind of argument only showed just how weak the case against Oswald really was and still is.
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So, all you've got it the same old BS that nobody but the most insane LNs actually believes? That's good to know.
Meaningless testimony. I have no intention to debate this further beyond this post, but (according to Marina and Ruth Paine) Oswald went to Irving to get Marina to live together with him again. When she refused he may well have considered that to be the end of his marriage causing him to leave his ring.
The whole ring thing is speculation. What it most certainly isn't is evidence of murder, no matter how Bugs tried to spin it. The mere fact that he used this kind of argument only showed just how weak the case against Oswald really was and still is.
So, all you've got it the same old BS that nobody but the most insane LNs actually believes?
It only happened one way and when you are reduced to tired boring insults, only proves that you are still angry and frustrated that can't provide a plausible alternative. Sad!
I have no intention to debate this further beyond this post
When you have no answers you always take your ball and go home. Thanks for playing!
The mere fact that he used this kind of argument only showed just how weak the case against Oswald really was and still is.
And here we are 60 years later and you haven't even made a dent against the Mountain of Evidence against Oswald. But good luck and maybe you and your CT mates can maybe agree on something, anything?
JohnM
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It only happened one way and when you are reduced to tired boring insults, only proves that you are still angry and frustrated that can't provide a plausible alternative. Sad!
When you have no answers you always take your ball and go home. Thanks for playing!
And here we are 60 years later and you haven't even made a dent against the Mountain of Evidence against Oswald. But good luck and maybe you and your CT mates can maybe agree on something, anything?
JohnM
It only happened one way
Yes it did and it certainly didn't happen the way the WC and Bugs want us to believe it did. There are just too many contradictions and flawed arguments in the narrative, which is simply too contrived to be true. If a case is as open and shut as you (and Bugs) think it is, it doesn't require 1632 pages of explanations.
When you have no answers you always take your ball and go home. Thanks for playing!
Hilarious. I actually gave you an answer and you either ignored it or didn't (want to) understand it. I said I wasn't going to debate this further because your stupid argument had no merit to begin with and, whether you like it or not, you have now been schooled on the subject.
And here we are 60 years later and you haven't even made a dent against the Mountain of Evidence against Oswald. But good luck and maybe you and your CT mates can maybe agree on something, anything?
Oh I think that all non-LNs agree with eachother that the "believers in the one and only truth" LN cult members are just a waste of time and air.
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https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3630.0.html (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3630.0.html)
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://www.businessinsider.com/kennedy-assassination-timeline-2013-11
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Tracking Oswald from the Depository to the Texas Theatre.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHVbmfHZ/jfklhoroutemap1-zpsfd158d2f.jpg)
JohnM
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Tracking Oswald from the Depository to the Texas Theatre.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHVbmfHZ/jfklhoroutemap1-zpsfd158d2f.jpg)
JohnM
Any idea why Oswald would go to a go nowhere place like 10th street when he is supposed to be on the run after killing Kennedy?
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Any idea why Oswald would go to a go nowhere place like 10th street when he is supposed to be on the run after killing Kennedy?
You answered your own question before you even finished your sentence.
JohnM
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You answered your own question before you even finished your sentence.
JohnM
Sorry John, I don't speak Chinese or gibberish.
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Sorry John, I don't speak Chinese or gibberish.
Read your initial comment again and think very carefully about what you said.
JohnM
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Read your initial comment again and think very carefully about what you said.
JohnM
When you start playing games you normally have no answer. Thanks for playing, John!
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When you start playing games you normally have no answer. Thanks for playing, John!
Unlike others, I don't consider this a game and you clearly don't understand the ramifications of your very own words.
JohnM
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Unlike others, I don't consider this a game and you clearly don't understand the ramifications of your very own words.
JohnM
Of course you consider it to be a game. If you didn't, you would take it seriously and simply answer the question.
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If we assume Oswald did indeed get a bus transfer ticket and was carrying it with him when he left the rooming house, a potential reason for the direction he was travelling emerges.
There were two points he could have used the transfer ticket, marked A and B on the pic below.
Point A was at Marsalis and Jefferson, the transfer ticket in question had to be used by 1:15pm
Point B was at Ewing and Jefferson and could have been used at 1:40pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNsJFFm5/Screenshot-381.png) (https://postimg.cc/vcwb4XF7)
If Oswald left the rooming house and was trying to make the connection at point A he would have been travelling quickly to make the 1:15pm connection, and in a general direction that would have found him travelling up 10th Street around the time of the Tippit shooting.
https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/document/0393/23811297.pdf
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One of the problems with the line of speculation in this document is that the man that witnesses described was walking west on 10th street.
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One of the problems with the line of speculation in this document is that the man that witnesses described was walking west on 10th street.
Markham describes the man walking east with the police car cruising slowly behind him. The car pulls over and the man moves towards the car, now facing west. This seems to be when Scoggins first becomes aware of him. Benevides arrives on the scene just as Tippit is shot.
LATER EDIT:
It is one of those annoying coincidences that Oswald is seen around 1:00pm by Roberts at the rooming house and the nearest point to the rooming house that the bus transfer ticket can be used is point A in the pic above and it must be used by 1:15pm. Someone leaving the rooming house around 1:00pm trying to make the transfer point at "A" by 1:15pm could have been in the right place at the right time for the Tippit murder.
It's an intriguing possibility.
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Famed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, which included 21 murder convictions, spent two decades researching and writing Reclaiming History.
Now personally I(JohnM) would have left out a few pieces of Vincent's evidence and after watching this video again I see that a couple of overlayed annotations that corrected and clarified my original summations are now missing? but as anyone with a half a brain can see, the evidence is truly overwhelming.
Btw some CT's will bring up the "wedding ring in a teacup" "LOL", in their opinion is not evidence but consider that this significant piece of evidence is only one half of one of Vincent's original 53 which amounts to less than 1% of his total evidence!
JohnM
The evidence is overwhelming?
The evidence for what?
Do you mean the evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was somehow involved in the assassination or that the evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was the actual assassin?
The overwhelming evidence you present equally supports the Patsy model of the assassination as it does the Oswald-Did-It model.
Almost every single piece of evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor before, during and after the assassination points away from Oswald - why have you left this evidence out?
The evidence you have decided to focus on paints one picture, the evidence you decide to leave out paints another.
It is a tactic used by the most ardent Tinfoil-hat-wearing CTer's and it leads to the same result - a skewed and highly biased outlook on the assassination
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Markham describes the man walking east with the police car cruising slowly behind him. The car pulls over and the man moves towards the car, now facing west. This seems to be when Scoggins first becomes aware of him. Benevides arrives on the scene just as Tippit is shot.
LATER EDIT:
It is one of those annoying coincidences that Oswald is seen around 1:00pm by Roberts at the rooming house and the nearest point to the rooming house that the bus transfer ticket can be used is point A in the pic above and it must be used by 1:15pm. Someone leaving the rooming house around 1:00pm trying to make the transfer point at "A" by 1:15pm could have been in the right place at the right time for the Tippit murder.
It's an intriguing possibility.
Someone leaving the rooming house around 1:00pm trying to make the transfer point at "A" by 1:15pm could have been in the right place at the right time for the Tippit murder.
That depends when Tippit was actually killed.
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Any idea why Oswald would go to a go nowhere place like 10th street when he is supposed to be on the run after killing Kennedy?
What exactly do you think Oswald should have done after killing the president? Do you think that a guy with no access to a car or much money had a good escape plan? Oswald was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out of the TSBD. Death or arrest was always part of his decision to go forward with the assassination. There was no getting away. At best, he might have slipped out of Dallas and tried to make his way to Mexico. In his twisted brain, maybe he hoped to reach the Cuban embassy and request asylum. But there was no good escape plan from a crime of the magnitude that he committed. He was basically just playing his hand out until the authorities caught up with him. It's humorous to imply that because he was encountered in a "nowhere place" that this somehow calls into question his involvement in the assassination. To the contrary, a "nowhere place" is exactly where a criminal on the run wants to be.
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What exactly do you think Oswald should have done after killing the president? Do you think that a guy with no access to a car or much money had a good escape plan? Oswald was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out of the TSBD. Death or arrest was always part of his decision to go forward with the assassination. There was no getting away. At best, he might have slipped out of Dallas and tried to make his way to Mexico. In his twisted brain, maybe he hoped to reach the Cuban embassy and request asylum. But there was no good escape plan from a crime of the magnitude that he committed. He was basically just playing his hand out until the authorities caught up with him. It's humorous to imply that because he was encountered in a "nowhere place" that this somehow calls into question his involvement in the assassination. To the contrary, a "nowhere place" is exactly where a criminal on the run wants to be.
Oswald was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out of the TSBD. Death or arrest was always part of his decision to go forward with the assassination.
He told you that, did he? Or are you simply making things up again?
At best, he might have slipped out of Dallas and tried to make his way to Mexico.
If he was really on the run, that would seem to have been a better option than walking to a residencial area and killing a cop to draw more attention to himself.
But there was no good escape plan from a crime of the magnitude that he committed.
Maybe that's why he just bought a coke and hung around to be confronted by a police man.... :D :D :D :D
It's humorous to imply that because he was encountered in a "nowhere place" that this somehow calls into question his involvement in the assassination.
There are plenty of things that call into question his involvement in the assassination. Him being encountered in a "nowhere place" if that's what really happened isn't one of them.
To the contrary, a "nowhere place" is exactly where a criminal on the run wants to be.
Speaking from experience, are you?
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Markham describes the man walking east with the police car cruising slowly behind him. The car pulls over and the man moves towards the car, now facing west. This seems to be when Scoggins first becomes aware of him. Benevides arrives on the scene just as Tippit is shot.
Scoggins said he was going west, or at least facing west. William Lawrence Smith saw him walking west on 10th toward Patton. So did Jimmy Burt.
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Scoggins said he was going west, or at least facing west. William Lawrence Smith saw him walking west on 10th toward Patton. So did Jimmy Burt.
Only two witnesses saw the shooter pulled over by Tippit - Markham and Tatum.
Both say he was walking east on 10th, they saw the police car pull over and the man stop, turn, now facing west, and approach the passenger side window of the police car.
William Lawrence Smith saw a man he was sure was Oswald walking east on 10th but never saw the interaction with Tippit.
Jimmy Burt saw a man walking west on 10th but couldn't identify him as Oswald. Burt was chatting to his friend (also called William Smith!) and saw the car pull up and a man go over to the passenger window. Burt is convinced it was the same man he saw walking down the street but stated that he had not visually followed this man down the street to the point where he approached the police car.
He also notes that Tippit rolled the passenger window down and the man lean into the window.
Burt's friend, William Arthur Smith, did not see the man walking west on 10th and didn't see the police car pulling up. He heard the shots then looked over to see Tippit fall and the shooter run off.
Markham is often lambasted as a witness but her account of the man walking east on 10th and being pulled over by Tippit is confirmed by other accounts. Tatum also sees the man walking east on 10th and the police car pulling over.
Markham recalls the man turning and approaching the passenger window and leaning in. This is also confirmed by Tatum and Jimmy Burr.
After the shooting Markham states that the shooter begin moving west down 10th, then slowing down to look at her. Benevides also recalls the shooter moving west and pausing briefly before heading south, down Patton.
William Smith simply recalls someone who he thought looked like Oswald walking west down 10th, he didn't see this man interacting with Tippit.
Jimmy Burr saw a man walking west on 10th but could not identify him as Oswald. He was chatting to his wife and his friend and when he looked over again he saw the police car pull up and a man approach it. He is convinced it was the same man but it is no more than an assumption.
The stronger witness evidence must be viewed as that of Markham and Tatum, Both have the shooter walking east on 10th.
This supports the proposed solution to Oswald's route put forward in Reply#17
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Someone leaving the rooming house around 1:00pm trying to make the transfer point at "A" by 1:15pm could have been in the right place at the right time for the Tippit murder.
That depends when Tippit was actually killed.
Of course.
And the exact time Oswald left the rooming house (if we assume he is the shooter).
If Oswald was the shooter why would he be walking east up 10th?
In order for him to be at this location around the time of the shooting he must have hurried from the rooming house to 10th and Patton. Why would he be in a hurry?
The bus transfer ticket provides potential solutions for these questions.
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Of course.
And the exact time Oswald left the rooming house (if we assume he is the shooter).
If Oswald was on the shooter why would he be walking east up 10th?
In order for him to be at this location around the time of the shooting he must have hurried from the rooming house to 10th and Patton. Why would he be in a hurry?
The bus transfer ticket provides potential solutions for these questions.
he must have hurried from the rooming house to 10th and Patton. Why would he be in a hurry?
I have often wondered exactly that...
The bus transfer ticket provides potential solutions for these questions.
In theory, sure. In practice, I'm not so sure. If Oswald wanted to get to point A, he could have taken another route that seems more logical.
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There’s no reason whatsoever to consider Tatum a “stronger” witness — or indeed to even believe he was there that day. Nobody else at the scene made any mention of him.
But if Burt and Smith saw a man walking west right before the shooting then who else could it be other than the man witnesses saw leave the Tippit scene down Patton?
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Of course.
And the exact time Oswald left the rooming house (if we assume he is the shooter).
If Oswald was on the shooter why would he be walking east up 10th?
In order for him to be at this location around the time of the shooting he must have hurried from the rooming house to 10th and Patton. Why would he be in a hurry?
The bus transfer ticket provides potential solutions for these questions.
But then that raises the question, if Oswald was so determined to use a bus transfer, why would he pay for a cab at all and then take the time to have a cab drop him off in a place that would require him to have to hurry so much in order to use it? Speculation can take you anywhere.
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I was under the impression that the bus transfer was only valid for 15 minutes from the moment of it being issued. If that is correct, the transfer would have expired by the time Oswald got to the roominghouse.
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David Belin, in his book: “November 22, 1963: You Are The Jury” writes that his theory is pure conjecture. Then goes on to explain, after explaining some of his research, how it could possibly be correct. On page 427, regarding the bus transfer, he writes:
I was also correct in my hypothesis that a city transit company bus could be boarded at the intersection of Marsalis and Jefferson Streets near the scene of the Tippit murder, which went along Lancaster Road past the Lisbon flag stop. Finally, I was correct that the transfer would be valid for that bus. The rules of the bus line provided that the transfer was ordinarily valid for 15 minutes. However, the Lancaster Road bus route at that time had buses scheduled only every hour. If the bus for which the transfer was being used was scheduled an hour later, the transfer would be good for that bus, regardless of the time that had transpired after leaving the bus from which the transfer was obtained. In other words, the Marsalis bus line driver gave Oswald a transfer cut at 1:00 pm. However, the next bus at Lancaster Road would not have arrived at the transfer point until after 1:30. Accordingly, the transfer that Oswald had in his pocket was good for the Lancaster bus route.
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David Belin, in his book: “November 22, 1963: You Are The Jury” writes that his theory is pure conjecture. Then goes on to explain, after explaining some of his research, how it could possibly be correct. On page 427, regarding the bus transfer, he writes:
I was also correct in my hypothesis that a city transit company bus could be boarded at the intersection of Marsalis and Jefferson Streets near the scene of the Tippit murder, which went along Lancaster Road past the Lisbon flag stop. Finally, I was correct that the transfer would be valid for that bus. The rules of the bus line provided that the transfer was ordinarily valid for 15 minutes. However, the Lancaster Road bus route at that time had buses scheduled only every hour. If the bus for which the transfer was being used was scheduled an hour later, the transfer would be good for that bus, regardless of the time that had transpired after leaving the bus from which the transfer was obtained. In other words, the Marsalis bus line driver gave Oswald a transfer cut at 1:00 pm. However, the next bus at Lancaster Road would not have arrived at the transfer point until after 1:30. Accordingly, the transfer that Oswald had in his pocket was good for the Lancaster bus route.
Even if true, is there any evidence that Oswald knew this?
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Belin’s theory is pure conjecture. He states that using those exact words. He says that LHO regularly used the buses in Dallas and believed that LHO would know the rules.
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I was under the impression that the bus transfer was only valid for 15 minutes from the moment of it being issued. If that is correct, the transfer would have expired by the time Oswald got to the roominghouse.
The bus transfer was valid for 15 minutes after the time specified on the transfer.
The time on the bus transfer ticket was 1:00pm and was valid until 1:15pm
McWatters explains it in his WC testimony:
Mr. Ball: Well now, do you punch the transfer when the passenger asks for it?
Mr. Mcwatters: No. No, sir; in other words, when you leave this, you are inbound when you are going into town or when you are going, in other words, out of town, in other words.
I was coming in, in other words, when I got in Lakewood Addition I set my transfers for downtown.
Mr. Ball: For downtown and you set them for what time?
Mr. Mcwatters: I set them for 1 o'clock.
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But then that raises the question, if Oswald was so determined to use a bus transfer, why would he pay for a cab at all and then take the time to have a cab drop him off in a place that would require him to have to hurry so much in order to use it? Speculation can take you anywhere.
if Oswald was so determined to use a bus transfer, why would he pay for a cab at all
It can be easily argued that the notoriously tight-fisted Oswald splashed out on a cab because he was determined to use the bus transfer.
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Continuing with his theory, Belin writes in the next paragraph on page 427 of his book “November 22, 1963, You Are The Jury”:
There was one additional fact that supported my theory. The intersection at Jefferson and Marsalis Streets was the only transfer point in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas at which Oswald could have used his transfer.
If I remember correctly, Dale Myers theorized that LHO might have, immediately after leaving the rooming house, walked east over to Marsalis Street then headed south. Dale indicated that there was some routine police activity happening at the Marsalis/Jefferson Streets intersection at that time. Dale theorized that LHO might have seen the police as he approached the intersection and turned west on 10th Street to try to avoid the police.
I think that if Belin’s theory is correct, that might help explain why LHO chose to board the Marsalis bus instead of waiting a short time for the one that went right by the rooming house. Perhaps LHO wasn’t even planning to retrieve his revolver from his room. He might have initially been planning to transfer to the Lancaster bus without retrieving the revolver. Maybe he just wanted to get away ASAP.
I also have a theory that if Belin’s and Dale Myers’ theories are correct, that LHO could have seen the taxi at the intersection of 10th and Patton from a distance as he was walking on 10th Street. Perhaps he wanted to use the taxi to take him away from there. So, maybe he started hurrying even faster, or even raised his arm in an effort to try to get the taxi driver’s attention. And, as fate would have it, perhaps Tippit saw LHO at that same time (and before LHO saw him). Tippit might have thought LHO was trying to flag him down, and that might be the reason he stopped. Yes, this is all pure conjecture. But it keeps on occurring to me every time I consider the possibilities.
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if Oswald was so determined to use a bus transfer, why would he pay for a cab at all
It can be easily argued that the notoriously tight-fisted Oswald splashed out on a cab because he was determined to use the bus transfer.
Seems like an extra bus fare would be cheaper than a cab fare.
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Seems like an extra bus fare would be cheaper than a cab fare.
I would imagine you are correct - a bus fare would be cheaper than a cab fare.
However, I'm not sure what you mean by pointing that out.
In the scenario being outlined Oswald has a bus transfer ticket that runs out at 1:15pm.
Having the bus transfer ticket on him raises a possible explanation for why he is heading east on 10th and why he is in a hurry - he is trying to make the transfer point at Marsalis and Jefferson before 1:15pm.
I'm not sure how catching a different bus helps him achieve this.
I get the impression that Oswald was really tight-fisted with money and getting a cab back to the rooming house would be a really unusual thing for him to do. The most reasonable assumption I can make is that he is in a hurry to get where he's going.
Roberts gives the impression Oswald is in a big hurry when he enters the rooming house.
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I would imagine you are correct - a bus fare would be cheaper than a cab fare.
However, I'm not sure what you mean by pointing that out.
In the scenario being outlined Oswald has a bus transfer ticket that runs out at 1:15pm.
Having the bus transfer ticket on him raises a possible explanation for why he is heading east on 10th and why he is in a hurry - he is trying to make the transfer point at Marsalis and Jefferson before 1:15pm.
I'm not sure how catching a different bus helps him achieve this.
Because he paid a cab fare in order to avoid paying an extra bus fare? This makes no sense.
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Because he paid a cab fare in order to avoid paying an extra bus fare? This makes no sense.
Maybe because Oswald was in a hurry to get out of the main city of Dallas?
I wonder what would cause an alleged "tight-fist" to want to splurge unnecessary money to leave in such a hurry? LOL
JohnM
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I wonder what would cause an alleged "tight-fist" to want to splurge unnecessary money to leave in such a hurry? LOL
Maybe this wonder should be called evidence of murder.
Oh yeah, it is.
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Did not Oswald have on his person approx $13 dollars when he was arrested in the Texas Theater?
That’s about equivalent to $100 today given that the min wage in 63 was $1.25/hr.
So if Oswald was in hurry to get out of town , he had enough money to take a cab or get a bus to take him to the Marseilles Zoo and from
There Oswald could have boarded an empty box car on the nearby railroad line.
But then why didn’t Oswald take his spy camera and some clothes in a bag and some other items he might need from
His boarding room, if he was planning to go out of town by bus or freight train?
If Oswald was so familiar with the bus then why did he choose a bus he must have known was going BACK to the TSBD?
If Oswald was in hurry to get back to his boarding room, and he had the equivalent by todays standard of $100 then why didn’t he just go straight to the nearest cab so as to get to his boarding room ASAP?
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Maybe this wonder should be called evidence of murder.
Oh yeah, it is.
Furthermore, this case from Michigan, explains that “evidence of flight, which includes fleeing the scene of a crime, is admissible to support an inference of consciousness of guilt.”
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/flight#:~:text=Flight%2C%20in%20the%20context%20of,to%20avoid%20arrest%20or%20prosecution.
Oh yeah, it is.
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JohnM
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“Support an inference”. LOL.
What this supports is confirmation bias.
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Furthermore, this case from Michigan, explains that “evidence of flight, which includes fleeing the scene of a crime, is admissible to support an inference of consciousness of guilt.”
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/flight#:~:text=Flight%2C%20in%20the%20context%20of,to%20avoid%20arrest%20or%20prosecution.
JohnM
Let's first establish that Oswald was in fact fleeing the scene of a crime, rather than just assuming he was, shall we?
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Let's first establish that Oswald was in fact fleeing the scene of a crime, rather than just assuming he was, shall we?
Huh? The scene of the crime was from the Depository to a point on Elm street and Oswald fled the Depository within minutes and was frantically catching buses and cabs.
JohnM
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Huh? The scene of the crime was from the Depository to a point on Elm street and Oswald fled the Depository within minutes and was frantically catching buses and cabs.
JohnM
Since when does a guy "fleeing the scene of a crime" offer his cab to a woman who also needed a ride?
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Since when does a guy "fleeing the scene of a crime" offer his cab to a woman who also needed a ride?
Whaley's affidavit from the day after.
(https://i.postimg.cc/59T43pbN/Whaley-affidavit.png)
JohnM
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Whaley's affidavit from the day after.
(https://i.postimg.cc/59T43pbN/Whaley-affidavit.png)
JohnM
What's wrong with you? You are making no sense. This alone confirms that Oswald was not fleeing the scene!
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What's wrong with you? You are making no sense.
Why am I making no sense?
I see you edited your post.
Martin Weidmann: This alone confirms that Oswald was not fleeing the scene!
John Mytton: Whaley, when his mind was freshest, on the day after in his affidavit says nothing about Oswald offering the cab to the lady. Also worth noting is that between the affidavit and the testimony, Whaley gives a different description for Oswald's clothes.
JohnM
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Because he paid a cab fare in order to avoid paying an extra bus fare? This makes no sense.
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I'm not sure you're reading what I've written John, so I'm not sure how to respond.
Paying a cab fare in order to avoid paying an extra bus fare obviously makes no sense, but I've not suggested anything of the sort. There is nothing in what I've written that can be remotely interpreted that way.
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Huh? The scene of the crime was from the Depository to a point on Elm street and Oswald fled the Depository within minutes and was frantically catching buses and cabs.
What exactly was “frantic” about it?
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I'm not sure you're reading what I've written John, so I'm not sure how to respond.
Paying a cab fare in order to avoid paying an extra bus fare obviously makes no sense, but I've not suggested anything of the sort. There is nothing in what I've written that can be remotely interpreted that way.
Did I misunderstand what you meant here?
It can be easily argued that the notoriously tight-fisted Oswald splashed out on a cab because he was determined to use the bus transfer.