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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Robert Doane on September 22, 2019, 12:05:18 PM
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https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10063046-181/smith-to-this-day-ruth?sba=AAS (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10063046-181/smith-to-this-day-ruth?sba=AAS)
https://thetexastheatre.com/film/truth-is-the-only-client-the-official-investigation-of-the-murder-of-john-f-kennedy/ (https://thetexastheatre.com/film/truth-is-the-only-client-the-official-investigation-of-the-murder-of-john-f-kennedy/)
PAINE IS SET to be at the Texas Theatre at 6 p.m. Sunday for the premiere of a documentary, “Truth is the Only Client: The Official Investigation of the Murder of John F. Kennedy.”
The film focuses on surviving attorney/investigators for the Warren Commission, which conducted a yearlong probe into the shooting. It found that Oswald killed JFK and he acted alone, a conclusion since disputed by a whole array of alternate and conspiracy scenarios.
Also featured in the documentary are surviving witnesses to the Warren Commission. Ruth Paine’s testimony was key to the inquiry.
She’s scheduled to answer questions at the theater alongside former Warren Commission attorneys Howard Willens, Burt Griffin and David Slawson, and also Bernie Weismann, who placed in the Dallas Morning News on the morning of the assassination a John Birch Society-affiliated ad critical of Kennedy.
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I wonder if this is a public QA or completely moderated? Otherwise a lot of time would be taken by Ruth asking each person what they think of the General Walker shooting attempt.
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I hope someone shows her this!
(https://i.imgur.com/xEFTOMf.jpg)
:D
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I wonder if this is a public QA or completely moderated? Otherwise a lot of time would be taken by Ruth asking each person what they think of the General Walker shooting attempt.
:D
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What a great time for the CTers to present their evidence to the DPD that she was complicit in the frame up of Oswald. I can't wait to hear the results. Surely they believe their own "evidence" and aren't just dysfunctional types exercising a compulsion disorder on the Internet. This brownie-baking Quaker must be brought to justice!
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I hope someone shows her this!
(https://i.imgur.com/xEFTOMf.jpg)
:D
The way I see this is:....Secret Service agent John Howlett ( who has been shown to be a liar and a false evidence fabricator) on March 15 1964 took two curtain rods to the DPD crime lab and gave them to JC Day, and requested that they be checked for Lee Oswald's finger prints.. Day found one legible print and recorded that the print was not Oswald's ....nine days later Howlett returned to the DPD and retrieved the curtain rods.
WHERE ?? did Howlett get the curtain rods?? It must have been from someplace that Howlett thought Lee Oswald would have handled the curtain rods....
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.....BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. SOMETHING IS MISSING OR OFF.
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Ruth Paine was up to her eyeballs in setting up LHO !
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Ruth Paine was up to her eyeballs in setting up LHO !
Did you attend the event and make a citizen's arrest or inform the DPD of your "evidence"? Surely you are not just someone who spends their time on the Internet espousing baseless and defamatory conspiracy theories. Right? So we await the results.
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Did you attend the event and make a citizen's arrest or inform the DPD of your "evidence"? Surely you are not just someone who spends their time on the Internet espousing baseless and defamatory conspiracy theories. Right? So we await the results.
If true that Ruth Paine was up to her eyeballs setting up LHO, I wonder why the assassination death squad didn't knock her off. She could blow the conspiracy wide open.
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If true that Ruth Paine was up to her eyeballs setting up LHO, I wonder why the assassination death squad didn't knock her off. She could blow the conspiracy wide open.
Maybe they did and she is a Ruth Paine double. Her diaper changing, brownie baking façade was a just cover for a cold blooded master spy. The woman was dynamite. I bet she even knows Kung Fu.
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Ruth Paine was up to her eyeballs in setting up LHO !
I found some exclusive footage of CTers at this event:
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Maybe they did and she is a Ruth Paine double. Her diaper changing, brownie baking façade was a just cover for a cold blooded master spy. The woman was dynamite. I bet she even knows Kung Fu.
Not only that....She probably enjoys chop suey.... Wasn't she born in Harbin China?
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https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10063046-181/smith-to-this-day-ruth?sba=AAS (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10063046-181/smith-to-this-day-ruth?sba=AAS)
Riiiiight. An unsigned, undated note in Russian that doesn’t mention Walker or killing convinced her that Oswald was a killer.
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Riiiiight. An unsigned, undated note in Russian that doesn’t mention Walker or killing convinced her that Oswald was a killer.
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LOL
It's interesting that no one ever brings up the fact that the Oswalds were handed off to Ruth Paine by a guy (George DeMohrenschildt) whom former Angleton CI Staff analyst Clare Edward Petty told Richard Russell (author of The Man Who Knew Too Much) that, according to his analysis of some WW II Venona decrypts, was probably a long-term (since 1938) KGB "illegal".
If Petty was correct, what does that make Russophile Ruth Paine?
-- MWT ;)
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When is the documentary released?
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I wonder what was so important that night that Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested for and needed to leave instructions for Marina on what to do? Not to mention having photos of Walker's home. I guess we are only left to ponder since no explanation is forthcoming. Nothing to see there.
The kind of note that the contrarian thinks Oswald would have left:
Dear Marina -
Don't wait up. I'm off to kill General Walker.
Love,
Lee Harvey Oswald
Of course, if he had left such a note then we would be lectured on how handwriting analysis is not scientific and on and on and on down the rabbit hole. btw: Marina not was convinced that he tried to kill Walker based on the note. It was the fact that Oswald TOLD her that is what he did. LOL. These dishonest contrarians are hilarious. Implying something sinister about Marina concluding from the note that Oswald tried to kill Walker when they know she was TOLD by Oswald that night that he tried to kill Walker. Good grief.
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I wonder what was so important that night that Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested for and needed to leave instructions for Marina on what to do? Not to mention having photos of Walker's home. I guess we are only left to ponder since no explanation is forthcoming. Nothing to see there.
The kind of note that the contrarian thinks Oswald would have left:
Dear Marina -
Don't wait up. I'm off to kill General Walker.
Love,
Lee Harvey Oswald
Of course, if he had left such a note then we would be lectured on how handwriting analysis is not scientific and on and on and on down the rabbit hole. btw: Marina not was convinced that he tried to kill Walker based on the note. It was the fact that Oswald TOLD her that is what he did. LOL. These dishonest contrarians are hilarious. Implying something sinister about Marina concluding from the note that Oswald tried to kill Walker when they know she was TOLD by Oswald that night that he tried to kill Walker. Good grief.
Marina not was convinced that he tried to kill Walker based on the note. It was the fact that Oswald TOLD her that is what he did.
Yes, I believe that Lee did tell Marina that he had tried to shoot Walker.....Because he thought the police would find the rifle that he'd left beneath some brush near Walker's house and the trace that rifle to his address..... When they police came calling he wanted Marina to tell them that he had told her he had attempted to shoot Walker ( who was one of Castro's most vocal foes) He wanted to appear to be exactly what the Back Yard Photo ( CE 133A ) portrayed him to be, in hope that Castro would allow him to enter Cuba.....where he could pick up information for the US government.
However, simply because he told Marina that he had tried to shoot Walker DOES NOT prove that he did...... AND the FACT that he had ample opportunity to shoot Walker by firing more than a single shot indicates that the shooting incident was nothing but a HOAX.
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I wonder what was so important that night that Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested for and needed to leave instructions for Marina on what to do?
How do you know what night that note was written?
Of course, if he had left such a note then we would be lectured on how handwriting analysis is not scientific
Especially when the guys who "analyzed" the note weren't even familiar with the Russian language or the Cyrillic alphabet.
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Marina said -- LOL
Marina said a lot of things (http://iacoletti.org/jfk/marina-contradictions.pdf)
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Marina not was convinced that he tried to kill Walker based on the note. It was the fact that Oswald TOLD her that is what he did.
Yes, I believe that Lee did tell Marina that he had tried to shoot Walker.....Because he thought the police would find the rifle that he'd left beneath some brush near Walker's house and the trace that rifle to his address..... When they police came calling he wanted Marina to tell them that he had told her he had attempted to shoot Walker ( who was one of Castro's most vocal foes) He wanted to appear to be exactly what the Back Yard Photo ( CE 133A ) portrayed him to be, in hope that Castro would allow him to enter Cuba.....where he could pick up information for the US government.
However, simply because he told Marina that he had tried to shoot Walker DOES NOT prove that he did...... AND the FACT that he had ample opportunity to shoot Walker by firing more than a single shot indicates that the shooting incident was nothing but a HOAX.
So you think someone else shot at Walker but Oswald knew about it because he was part of a plot designed to him into Cuba? But they never link Oswald to the crime during his lifetime! The entire purpose of this charade. LOL. There is no plausible need for the JFK conspirators to link Oswald to yet another assassination attempt. The evidence of his guilt was sufficient in that case without that risky and unnecessary undertaking. I give you some credit for being brighter than some of your associates who have to attribute everything as the product of the lies but that is still far out kookiness.
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Pick a night - any night - from the relevant time period and explain what Oswald was doing that was so dangerous that he needed a note explaining to Marina what to do in the event he was arrested or killed. Get back to us.
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How do you even know what "time period" that note was written in? Or who wrote it.
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The evidence of his guilt was sufficient in that case
LOL
"Richard"'s sufficient evidence:
- Marina claimed he admitted doing it
- An unsigned, undated note in Russian that doesn't mention Walker or killing was found in a book 8 months later
- A steel-jacketed bullet was really a copper-jacketed bullet
- There were some photos of Walker's house in Paine's garage
Did I miss anything?
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So you think someone else shot at Walker but Oswald knew about it because he was part of a plot designed to him into Cuba? But they never link Oswald to the crime during his lifetime! The entire purpose of this charade. LOL. There is no plausible need for the JFK conspirators to link Oswald to yet another assassination attempt. The evidence of his guilt was sufficient in that case without that risky and unnecessary undertaking. I give you some credit for being brighter than some of your associates who have to attribute everything as the product of the lies but that is still far out kookiness.
So you think someone else shot at Walker but Oswald knew about it because he was part of a plot designed to him into Cuba?
No, I believe that Lee fired the bullet through Walker's window....Not AT Walker.... If he had intended to hit Walker he could easily have fired a couple more rounds..(I would remind you that the LNer's believe he fired THREE rounds at JFK)
But they never link Oswald to the crime during his lifetime!
That's correct....The cops who investigated the Walker incident felt that the incident was some kind of publicity stunt ( a hoax) and didn't take the incident seriously...IOW... They merely went through the motions to placate Walker. Thus, they never discovered the rifle that Lee had left for them to find. ( He thought the police would use tracking dogs)
I give you some credit for being brighter than some of your associates who have to attribute everything as the product of the lies but that is still far out kookiness.
My associates?? Not many folks share my conclusions.... But then not many have studied the case for as long as I have.....I initially believed the official tale....But as I studied I learned that the official tale was a fairy tale. It's so blatantly obvious to me that Lee Oswald was set up because he was suckered into helping the conspirators ( who thought of JFK as a communist puppet, themselves as true patriots ) frame him by leading him to believe that they were helping him in his mission to infiltrate Castro's bastion. He thought they were legitimate government agents ....
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No, I believe that Lee fired the bullet through Walker's window....Not AT Walker.... If he had intended to hit Walker he could easily have fired a couple more rounds..(I would remind you that the LNer's believe he fired THREE rounds at JFK)
He had to save his other 4 bullets for the JFK motorcade. :D
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He had to save his other 4 bullets for the JFK motorcade. :D
Now yer thinking like Mr "Smith"..... Suggesting that the arch villain Lee Harrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Booo Hiss ) was already planning the murder of the Pres in April of 63...even though JFK himself didn't know that he'd be anywhere near Texas in November.....
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Sorry, I was just channeling Strawman "Smith"'s process of epistemology.
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How do you know what night that note was written?
Especially when the guys who "analyzed" the note weren't even familiar with the Russian language or the Cyrillic alphabet.
Tell us why one has to know a particular language or alphabet when comparing shapes, spacing similarities, etc...
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https://aarclibrary.org/the-jfk-case-the-twelve-who-built-the-oswald-legend-part-11-the-paines-carry-the-weight/
THE JFK CASE: THE TWELVE WHO BUILT THE OSWALD LEGEND (Part 11: The Paines Carry the Weight)
by Bill Simpich (Originally published 12/21/2014)
...Who is Ruth Paine, formerly married to Michael? Like Michael, Ruth Hyde Paine s an avowed pacifist. Her parents were Unitarians, and her mother was a minister. She joined the Quakers in 1951. Ruth became active with the East-West Contacts Committee through the Quakers, a society of pen pal correspondence with the Soviet Union that led her to the study of Russian in 1955. [xxvi] Ruth’s activity with the East-West Contacts Committee led her to organize a 2500 mile walk in 1957 by five Americans and three Russians. This included working with the Committee of Soviet Youth Organizations. [xxvii]
Ruth also worked on an American-Russian student exchange organized by this committee in 1958, taking an active role in making the travel arrangements for the Russian visitors. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10869&relPageId=10
The Paines told the Warren Commission that Ruth was a prominent committee member, but never addressed who was Ruth’s contact with the State Department to get the travel arrangements done.
I think she had such a contact, and the contact’s probable identity tells us a lot. The Director of East-West Contacts within the State Department, Frederick Merrill, stated his approval of this 1958 exchange. [xxviii] Merrill worked with the Free Europe Committee, which funded Radio Free Europe and other projects to ensure the flow of funds to Soviet exile groups. [xxix] Michael Paine allowed that Ruth may have written the State Department to set up this exchange. [xxx] The next year, Merrill informed the chief of CIA East-West Contacts that the Rand Corporation was asking the State Department about Robert Webster’s whereabouts when he defected to the Soviet Union. [xxxi] Oswald was to follow in Webster’s footsteps just days later.
(Frederick Merrill's father was appointed by Webster's employers H. James Rand's father as president of Remington Rand:
https://www.periodpaper.com/products/1930-ad-mohawk-carpet-mills-w-f-merrill-remington-rand-original-advertising-057091-f3a-522
and,
(http://jfkforum.com/images/RuthPaineMerrillRandRussia1930.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/RuthPaineRandWebster.jpg)
Link (https://books.google.com/books?id=pJ5MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=frederick+t+merrill+rand&source=bl&ots=LeBPEL6HB_&sig=ACfU3U0ZybdnCakl_nwSsVSMozUGPRg8yw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjykZHWm-3kAhUMJt8KHadyD8EQ6AEwBXoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20t%20merrill%20rand&f=false)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/RuthPaineMerrillRandObit1932.jpg) )
While Ruth attended Russian classes for seven weeks during the summer of 1959 at Middlebury College in Vermont, Michael landed his classified job at Bell Helicopter in Irving, Texas. Curiously, sources differ on whether it was during January or July 1959. [xxxii] This should have set off alarm bells throughout the intelligence agencies.
When investigating Priscilla Johnson in 1958, CIA security focused on Johnson’s study of Russian at Middlebury College in Vermont during the summers of 1948 and 1950: “The Russian Language Summer School at Middlebury College is staffed almost entirely by teachers from the American-Russian Institute which has been cited by the Attorney General under E.O. 10450.”[xxxiii].....
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Fake bullet
The bullet used and pictured on the TV, byA116 US Senate G. Robert Blakey Committee on Assassinations is a ridiculous substitute -for a bullet completely mutilated by such obstruction, baring no resemblance to any unfired bullet in shape or form. saw the hunk of lead, picked up by a 'policeman in my house, and I took it from him and I inspected it carefully. There is no mistake. There has been a substitution for the bullet fired by Oswald and taken out of my house.' Lt is requested that you withdraw the substituted bullet from all records and files pertaining to the assassination of John F.' Kennedy and the attempted assassination of Walker, and that you assure the security of the withdrawn bullet for future comparisons. I desire to be informed of'your actions......[Gen Walker]
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Maybe they did and she is a Ruth Paine double. Her diaper changing, brownie baking façade was a just cover for a cold blooded master spy. The woman was dynamite. I bet she even knows Kung Fu.
I heard she was nearly as vicious as Vicki Adams.
-- MWT ;)
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From the HSCA handwriting findings of David Purtell:
“With regard to the Russian writing on items 23, 56, and 57, this examiner is not familiar with this language and the characteristics of the various writing systems used. (64) It is almost impossible to distinguish between class characteristics and individual characteristics unless the writing styles of a language are known.”
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No, I believe that Lee fired the bullet through Walker's window....Not AT Walker.... If he had intended to hit Walker he could easily have fired a couple more rounds..(I would remind you that the LNer's believe he fired THREE rounds at JFK)
Oswald thought he hit him. Hence the scrambling around listening to the radio for the news report. I guess Marina lied about that too.
Anyway when is this documentary out?
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So again no explanation for why Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested on that night or any other night or in the relevant time period. Just the tired old song and dance about the note not being signed or explicitly referencing an intent to kill Walker. Oswald was not writing a confession. He was instructing his wife on what she needed to do should he be arrested or killed. If there were any doubt about why he thought that might be the case, he TOLD Marina what he had done. And the note is not the only piece of evidence. For example, Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home. But we are told there is nothing to see here. It is all the product of lies, fakery and no logical inferences can be drawn. And the alternative narrative for all this evidence is left to our imagination. Very tired and lazy. Like a pro bono defense attorney trying to conjure up false doubt about a client that he knows is stone cold guilty.
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So again no explanation for why Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested on that night or any other night or in the relevant time period.
This is Strawman "Smith's" usual shtick of shifting the burden of proof. His interpretation of the alleged "Walker note" wins unless somebody can prove otherwise.
If there were any doubt about why he thought that might be the case, he TOLD Marina what he had done.
Sure, just like he "told Marina" that he was going to go take a look at Nixon.
And the note is not the only piece of evidence. For example, Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home.
Oswald had it? Really? They found it on Oswald?
But we are told there is nothing to see here. It is all the product of lies, fakery and no logical inferences can be drawn.
Who said anything about lies and fakery, Strawman "Smith"? An unsigned, undated note that says nothing about Walker or killing can be 100% authentic and have nothing to do with Walker or killing.
And the alternative narrative for all this evidence is left to our imagination.
As opposed to your narrative, which is the product of your imagination. Oops, I mean "logical inference".
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Richard Ding-Dong replay.
he TOLD Marina -- LOL
Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home (and a Chevy with the license plate cut out) -- LOL
false doubt -- LOL
Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home (and a Chevy with the license plate cut out)
True, The photos of Walkers house were in the blue notebook ( binder) that Lee had used to compile his false dossier.... But the hole in the photo was created after the photo was in the hands of the authorities.
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Richard Ding-Dong replay.
he TOLD Marina -- LOL
Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home (and a Chevy with the license plate cut out) -- LOL
false doubt -- LOL
Very valuable contribution. So much substance -- LOL.
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Not any less substantive than:
"Marina said"
"Oswald's rifle"
"false doubt"
"fantasy conspirators"
"logical inference"
"common sense"
"no doubt"
"alternative narrative"
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So again long winded deflections but no explanation for why Oswald (or anyone in the Paine household if you prefer) would leave a note in Russian explaining what to do if they were arrested or killed. Not even an attempt. Here we have someone questioning a note found in a book in the Paine residence. Not just some random note found on Mt. Everest. Written in Russian and explaining what to do in the event this person was killed or arrested. We also have Marina's testimony that Oswald TOLD her that he fired the shot at Walker and the note was left by him. This was a small household. Do you think Ruth Paine believed that she might be arrested or killed for baking brownies? And she would write a note in Russian explaining what to do in that contingency? Who in that small household meets the criteria contained in the note? Did Paine or Marina, for example, have personal papers from the "military" that they did not want thrown out? Just ignore and revert back to the lazy argument that it is not a signed confession (which wouldn't satisfy the contrarian either since he doesn't accept handwriting analysis as evidence unless it comes from John Wilkes Booth in which case it proves his guilt). Round and round. It never ends. Then there is additional evidence such as the photo of Walker's home. But there is somehow doubt because it is not signed and dated by the assassin? Wow. I hope that if I ever commit a serious crime that a rube like this is on the jury. Imagine the lunacy of suggesting that Oswald must have signed, dated, and specifically referenced shooting Walker to link the note to that event. The only thing left out is having it notarized by the Pope. That's an embarrassing and intellectually dishonest line of argument.
Bottom line: There were three adults who resided in the Paine residence where the note was found. So which of these three had cause to believe they would be killed or arrested and need to provide instructions for someone else via a note written in Russian? Which of these three had a post office box? Which of these three had cause to tell the person left behind to seek assistance at an "Embassy"? What type of event would precipitate information being included in "newspaper clippings"? Who was paying "house rent"? Who had personal papers from the "military"? The note was found in a book belonging to the Oswalds from Paine's residence. It is written in Russian. LHO is the only person in that household who meets all the criteria contained in the note. There is zero doubt that he wrote it unless you are suggesting it is an outright fake for the purpose of framing him (i.e. product of a conspiracy). And once you accept the obvious conclusion that LHO was the author of the note it begs the question as to what event he was contemplating in advance that might lead to his arrest or death that would be reported in the newspaper. Think real hard and I bet you can come up with one.
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So again long winded deflections but no explanation for why Oswald (or anyone in the Paine household if you prefer) would leave a note in Russian explaining what to do if they were arrested or killed. Not even an attempt.
Because it is stupid. You make the stupidest posts on the internet. Re-read it. What to do if THEY are arrested...Who is they? The Paines? Go back and fix it. Or better yet, just post some pictures of the kids and let it go.
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Do you think Ruth Paine believed that she might be arrested or killed for baking brownies? And she would write a note in Russian explaining what to do in that contingency? Who in that small household meets the criteria contained in the note?
How the hell should I know? You're the one around here who makes up stories and calls it evidence. There is just as much evidence (ie. none) that George deMohrenschildt was the one who wrote the note or took a shot at Walker.
Did Paine or Marina, for example, have personal papers from the "military" that they did not want thrown out? Just ignore and revert back to the lazy argument that it is not a signed confession (which wouldn't satisfy the contrarian either since he doesn't accept handwriting analysis as evidence unless it comes from John Wilkes Booth in which case it proves his guilt).
Wrong again, Strawman "Smith". There was no handwriting "analysis" in the Booth case.
Round and round. It never ends. Then there is additional evidence such as the photo of Walker's home.
Evidence of what? Aggravated picture taking?
But there is somehow doubt because it is not signed and dated by the assassin? Wow. I hope that if I ever commit a serious crime that a rube like this is on the jury.
You better certainly hope that if you are ever accused of a crime, you won't end up with a jury of rubes like yourself who are convinced by lame arguments like "where's your alternative narrative?"
Bottom line: There were three adults who resided in the Paine residence where the note was found.
Wrong again, Strawman "Smith". The alleged "Walker" note (that doesn't mention Walker) was allegedly found by the secret service when they had Marina holed up at Six Flags.
So which of these three had cause to believe they would be killed or arrested and need to provide instructions for someone else via a note written in Russian? Which of these three had a post office box? Which of these three had cause to tell the person left behind to seek assistance at an "Embassy"? What type of event would precipitate information being included in "newspaper clippings"? Who was paying "house rent"? Who had personal papers from the "military"? The note was found in a book belonging to the Oswalds from Paine's residence. It is written in Russian. LHO is the only person in that household who meets all the criteria contained in the note. There is zero doubt that he wrote it unless you are suggesting it is an outright fake for the purpose of framing him (i.e. product of a conspiracy). And once you accept the obvious conclusion that LHO was the author of the note it begs the question as to what event he was contemplating in advance that might lead to his arrest or death that would be reported in the newspaper. Think real hard and I bet you can come up with one.
Is any of this rambling, inaccurate diatribe supposed to prove that Oswald took a shot at Walker, or is that an exercise left to the reader?
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So again long winded deflections but no explanation for why Oswald (or anyone in the Paine household if you prefer) would leave a note in Russian explaining what to do if they were arrested or killed. Not even an attempt. Here we have someone questioning a note found in a book in the Paine residence. Not just some random note found on Mt. Everest. Written in Russian and explaining what to do in the event this person was killed or arrested. We also have Marina's testimony that Oswald TOLD her that he fired the shot at Walker and the note was left by him. This was a small household. Do you think Ruth Paine believed that she might be arrested or killed for baking brownies? And she would write a note in Russian explaining what to do in that contingency? Who in that small household meets the criteria contained in the note? Did Paine or Marina, for example, have personal papers from the "military" that they did not want thrown out? Just ignore and revert back to the lazy argument that it is not a signed confession (which wouldn't satisfy the contrarian either since he doesn't accept handwriting analysis as evidence unless it comes from John Wilkes Booth in which case it proves his guilt). Round and round. It never ends. Then there is additional evidence such as the photo of Walker's home. But there is somehow doubt because it is not signed and dated by the assassin? Wow. I hope that if I ever commit a serious crime that a rube like this is on the jury. Imagine the lunacy of suggesting that Oswald must have signed, dated, and specifically referenced shooting Walker to link the note to that event. The only thing left out is having it notarized by the Pope. That's an embarrassing and intellectually dishonest line of argument.
Bottom line: There were three adults who resided in the Paine residence where the note was found. So which of these three had cause to believe they would be killed or arrested and need to provide instructions for someone else via a note written in Russian? Which of these three had a post office box? Which of these three had cause to tell the person left behind to seek assistance at an "Embassy"? What type of event would precipitate information being included in "newspaper clippings"? Who was paying "house rent"? Who had personal papers from the "military"? The note was found in a book belonging to the Oswalds from Paine's residence. It is written in Russian. LHO is the only person in that household who meets all the criteria contained in the note. There is zero doubt that he wrote it unless you are suggesting it is an outright fake for the purpose of framing him (i.e. product of a conspiracy). And once you accept the obvious conclusion that LHO was the author of the note it begs the question as to what event he was contemplating in advance that might lead to his arrest or death that would be reported in the newspaper. Think real hard and I bet you can come up with one.
no explanation for why Oswald (or anyone in the Paine household if you prefer) would leave a note in Russian explaining what to do if they were arrested or
killed.
Lee intended for that note to alarm Marina who he thought would call Ruth Paine ( who spoke Russian) who in turn would call the police.
Marina was the unwitting trip trigger for the plot ( The hoax at Walker's) Unfortunately, Marina fell asleep, so she never found that note until just minutes before Lee returned to the apartment at about 11:00 pm.
Had Marina found the note earlier the police would have put two plus two together and deduced that the call from the distraught wife was probably connected to the shooting at the Walker residence.....and they would have set off in pursuit of Lee Oswald. And that's exactly what Lee Oswald and De Morhenschildt had hoped would happen.
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Oswald also had a photo of Walker's home
Actually Otto, Oswald's camera you know the same camera that took the backyard photos took more than one photo, in the following photo Walker testified that what we can see in Oswald's photo was the entrance to Walker's back yard, why would Oswald need a photo of Walker's back yard entrance??
(https://i.postimg.cc/NMvrFdh9/ce-2-walker.jpg)
Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a photograph marked Commission Exhibit No. 2 and ask you if you recognize the scene in that picture?
General WALKER. Yes; I identify this picture looking approximately south down the alley, taken from about the entrance of where the alley enters the church, a few steps short of where the alley enters the church parking area. It is facing approximately south. Shows the back entrance to my back yard and the tree and my garbage can and the lattice fence on the west.
Oswald also had a photo of the rear of Walker's residence which showed the window which the bullet was fired through, why would Oswald need to have a photo of the rear of Walker's house?
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVh8XR8n/ce-5-walker.jpg)
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, you indicate that to the very far left of this photograph, Commission Exhibit No. 5, through these bushes there is a window, and that is the window through which the shot was fired, is that correct?
General WALKER. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. That is the window immediately left of the gasmeter there as you look at the picture?
General WALKER. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. You don't have any doubt that that is the back of your house?
General WALKER. None at all. That is the back of the house.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/walker_e.htm
And guess what Otto, we're not finished yet, what is absolutely devastating to Oswald's innocence is the date that Oswald's camera took the photos was defined to be over a weekend about 4 weeks before the shot was taken at Walker, which coincidentally was about the same time which Oswald received his Italian Carcano. Oops!
The third photograph identified by Marina Oswald depicts the entrance to General Walker's driveway from a back alley.720 Also seen in the picture is the fence on which Walker's assailant apparently rested the rifle.721 An examination of certain construction work appearing in the background of this photograph revealed that the picture was taken between March 8 and 12, 1963, and most probably on either March 9 or March 10.722 Oswald purchased the money order for the rifle on March 12, the rifle was shipped on March 20,728 and the shooting occurred on April 10. A photography expert with the FBI was able to determine that, this picture was taken with the Imperial Reflex camera owned by Lee Harvey Oswald.724 (See app. X, p. 596.)
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html
JohnM
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Actually Otto, Oswald's camera you know the same camera that took the backyard photos took more than one photo, in the following photo Walker testified that what we can see in Oswald's photo was the entrance to Walker's back yard, why would Oswald need a photo of Walker's back yard entrance??
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JohnM
You really need to work on your overabundance of shallowness!
Thornley mentor, Clint Bolton had worked for AP in India, Core and Baldwin, India, the two men associated with Core's wife, Pearson and Rosenfield= India.
ALLEN DULLES IN INDIA | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp70-00058r000100130048-4
Approved For Release %W/PB/3%$CIA-RDP70-00058ROO01001 WASTUNCIldft STAX M MNJMTs in India NEW DELHI. India, Sept. 13 ).'1').-A11en W. Dulles ...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CoreBaldwinCalcutta.jpg)
Consider the hosts' names (later, Edwin Walker's landlord), Mr. Core's name, and the address:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/Walker4011StuartArthurJesseCore.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/GarrisonJesseClient041466.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JesseCoreMacWallace.jpg)
Kerry Thornley's NOLA grand jury testimony..."Clint" is Thornley's mentor, Clint Bolton:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CoreThornley.jpg)
Kerry Thornley:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CoreThornleyBoltonSpring1963.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CoreWDSUpickets.jpg)
Harold Weissberg:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/GarrisonShawJesseConnedWeisberg.jpg)
….and more:
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You really need to work on your overabundance of shallowness!
Thornley mentor, Clint Bolton had worked for AP in India, Core and Baldwin, India, the two men associated with Core's wife, Pearson and Rosenfield= India.
And you Tom, really need to work on your presentation because the following abortion is a complete embarrassment! Have a nice day.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZR1dzz3X/wtf.jpg)
JohnM
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Except, you haven't the foggiest why CIA buds and fellow WWII fighter pilots, Baldwin and Core, successive Shaw PR flack hires, were
telling Shaw one thing and Garrison, the exact opposite!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-knckgt3ASNI/Vrd2i7xQ1aI/AAAAAAAACvc/m_y25b9LkuA/s512-Ic42/BaldwinFirstCousinCarpenter.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vuym6rw9doQ/Vrdqs-3WcEI/AAAAAAAACu0/OK-mVPFKpW0/s512-Ic42/BaldwinCousinDonaldCarpenterFootnote.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Man-Million-Fragments-True-Story/dp/0692226419/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
Man of a Million Fragments: The True Story of Clay Shaw (Paperback)
by Donald H. Carpenter
Page 156 –
DiEugenio and Mellen have it wrong. Garrison deceived Mellen and Sklar. I have presented the proof meticulously supporting that conclusion, multiple times.
Baldwin was warning Shaw his prosecution by Garrison was a secret family matter of the Baldwin Ziegler Garrison Lemann family.
Baldwin's CIA buddy, Jesse Core (both hired by Shaw) was urging the opposite...telling Garrison through Willard Robertson, to go on the offensive
against Shaw at the same time Baldwin was advising Shaw of his family ties to Garrison's wife.:
June 30, 1967:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/GarrisonJessCoreVsShawAndBaldwin.jpg)
….and there were three CIA officers in the NOLA domestic contacts office. One was Dorothy Brandao. She went to college in Garrison's home town, Des Moines.
She married once, in 1939, later divorcing. : https://jfkfacts.org/comment-week-21-5/#comment-875347
This is her husband John Miceli's brother, teamed with former Garrison law partner/mentor.:
https://casetext.com/case/standard-fruit-and-steamship-co-v-hampton
STANDARD FRUIT and STEAMSHIP COMPANY, Appellant, v. … Deutsch, Kerrigan Stiles, New Orleans, La., Eberhard P. Deutsch, Augusto P. Miceli,…..
https://jfkfacts.org/hardway-declaration-cia-stonewalled-jfk-investigation/#comment-880760
Tom S. 2016/06/06 at 10:45 pm
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Beyond the T&C connections to INCA represented by Robertson, Shilstone and Rault, there is at least one other likely connection. In reporting the formation of T&C, James and Wardlaw mention a few additional members, namely Eberhard Deutsch,…. (33) The name of Deutsch jumps out of that list, since he is an attorney whose name appears on the letterhead of the Directors of INCA. (34) Deutsch has been described by Scott… as the General Counsel of Standard Fruit and as “Jim Garrison’s former law partner and political mentor.” (35)..
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April 10, 1963: Oswald tries to shoot General. Walker
https://jfkfacts.org/april-10-1963-oswald-tries-to-shoot-gen-walker/#comment-428729
Tom Scully April 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Mr. McAdams particularly, as well as others who practice such vigorous political partisanship cannot have it both ways. They cannot assert as if it was proven fact Oswald shot at Edwin Walker and the DeMohrenschildts soon met with Oswald and left him and Dallas with awareness of his crime and not demand a frank public accounting today from living persons of their knowledge of what happened just days later. DeMohrenschiltd arrived in New York City and on April 25 met along with Clemard Charles, a CIA associate, Thomas J. Devine. CIA documents inform that after the first meeting DeMohrenschildt was clearly the priority of interest of Devine and his CIA superior, C. Frank Stone III. Three subsequent meetings or encounters between DeMohrenschildt and Devine were described in CIA documents by May 19,1963. Last fall I discovered Devine had attended Rochester, NY area Allendale-Columbia school from grades K-12 and that his father Adrian was that school board’s chairman. There were 20 in Devine’s class and newspapers of the time reported that Peter Dryer was one of them. When I questioned Joan Mellen about this, she shared that Dryer’s brother Joseph told her that Devine had been his best friend in Rochester. I documented it here.:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,10424.msg303387.html#msg303387
This same individual, Joseph F. Dryer, Jr. also met with DeMohrenschildt and Charles on April 25, the same days as the pair’s first meeting with the Thomas J.Devine. It would seem consistent for Mr. McAams to use his pulpit and any other influence he could exert to call for Mr. Bush to ask Devine and Joseph Dryer what the two friends discussed with DeMohrenschildt on April 25, 1963, so soon after DeMohrenschildt allegedly learned of Oswald’s alleged crime against Walker. Especially if I held McAdams’s convictions of Oswald’s guilt and DeMohrenschildt’s knowledge, I would thirst for an accounting from Devine and Dryer in order to be able to judge whether the timing of these two Rochester friends was simply an amazing coincidence or co-ordinated and for what reasons, and whether DeMohrenschildt spoke to either of Oswald or of Walker. Devine and Dryer need to explain what they communicated about those meetings, following the JFK assassination, and to whom they communicated it to.
The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global ...
https://books.google.com › books (https://books.google.com/books?id=jRvdwoKQOgQC&pg=PA311&lpg=PA311&dq=bush+china+lias+devine+bemis&source=bl&ots=u8ZxxXKI1z&sig=ACfU3U0-OBjqZYDbNbRFNb7Dc_Z4gXb2Lg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_6sPZ4e_kAhVQxVkKHVszDakQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=bush%20china%20lias%20devine%20bemis&f=false)
Jeffrey A. Engel - 2011 - History
Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.5 All I know now is to do the best job one can here. There is no ...
Billy Joe Lord describes "Bemis" to President Carter:
…...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/BillyLordLetterDescriptionCrop.jpg)
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Henry Hurt, fresh outta Kennebunkport, Pop. 3,000, summer home of Bush 'n Bemiss, marrying Bemiss's cousin, Freeport Sulphur President, Langbourne Williams's
niece!:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/HenryHurtKennebunkport.jpg)
Busy "Loan Nut" backstory? Did DeMohrenschildt inform Devine, in NYC, just two weeks after the Walker shooting, of anything related to his and his wife's
knowledge of Oswald and his rifle?
(http://jfkforum.com/images/MellenDryer.jpg)
Support for my acquaintance with author Joan Mellen, credits page of her book, "Our Man in Haiti":
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JoanMellenHaitiCreditsPage.jpg)
Clumsy CIA "insertion" of Dryer, Jr. by Cogswell's aunt.:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55062&relPageId=54&
Cogswell was associated with Veciana and fellow Scarsdale, NY resident and Phillips Exeter schoolmate, Richard Ober.
Page 1: Ober's brother's wedding.:
http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellGuestAtNathanOber1950Wed1of2.jpg
Page 2:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellGuestAtNathanOber1950Wed2of2.jpg)
Cogswell was involved in anti Castro fundraising with Empire Trust's Dean Mathey "wunderkind" Leslie Rice. Mathey, Empire president Henry Brunie, best man of John McCloy, played tennis together.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellLeslieRiceGodoy1961.jpg)
Interlock: Art, Conspiracy, and the Shadow Worlds of Mark Lombardi
By Patricia Goldstone LINK (https://books.google.com/books?id=w1a1CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&lpg=PT112&dq=%22bush+would+be+involved+in+attempts+to+rescue+lehman%22&source=bl&ots=TzJwBC5VR9&sig=ACfU3U2V3gvo13Y_C8eCobovdjczgTQs-g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiZsIff7O_kAhUQS60KHdOSDq8Q6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22bush%20would%20be%20involved%20in%20attempts%20to%20rescue%20lehman%22&f=false)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellRiceMathey_1of2.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellRiceMathey_2of2.jpg)
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Oswald's camera -- LOL
Oswald received his Italian Carcano -- LOL
the rifle was shipped on March 20 -- LOL
Exhibit 5 trunk blowout -- LOL
JohnM, you're deadly!
(https://i.postimg.cc/4N76k0V6/tenor.gif)
JohnM
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Billy Joe Lord describes "Bemis" to President Carter:
Henry Hurt, fresh outta Kennebunkport, Pop. 3,000, summer home of Bush 'n Bemiss, marrying Bemiss's cousin, Freeport Sulphur President, Langbourne Williams's
niece!:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/HenryHurtKennebunkport.jpg)
Busy "Loan Nut" backstory? Did DeMohrenschildt inform Devine, in NYC, just two weeks after the Walker shooting, of anything related to his and his wife's
knowledge of Oswald and his rifle?
(http://jfkforum.com/images/MellenDryer.jpg)
Support for my acquaintance with author Joan Mellen, credits page of her book, "Our Man in Haiti":
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JoanMellenHaitiCreditsPage.jpg)
Clumsy CIA "insertion" of Dryer, Jr. by Cogswell's aunt.:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55062&relPageId=54&
Cogswell was associated with Veciana and fellow Scarsdale, NY resident and Phillips Exeter schoolmate, Richard Ober.
Page 1: Ober's brother's wedding.:
http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellGuestAtNathanOber1950Wed1of2.jpg
Page 2:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellGuestAtNathanOber1950Wed2of2.jpg)
Cogswell was involved in anti Castro fundraising with Empire Trust's Dean Mathey "wunderkind" Leslie Rice. Mathey, Empire president Henry Brunie, best man of John McCloy, played tennis together.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellLeslieRiceGodoy1961.jpg)
Interlock: Art, Conspiracy, and the Shadow Worlds of Mark Lombardi
By Patricia Goldstone LINK (https://books.google.com/books?id=w1a1CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&lpg=PT112&dq=%22bush+would+be+involved+in+attempts+to+rescue+lehman%22&source=bl&ots=TzJwBC5VR9&sig=ACfU3U2V3gvo13Y_C8eCobovdjczgTQs-g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiZsIff7O_kAhUQS60KHdOSDq8Q6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22bush%20would%20be%20involved%20in%20attempts%20to%20rescue%20lehman%22&f=false)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellRiceMathey_1of2.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/CogswellRiceMathey_2of2.jpg)
Thanks for gathering all this (again), Tom. The Not-So-Jolly Green Giant swings both ways, oui?
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Faked Oswalds camera, faked the photos, faked the rifle, faked the bullet, faked the lineup, Marina lied and so on. A huge huge amount of work with nothing left to chance.
Yet the real important bit, silencing Oswald, they left up to some guy with a handgun who shot Oswald in the stomach.
Doesn't add up.
"They" are either totally efficient or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
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Faked Oswalds camera, faked the photos, faked the rifle, faked the bullet, faked the lineup, Marina lied and so on. A huge huge amount of work with nothing left to chance.
Yet the real important bit, silencing Oswald, they left up to some guy with a handgun who shot Oswald in the stomach.
Doesn't add up.
"They" are either totally efficient or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
I believe that you're bit confused..... ( Which is understandable given the fact that there is sooooo much BS disinformation in this case) Hoover knew that he could create the confusion by releasing more information that the public could digest. We can see that right here in this forum everyday.....
The BY photos are an excellent example.....Some are convinced they are fakes, and some are convinced that they are genuine....Until we can agree on the major points we cannot know the truth about what happened in Dealy Plaza that day.
Incidentally ....Ruby intended to shoot Lee Oswald through the vital organs....He succeeded....Even though Lee flinched and tried to avoid being lynched...But the cops who had him in cuffs, prevented him from avoiding the lynching.
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I was in Dallas last weekend for the screening of this film. It was very well done. I was with two other researchers and we picked up Ruth Paine from the airport Friday evening (the 19th). We were Ruth's transportation for the entire weekend, even taking her to the airport Monday morning. In addition to the screening on Sunday night (the 22nd), she also spoke for about an hour and a half at an event hosted by the Irving Public Library. Everywhere Ruth went last weekend, we took her; breakfast, lunch and dinner. I spent almost three days riding around in a van with her. There's no chance in hell that she had anything to do with "setting up" Lee Oswald.
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I was in Dallas last weekend for the screening of this film. It was very well done. I was with two other researchers and we picked up Ruth Paine from the airport Friday evening (the 19th). We were Ruth's transportation for the entire weekend, even taking her to the airport Monday morning. In addition to the screening on Sunday night (the 22nd), she also spoke for about an hour and a half at an event hosted by the Irving Public Library. Everywhere Ruth went last weekend, we took her; breakfast, lunch and dinner. I spent almost three days riding around in a van with her. There's no chance in hell that she had anything to do with "setting up" Lee Oswald.
IOW, you and two other unnamed Ruth Paine "fans" acted as her "body men" and PR flacks? Actual researchers would not seek access to Ms. Paine merely to obtain and preserve a rapport with her (access for the sake of access). Real researchers would exhibit some sense of obligation to history. You do not, and so the following troubling contradictions are preserved for all time. Nice work, unreasonable Bill and the unnamed duo.
Richard, that's just too much common sense for Caprio and Cakebread. You're going to make their heads explode. Be careful.
Thoughtful (students of JFK Assassination controversy capable of wiping their own and who are otherwise reasonable
people) posters do have to admit that, although it is 55 years later and the agency is larger now, MOST have never met
a CIA agent or even a former or current CIA employee.
Bill and Richard, the core problem here is neither of you demonstrate reasonable behavior or level of suspicion
in reaction to the unreasonable....too many spooks in the mix!
Ruth's sister was a CIA employee, sister's husband was a AID (a CIA cloaked agency) employee, the Hyde girls' father
William Avery Hyde was recently considered a useful candidate by the CIA, a college friend of both mom and pop
Hyde, who had roomed in NYC in 1930 with the Hyde couple and their two young daughters was later a CIA analyst
reporting to his supervisor Bruce Solie on his specific contact with Ruth's parents.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PaineHyde1930UScensus.jpg)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=162099&relPageId=1
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PaineFamilyConnectionsSolie.jpg)
Quixotic Joust: Communists and Anti-Communists Meet Under Ground
http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2015/01/hyde-family-and-central-intelligence.html
Nov 10, 2014 - William A. Hyde was in Washington this last week-end, visiting his ... Talbot was reporting to Bruce Solie, of the CIA's Security staff, about a ...
Quixotic Joust: Hyde Family in the CIA and USAID
quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2015/01/hyde-family-and-central-intelligence.html
Jan 5, 2015 - In attempting to determine what role, if any, Ruth Paine's Hyde .... A report by Bruce Solie of the CIA generated on December 5, 1963, stated:
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....and Ruth formed a, and was writing to the State Dept. manager of that sort of intelligence gathering program.:
https://aarclibrary.org/the-jfk-case-the-twelve-who-built-the-oswald-legend-part-11-the-paines-carry-the-weight/
.....Ruth also worked on an American-Russian student exchange organized by this committee in 1958, taking an active role in making the travel arrangements for the Russian visitors. The Paines told the Warren Commission that Ruth was a prominent committee member, but never addressed who was Ruth?s contact with the State Department to get the travel arrangements done.
I think she had such a contact, and the contact?s probable identity tells us a lot. The Director of East-West Contacts within the State Department, Frederick Merrill, stated his approval of this 1958 exchange. [xxviii] Merrill worked with the Free Europe Committee, which funded Radio Free Europe and other projects to ensure the flow of funds to Soviet exile groups. [xxix] Michael Paine allowed that Ruth may have written the State Department to set up this exchange. [xxx] The next year, Merrill informed the chief of CIA East-West Contacts that the Rand Corporation was asking the State Department about Robert Webster?s whereabouts when he defected to the Soviet Union. [xxxi] Oswald was to follow in Webster?s footsteps just days later.
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FREDERICK MERRILL, DIPLOMAT, 69, DEAD - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/12/02/archives/frederick-merrill-diplomat-69-dead.html
Dec 2, 1974 - 1 ?Frederick T. Merrill, who was the State Department's Director of East‐West Contacts from 1956 to 1960 and deputy chief of mission in ...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/paine_m1.htm
..Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know whether your wife engaged in a writing campaign or a pen pal campaign between people in the United States and people in the Soviet Union?
Mr. PAINE - That was another part of this East-West contacts committee's duties or tasks they took upon themselves and I think she was chairman, accepted the chairmanship of that committee.
For a while, it was almost moribund, very inactive.
Mr. DULLES - Which committee was that, the committee to stimulate letters between Russia and the United States?
Mr. PAINE - Yes; to find names and addresses on each side to connect people together.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you yourself ever take part in any activity of that group?
Mr. PAINE - No; I didn't.
Mr. LIEBELER - You spoke of the East-West contacts committee as being active in trying to bring a group of Russians to the United States. Did they engage in any activities other than this attempt to bring Russians to the United States that you know of?
Mr. PAINE - That is the only one I know of, yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did they succeed in bringing some Russians to the United States?
Mr. PAINE - Yes; they did. They brought three Russians, and then the Russians reciprocated by taking a group of Quakers who knew Russian on a tour of Russia.
Mr. LIEBELER - Were you married to Ruth Hyde Paine at the time these Russian people came to the United States under the auspices of the East-West contacts committee?
Mr. PAINE - I might have been; I don't know.
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know whether she actively participated in the program to bring the Russians to the United States?
Mr. PAINE - Well, she participated insofar as going to the meetings. I don't believe she did most of the writing to the State Department and what-not to try to arrange clearances and itineraries and things like that, but she was at the meetings at which those things were discussed.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did she ever discuss them with you in any detail?
Mr. PAINE - We, I would often--I went to several of those meetings myself....
......This is the obit of the father of Robert E.Webster's employer's (H. James Rand's) business partner.:
It seems Jim Rand's father thought highly of the father of Ruth Paine's State Dept. contact that she could
not recall the name of.........
The Diamond of Psi Upsilon - Volume 20, Issue 1 - Page 47
https://books.google.com/books?id=pJ5MAAAAMAAJ (https://books.google.com/books?id=pJ5MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA47&dq="*which+had+previously+absorbed+his+old+company,+the+Library+Bureau.+Two+months+after+joining+the+company,+Mr.+Merrill"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAGoVChMIh6WVlo_dxgIVhD8-Ch2l6QF7#v=onepage&q="*which%20had%20previously%20absorbed%20his%20old%20company%2C%20the%20Library%20Bureau.%20Two%20months%20after%20joining%20the%20company%2C%20Mr.%20Merrill"&f=false) Psi Upsilon - 1933 - Full view - More editions
William Fessenden Merrill 1933....Resigning both positions in June, 1928, he was named vice- president and general manager of Remington Rand, which had previously absorbed his old company, the Library Bureau. .Two months after joining the company, Mr. Merrill was promoted to the presidency of the organization, succeeding James H. Rand, Jr., who became chairman of the board. More than a year ago Brother Merrill retired because of ill health, but retained many directorships until the time of his death. He was a ... He is survived by a widow, a son, Frederick T. Merrill, and a brother, Oliver B. Merrill, Gamma '91. Charles
(http://jfkforum.com/images/RuthPaineMerrillRandRussia1930.jpg)
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Incidentally ....Ruby intended to shoot Lee Oswald through the vital organs....He succeeded....Even though Lee flinched and tried to avoid being lynched...But the cops who had him in cuffs, prevented him from avoiding the lynching.
No assassin ever intends to shoot people in vital stomach organs and even if they did the survival rate is huge.
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No assassin ever intends to shoot people in vital stomach organs and even if they did the survival rate is huge.
Ruby intended to shoot Lee Oswald through the vital organs...
Do some inquiring or research...and Learn what VITAL ORGANS are located in the torso....
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Was Ruth able to visit the Paine House Museum?
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IOW, you and two other unnamed Ruth Paine "fans" acted as her "body men" and PR flacks? Actual researchers would not seek access to Ms. Paine merely to obtain and preserve a rapport with her (access for the sake of access). Real researchers would exhibit some sense of obligation to history. You do not, and so the following troubling contradictions are preserved for all time. Nice work, unreasonable Bill and the unnamed duo.
Thoughtful (students of JFK Assassination controversy capable of wiping their own and who are otherwise reasonable
people) posters do have to admit that, although it is 55 years later and the agency is larger now, MOST have never met
a CIA agent or even a former or current CIA employee.
Bill and Richard, the core problem here is neither of you demonstrate reasonable behavior or level of suspicion
in reaction to the unreasonable....too many spooks in the mix!
Ruth's sister was a CIA employee, sister's husband was a AID (a CIA cloaked agency) employee, the Hyde girls' father
William Avery Hyde was recently considered a useful candidate by the CIA, a college friend of both mom and pop
Hyde, who had roomed in NYC in 1930 with the Hyde couple and their two young daughters was later a CIA analyst
reporting to his supervisor Bruce Solie on his specific contact with Ruth's parents.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PaineHyde1930UScensus.jpg)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=162099&relPageId=1
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PaineFamilyConnectionsSolie.jpg)
....and Ruth formed a, and was writing to the State Dept. manager of that sort of intelligence gathering program.:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/RuthPaineMerrillRandRussia1930.jpg)
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Nice post, Tom. A pity you and Ms. Paine couldn't have a little 'fireside chat' about this and...... that.
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I wonder what was so important that night that Oswald thought he might be killed or arrested for and needed to leave instructions for Marina on what to do? Not to mention having photos of Walker's home. I guess we are only left to ponder since no explanation is forthcoming. Nothing to see there.
The kind of note that the contrarian thinks Oswald would have left:
Dear Marina -
Don't wait up. I'm off to kill General Walker.
Love,
Lee Harvey Oswald
Of course, if he had left such a note then we would be lectured on how handwriting analysis is not scientific and on and on and on down the rabbit hole. btw: Marina not was convinced that he tried to kill Walker based on the note. It was the fact that Oswald TOLD her that is what he did. LOL. These dishonest contrarians are hilarious. Implying something sinister about Marina concluding from the note that Oswald tried to kill Walker when they know she was TOLD by Oswald that night that he tried to kill Walker. Good grief.
In reality he would have written:
Love & punches,
Lee Harvey Occam-Oswald
Hunter of fascists
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Weekly beating was well-deserved I would say for hiding incriminating evidence in a cookbook.
I believe hat there is much more to the tale ( hiding the note) than we know about....Lee had compiled the false dossier in the blue note book. He had intended for that binder to be seen by the police after they tracked him through the purchase of the unusual rifle ( carcano). But the cops never found the carcano where Lee had left it for them to find. Thus they never saw the blue binder....nor did they see the note that Marina had hidden away.
We know that on the evening of 11/22/ 63 Marina apprised Marguerite Oswald of Lee's involvement in the Walker hoax. She told Marg that she still had a photo of Lee holding the rifle and the note that he had left for her on the evening of the Walker incident, which she had hid in a Russian book.. They were at Ruth Paines small house at the time, so there's little doubt that Ruth Paine heard the conversation and she knew about the note.
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None of this “Walker hoax” stuff you made up is a fact.
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Was Ruth able to visit the Paine House Museum?
Yes. She wanted to see it so we took her to the Paine House Museum on Saturday morning.
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The Paine home was purchased in 2009 by city of Irving, was it owned by Paine up until then?
The undelivered brown wrapper that was misaddressed was found in Irving Post Office, was it also postmarked from there? I've read it had incorrect metered postage but from same location?
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The Paine home was purchased in 2009 by city of Irving, was it owned by Paine up until then?
The undelivered brown wrapper that was misaddressed was found in Irving Post Office, was it also postmarked from there? I've read it had incorrect metered postage but from same location?
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Is this being shown on TV/online?
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The Paine home was purchased in 2009 by city of Irving, was it owned by Paine up until then?
The undelivered brown wrapper that was misaddressed was found in Irving Post Office, was it also postmarked from there? I've read it had incorrect metered postage but from same location?
The home was owned and used as rental property by multiple owners over the years. However, the kitchen cabinets and bathroom tile in place today are original to 11/22/63.
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Because it is stupid. You make the stupidest posts on the internet. Re-read it. What to do if THEY are arrested...Who is they? The Paines? Go back and fix it. Or better yet, just post some pictures of the kids and let it go.
Whew. Are you really that dense? "They" is a pronoun that can be used to refer to one person. In this case the author of the Walker note. How about looking it up before embarrassing yourself? Instead of wasting your time with silliness like that highlighting your lack of intelligence how about telling us which adult member of the Paine household had personal "military" papers they didn't want thrown out? Did Ruth or Marina have "military" papers? If you are having difficulty following, ask someone if THEY can help. That is comedy gold. It almost makes me miss Caprio. Almost.
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Heres a couple of recent Ruth Paine interviews in Irving, I havent watched them yet, they look like they could be the same interview from different angles. Any interesting questions asked?
Is the documentary being released online or dvd?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w)
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Heres a couple of recent Ruth Paine interviews in Irving, I havent watched them yet, they look like they could be the same interview from different angles. Any interesting questions asked?
Is the documentary being released online or dvd?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w)
Yes, both depict same speaking engagement. One recorded by a buddy of mine who was with me as we drove Ruth to her various commitments that weekend and the other recorded by representatives of the Irving Library, who run the Ruth Paine House Museum.
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I just finished watching the video, this would have been an interesting event to attend, to listen to a participant to historical events and their experiences. The best question came at the end and I wish Ruth would have gone into more detail.
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The way I see this is:....Secret Service agent John Howlett ( who has been shown to be a liar and a false evidence fabricator) on March 15 1964 took two curtain rods to the DPD crime lab and gave them to JC Day, and requested that they be checked for Lee Oswald's finger prints.. Day found one legible print and recorded that the print was not Oswald's ....nine days later Howlett returned to the DPD and retrieved the curtain rods.
WHERE ?? did Howlett get the curtain rods?? It must have been from someplace that Howlett thought Lee Oswald would have handled the curtain rods....
Exactly, Mr Cakebread---------------> and the conclusion that the curtain rods must have been found in the Depository building is pretty inescapable! Thumb1:
I wonder if Mr Galbraith might weigh in on the rather startling misalignment of dates on this document?:
(https://i.imgur.com/xEFTOMf.jpg)
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Everywhere Ruth went last weekend, we took her; breakfast, lunch and dinner. I spent almost three days riding around in a van with her. There's no chance in hell that she had anything to do with "setting up" Lee Oswald.
The unintended hilarity of this post is off the charts! :D
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Is the documentary being released online or dvd?
Assume it will be released in November?
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Heres a couple of recent Ruth Paine interviews in Irving, I havent watched them yet, they look like they could be the same interview from different angles. Any interesting questions asked?
Is the documentary being released online or dvd?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w)
Notice at the 19:15 point RP is talking about Buell Frazier and asks if Buell Frazier is in the audience .... The camera focuses on Frazier immediately so apparently RP already knew that Buell was in attendance, but she pretends to be happy that he is there.... It's very obvious that Buell Frazier DOES NOT like RP. He does not stand up nor does he smile.
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Heres a couple of recent Ruth Paine interviews in Irving,
What the heck is she chewing?
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We could really do without the propaganda “Fair Play for JFK” captions.
“Incriminating note”. LOL.
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Heres a couple of recent Ruth Paine interviews in Irving, I havent watched them yet, they look like they could be the same interview from different angles. Any interesting questions asked?
Is the documentary being released online or dvd?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_30euc9V4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2isU-zS6w)
I highly recommend listening to Mr Cal Wheeler as he discusses Lee Oswald with RP .....Listen at the 52 + minute mark... Bill Chapman and Richard "Smith" won't like what Cal Wheeler says....
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What the heck is she chewing?
Watch her body language..... At many points in the video, she is lying.
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Exactly, Mr Cakebread---------------> and the conclusion that the curtain rods must have been found in the Depository building is pretty inescapable! Thumb1:
I wonder if Mr Galbraith might weigh in on the rather startling misalignment of dates on this document?:
(https://i.imgur.com/xEFTOMf.jpg)
And also, Mrs Paine should be asked again about having seen Oswalds rolled up blanket in her garage in the month of October 63 and implied in her WC testimony regarding such, that it appeared "flatter" than the rolled blanket she was presented with during her testimony.
Which means, the rifle might have been removed from the blanket and from Paines garage in October 63, and if that was Oswald doing so, then perhaps he had decided the rifle should be with him at his boarding room. After all, USMC combat infantry were trained to sleep with their rifles so maybe Oswald did too.
If so, then that might explain Oswald in hurry to return to his boarding room after leaving TSBD, in realization that if he was being set up, then someone might have stolen his rifle on that Thursday night from his boarding house, while he was staying at the Paines residence with Marina.
Finding his rifle missing, might explain Oswalds hasty departure from his boarding room and his subsequent paranoia if he in fact did shoot Tippet later and then his flight to hide in the Texas Theater all while keeping his revolver rather than discarding it.
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Notice at the 19:15 point RP is talking about Buell Frazier and asks if Buell Frazier is in the audience .... The camera focuses on Frazier immediately so apparently RP already knew that Buell was in attendance, but she pretends to be happy that he is there.... It's very obvious that Buell Frazier DOES NOT like RP. He does not stand up nor does he smile.
That’s because it’s just a still photo of Frazier that was edited in to the video.
Another fail at 20:48. She says that Lee lied in his job application, which the guy who made the video helpfully told her that day.
What was the lie? Just that he didn’t mention the Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall job?
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The unintended hilarity of this post is off the charts! :D
We all have our idea of what's humorous , but after watching RP stand in front of a "dumb appearing" ( lemmings) audience and spew her nonsense it makes me ill.
The faces of her audience reflect the majority of the few Americans who have any interest in the coup d e'tat in Dallas. They nod their heads as if they know the the truth but in reality they know the official fairy tale and they believe RP.
I would point out just a couple of falsehoods that RP stated ..... At the 26:00 point she is talking about Lee loading the personal belongings of the Oswald's into her Station Wagon in New Orleans in mid September of 63. She says that Lee had the rifle in one of the duffel bags..... Apparently she doesn't know that a duffel bag is not long enough to hold a 40 inch long rifle. And the official tale says that the rifle was wrapped in a blanket. Another point where RP stretches the truth occurs at the 28:00 point....She says that very early on the News reports a Reporter says that he saw a "pink cloud" ( brain matter and blood from JFK) There were no such reports on the news just minutes after the shooting.
I watched the entire video, and my impression is that RP is a bit of a busybody whacko.... She is a liar and a story teller.
PS Duffel bags measured 15 inches X 34 inches..... Even if the carcano had been disassembled It would NOT have fit in a duffel bag.
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That’s because it’s just a still photo of Frazier that was edited in to the video.
Another fail at 20:48. She says that Lee lied in his job application, which the guy who made the video helpfully told her that day.
What was the lie?
Yes, I heard her say that too....and her facial continence told the audience that she knew that lee was a liar. Disgusting!
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TSBD application, Lee wrote USMC was his last occupation and reason for leaving was honorable discharge, which he did receive before it being changed. Lee had his weight listed as 150 but I doubt that's what's being called a lie.
Speaking of his discharge, I'd never seen this until recently, I knew Lee wanted discharge reviewed,did not know it had been reviewed.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339674/ (https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339674/)
The third is a letter from D. W. Bowman to Oswald, on July 25, 1963, telling him that his case has been reviewed and no change is warranted.
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TSBD application, Lee wrote USMC was his last occupation and reason for leaving was honorable discharge, which he did receive before it being changed. Lee had his weight listed as 150 but I doubt that's what's being called a lie.
So it wasn’t a lie then. He did receive an honorable discharge.
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Ruth’s talk is peppered with “I didn’t know then, but I later learned”.
Right. Learned from people spinning a narrative...
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So it wasn’t a lie then. He did receive an honorable discharge.
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And the selective service board sent him a draft card in Minsk in Feb 1960 that showed that he was classified as 4 A ..the highest rating for a draft classification.
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There are several questions in the city of Irving’s version of Ruth Paine’s talk that aren’t included in the Dave the insurance guy’s video.
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Notice at the 19:15 point RP is talking about Buell Frazier and asks if Buell Frazier is in the audience .... The camera focuses on Frazier immediately so apparently RP already knew that Buell was in attendance, but she pretends to be happy that he is there.... It's very obvious that Buell Frazier DOES NOT like RP. He does not stand up nor does he smile.
I was there. Ruth had nothing to do with the camera crew filming on behalf of the Irving Library. In other words, for those who need me to explain in more detail, just because a member of the camera crew knew Buell was there did not automatically mean that Ruth knew for sure whether or not Buell was going to attend (until she saw him).
Here is a pic I took of Buell posing with Ruth with his arm around her....
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What the heck is she chewing?
Her voice started to go out so she sucked on a couple of cough drops.
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Hey Bill, where were you sitting?
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Hey Bill, where were you sitting?
I was with Dale Myers, 2nd row, on Ruth's right. In fact, the fellow she talks about who bought her station wagon was part of our group. She looks to her right at him when she mentions it. We were all sitting together.
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I was with Dale Myers, 2nd row, on Ruth's right. In fact, the fellow she talks about who bought her station wagon was part of our group. She looks to her right at him when she mentions it. We were all sitting together.
👍 I thought that looked like Dale Myers!
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👍 I thought that looked like Dale Myers!
Yep, that's him. In fact, he rode with us over to the library from the Ruth Paine House Museum. I'm sitting immediately to his right.
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I was there. Ruth had nothing to do with the camera crew filming on behalf of the Irving Library. In other words, for those who need me to explain in more detail, just because a member of the camera crew knew Buell was there did not automatically mean that Ruth knew for sure whether or not Buell was going to attend (until she saw him).
Here is a pic I took of Buell posing with Ruth with his arm around her....
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Wow Bill, two living legends, it must have been a real buzz! Thanks for the photo.
JohnM
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Ruth’s talk is peppered with “I didn’t know then, but I later learned”.
Right. Learned from people spinning a narrative...
RP has gotten many of her ideas from popular legend.... and she's become a story teller. It's disgusting to hear her spin her tale.
There are many points I would like to debate with her but I doubt that will ever happen. At one point in her story she tells of going to the Oswald's apartment at 214 Neely. She said it was not long after the Walker incident, probably about two weeks . She said it was on a Saturday and when she arrived she found that Lee was preparing to leave town. He had all their luggage packed and was planning to call a taxi to take them to the bus station. He asked Ruth if she would take them to the bus station. Ruth said that she suggested that Marina could come and live with her and Lee could send for her when he had found a job and a place for them to live. The point is she said that Lee's luggage was a duffel bag and some other smaller pieces of luggage ( I know this from accounts I've read about this incident) the point is...Lee had no piece of luggage that was long enough to hold the 40 inch long carcano. So he couldn't have been toting that eight pound rifle ( which he had no use for) --------- Fast forward to September of 63---- Ruth had gone to New Orleans to once again interject herself into, and interfere with the Oswald's lives. She said that she talked Marina into going back to Dallas with her and Lee packed their belongings into her car.... In the video she says that he probably had the rifle in one of the duffel bags..... Really??? He had a 40 inch long rifle in a 34 inch long duffel bag??? I'd like to hear Ruth explain how he performed that feat.
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RP has gotten many of her ideas from popular legend.... and she's become a story teller. It's disgusting to hear her spin her tale.
There are many points I would like to debate with her but I doubt that will ever happen. At one point in her story she tells of going to the Oswald's apartment at 214 Neely. She said it was not long after the Walker incident, probably about two weeks . She said it was on a Saturday and when she arrived she found that Lee was preparing to leave town. He had all their luggage packed and was planning to call a taxi to take them to the bus station. He asked Ruth if she would take them to the bus station. Ruth said that she suggested that Marina could come and live with her and Lee could send for her when he had found a job and a place for them to live. The point is she said that Lee's luggage was a duffel bag and some other smaller pieces of luggage ( I know this from accounts I've read about this incident) the point is...Lee had no piece of luggage that was long enough to hold the 40 inch long carcano. So he couldn't have been toting that eight pound rifle ( which he had no use for) --------- Fast forward to September of 63---- Ruth had gone to New Orleans to once again interject herself into, and interfere with the Oswald's lives. She said that she talked Marina into going back to Dallas with her and Lee packed their belongings into her car.... In the video she says that he probably had the rifle in one of the duffel bags..... Really??? He had a 40 inch long rifle in a 34 inch long duffel bag??? I'd like to hear Ruth explain how he performed that feat.
maybe Oswald had the rifle disassembled and that is why Michael Paine felt what he thought were TWO tent poles?
that is possibly true, but I find it incredible that Mr.Paine moving a strangers duffel bag from his wife's car into his own house garage and feeling something solid like metal poles would not take a look see., but maybe the bag had a lock on it and so Mr Paine was unable to inspect the contents of the bag
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I highly recommend listening to Mr Cal Wheeler as he discusses Lee Oswald with RP .....Listen at the 52 + minute mark... Bill Chapman and Richard "Smith" won't like what Cal Wheeler says....
Mr Wheeler says that he had a conversation with the attorney who visited with Lee Oswald in his jail cell at the DPD headquarters. Wheeler said that the attorney found Lee Oswald to be intelligent, very polite and congenial. Which is exactly what all of the officers who questioned Lee reported ...With the one exception, Of James Hosty, .....who said that Lee accused the FBI of using tactics like the soviets use.
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maybe Oswald had the rifle disassembled and that is why Michael Paine felt what he thought were TWO tent poles?
that is possibly true, but I find it incredible that Mr.Paine moving a strangers duffel bag from his wife's car into his own house garage and feeling something solid like metal poles would not take a look see., but maybe the bag had a lock on it and so Mr Paine was unable to inspect the contents of the bag
Zeon, have you listened to RP on the video? I'm not sure at what point on the vid she says that she visited the Oswald's on Saturday April 24 ( about two weeks after the Walker incident) She found Lee packed and ready to catch a cab to the bus depot to go to New Orleans. She said that "they" ( The police) were still looking for whoever tried to kill Walker.... HOW I repeat HOW could she have known that???....
I think I know.... Recall that George De Morhenschildt had visited the Oswald during the wee hours of the morning of Sunday April 15. I believe that the primary reason for that visit was because George wanted the rifle ( the carcano) that he'd had Lee order from Kleins to be used as a "throw down" gun near Walker's house after the shot through the window. De M wanted his property ( the carcano) before getting outta Dodge. ( He was preparing to leave Dallas to avoid a possible "attempted murder charge because of the plot that he and Lee had cooked up to make it look like Lee had attempted to murder General Walker.) George De M had told Mrs Volshiin a Russian woman who he knew was an FBI informant, was living in Dallas, that Lee Oswald was the scoundrel who had taken the pot shot at General Walker. De M knew that it wouldn't be long before the FBI started tracking them down, and he wanted to be out of the country .
At any rate .....The POINT is:..... Ruth Paine was active in keeping tabs on the White Russians living in Dallas. My guess is Mrs Volshinin told her that Lee was the scoundrel who had shot at Walker ...Thus Ruth Paine who admitted that she spied on the Oswald's and reported her observations to the FBI, decided to pay the Oswald's a visit....And that's when she found them packed and ready to leave town.
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I just finished watching the video, this would have been an interesting event to attend, to listen to a participant to historical events and their experiences. The best question came at the end and I wish Ruth would have gone into more detail.
I believe hat there is much more to the tale ( hiding the note) than we know about....Lee had compiled the false dossier in the blue note book. He had intended for that binder to be seen by the police after they tracked him through the purchase of the unusual rifle ( carcano). But the cops never found the carcano where Lee had left it for them to find. Thus they never saw the blue binder....nor did they see the note that Marina had hidden away.
We know that on the evening of 11/22/ 63 Marina apprised Marguerite Oswald of Lee's involvement in the Walker hoax. She told Marg that she still had a photo of Lee holding the rifle and the note that he had left for her on the evening of the Walker incident, which she had hid in a Russian book.. They were at Ruth Paines small house at the time, so there's little doubt that Ruth Paine heard the conversation and she knew about the note.
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Notice at the 19:15 point RP is talking about Buell Frazier and asks if Buell Frazier is in the audience .... The camera focuses on Frazier immediately so apparently RP already knew that Buell was in attendance, but she pretends to be happy that he is there.... It's very obvious that Buell Frazier DOES NOT like RP. He does not stand up nor does he smile.
At the 50:42 point RP was asked if she saw any indication that Lee was dangerous... She replied that she didn't think he was dangerous.....
And Cal Wheeler said that the ACLU attorney H. Louis Nichols who visited Lee in the jail cell said that he found Lee to be very polite and congenial, and if it hadn't been for all the adverse publicity about Lee Oswald he would never ever had guessed that he was dangerous .
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At the 50:42 point RP was asked if she saw any indication that Lee was dangerous... She replied that she didn't think he was dangerous.....
And Cal Wheeler said that the ACLU attorney H. Louis Nichols who visited Lee in the jail cell said that he found Lee to be very polite and congenial, and if it hadn't been for all the adverse publicity about Lee Oswald he would never ever had guessed that he was dangerous .
There are so many points in RP's tale that I'd like to debate with her.......
Early in the children's Story Time ...... She said that the air was full of talk about assassination and the air of danger for the President permeated the atmosphere ( Not her exact words) But the point is .....She's spewing nonsense. One glance at the photos of the crowds lining the streets of Dallas refutes her statement. If there was danger in the air.....The secret Service would have had the bubble top on the Lincoln....
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I just figured out the two videos were edited differently, the one I watched the last question to Ruth was concerning Michael and his employment with Bell. Ruth talked about that but really didn't answer that question how this employment fit with the type of person that Michael was. I'm just starting up the first video.
Ruth said she didn't believe Lee was dangerous at the time, Michael Paine in his 2013 manuscript wrote Lee at one time stated change could only come through violence and he didn't doubt Lee could kill someone. He also wrote Lee said Kennedy was the best President in his lifetime.