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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Eddie Haymaker on January 03, 2019, 10:52:22 PM
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Yeah he took a shot at walker, fine
then he waited and brooded
I know what I'll do.I'll get a job in a random high building and wait...
It's only a matter of time until someone famous comes by and BLAM
hey hey I'm famous
What an incredible plan
In the history of infamous assassinations there has never been a more
ridiculous murder plan than this
but according to the "official" version this is what happened
Whats that Ruth you have found a job opening in a random high building?
this could be it,my unlikely opportunity
Sure I'll go for an interview
I'll just work like there's nothing up and wait...
I might have to work here for the rest of my life waiting
but It'll be all worth it in the...who? I'm not shooting Roy Orbison? what? the leader of the free world? when? He's coming on FRIDAY?
That's in 2 days time!
How many presidents have ever driven through Dealey plaza before?
ever?
none?
but I am feeling super lucky...
Oh happy days under 5 weeks I had to wait
My work boots aren't even worn in yet
wow I must be the luckiest assassin in history
especially as I can't drive anywhere
My target is coming to me
I couldn't have PLANNED this better!
The Dallas DA says he obviously planned this months in advance
NO - He didn't, but obviously someone has...
It is the timeframe we are considering that is the real problem here
5 weeks? It just turbo charges the odds and it becomes
simply unbelievable
HE was either an "opportunistic killer" or he was setup
what does the evidence suggest to you?
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This is where the evidence has been "crisscrossed" and contradicted itself
the walker evidence vs the opportunistic killer - crisscross
Similar to the WC evidence that LHO was seen at a rifle range near RP's house
on sat the 16th.
He did not go to Irving that weekend so had no access to his rifle
AND he did still not know JFK was driving past the TSBD so why practice?
The JB evidence where he claims he heard a description on radio
of the JD killer. Which did not get broadcast at all.JD was confirmed DOA at @1.50 pm which also contradicts his evidence.another crisscross
crisscross I'l make ya,jump jump
the hatmaker make ya jump,jump
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This is similar to another thread I did
I just reworked this without including RP
which is unnecessary to prove my point
The math still works - It's still a mathematical impossibility
Come on LNers
you really believe this fell into his lap?
You need to come to jesus on this one
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Provide the mathematical formula that proves your assertion.
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It's very simple math, Ross. It about 150,000,000 to 1. Not all that hard to figure out.
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probably about the same as a DNA test
what are the odds?
any mathematicians out there?
Not just a building on the route but a perfect building to shoot from under these perfect conditions. (open top, slow speed, no detail)
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It's very simple math, Ross. It about 150,000,000 to 1. Not all that hard to figure out.
Luck beats everything
Do that math
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luck? luck? come on chappie
you can't be that naive
or that ideologically committed
you can ignore that, yeah I'm going to say it
evidence
To be clear this doesn't eliminate LHO from being a shooter
It just means there was a conspiracy to murder involving 2 or more people
in the planning
It is the timeframe we are considering that is the real problem here
5 weeks? It just turbo charges the odds and it becomes
simply unbelievable
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Yeah he took a shot at walker, fine
then he waited and brooded
I know what I'll do.I'll get a job in a random high building and wait...
It's only a matter of time until someone famous comes by and BLAM
hey hey I'm famous
What an incredible plan
In the history of infamous assassinations there has never been a more
ridiculous murder plan than this
but according to the "official" version this is what happened
Whats that Ruth you have found a job opening in a random high building?
this could be it,my unlikely opportunity
Sure I'll go for an interview
I'll just work like there's nothing up and wait...
I might have to work here for the rest of my life waiting
but It'll be all worth it in the...who? I'm not shooting Roy Orbison? what? the leader of the free world? when? He's coming on FRIDAY?
That's in 2 days time!
How many presidents have ever driven through Dealey plaza before?
ever?
none?
but I am feeling super lucky...
Oh happy days under 5 weeks I had to wait
My work boots aren't even worn in yet
wow I must be the luckiest assassin in history
especially as I can't drive anywhere
My target is coming to me
I couldn't have PLANNED this better!
The Dallas DA says he obviously planned this months in advance
NO - He didn't, but obviously someone has...
It is the timeframe we are considering that is the real problem here
5 weeks? It just turbo charges the odds and it becomes
simply unbelievable
HE was either an "opportunistic killer" or he was setup
what does the evidence suggest to you?
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This is where the evidence has been "crisscrossed" and contradicted itself
the walker evidence vs the opportunistic killer - crisscross
Similar to the WC evidence that LHO was seen at a rifle range near RP's house
on sat the 16th.
He did not go to Irving that weekend so had no access to his rifle
AND he did still not know JFK was driving past the TSBD so why practice?
The JB evidence where he claims he heard a description on radio
of the JD killer. Which did not get broadcast at all.JD was confirmed DOA at @1.50 pm which also contradicts his evidence.another crisscross
crisscross I'l make ya,jump jump
the hatmaker make ya jump,jump
You are looking at it all wrong. JFK while President rode by millions of people in an open limo. He finally ran into a nut who had the chance.
I don't know anyone who claims that Oswald planned this for months.
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You are looking at it all wrong. JFK while President rode by millions of people in an open limo. He finally ran into a nut who had the chance.
I don't know anyone who claims that Oswald planned this for months.
I'm looking at it wrong?
like the zapruder film critics? they say that too, you are looking at it wrong
So out of those millions of people how many do you think were
former marines who denounced their US citizenship then were allowed
back into the country and were under active federal surveillance at the time?
What you are saying is reasonable but ignores the timeline.
If he worked there for a year I couldn't say this
If he worked there for 6 months it would be debatable
If he worked there for 3 months it would be highly suspicious
Under 5 weeks? NO NO NO NO CHANCE.
This is a deliberate placement
The guy said he was a patsy
and was promptly dispatched
A communist in Texas? - someone everybody can hate
Do I have to draw you a picture?
If it walks like a donkey
and neigh's like a donkey
yeah its a donkey alright
It was DA henry wade's initial assessment of the crime that it was planned
months in advance.In a public statement
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You are looking at it all wrong. JFK while President rode by millions of people in an open limo. He finally ran into a nut who had the chance.
Millions of people? ;D
I agree that someone has to win the lottery, but the long odds here refer to JFK running into a lone nut who wanted to kill him and that his killer got a job at the TSBD 3 weeks after the motorcade route was finalized which would take him within 60 feet of his killer via an unorthodox turn onto Elm St. JFK was being served up on a silver platter. Why Oswald didn't take a shot then is the biggest mystery.
I don't know anyone who claims that Oswald planned this for months.
No, but the conspirators did and Oswald was Plan B. Thomas Arthur Vallee was Plan A in Chicago on Nov 2nd, 1963, which got nixed after rumor got out of an assassination attempt.
Oswald got his job Oct 5th, 1963, 3 weeks before the Chicago hit was put in jeopardy when a landlady ratted out 4 hitmen to the SS, who subsequently scrubbed the Chicago mission and went with Plan B in Dallas.
And if all these events were just coincidences, then I'll eat a bug.
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Millions of people? ;D
I agree that someone has to win the lottery, but the long odds here refer to JFK running into a lone nut who wanted to kill him and that his killer got a job at the TSBD 3 weeks after the motorcade route was finalized which would take him within 60 feet of his killer via an unorthodox turn onto Elm St. JFK was being served up on a silver platter. Why Oswald didn't take a shot then is the biggest mystery.
No, but the conspirators did and Oswald was Plan B. Thomas Arthur Vallee was Plan A in Chicago on Nov 2nd, 1963, which got nixed after rumor got out of an assassination attempt.
Oswald got his job Oct 5th, 1963, 3 weeks before the Chicago hit was put in jeopardy when a landlady ratted out 4 hitmen to the SS, who subsequently scrubbed the Chicago mission and went with Plan B in Dallas.
And if all these events were just coincidences, then I'll eat a bug.
Yes JFK rode in motorcades in front of millions of people when he was President. When you ride in a slow moving open limo ( JFK's choice ) you serve yourself up on a silver platter.
It is not a mystery why Oswald did not take the shot then and this has been rehashed over and over again.
So the SS was protecting JFK in Chicago but not in Dallas? Is that your argument? There is no evidence that Vallee threatened to or was going to shoot at JFK. That is one more CK myth.
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October 16, 1963: LHO begins work at the TSBD.
thats UNDER 5 Weeks.
Does he apply for a dozen jobs all along the motorcade route? No
Does he bring his pistol? no
Is ammunition found amongst his belongings at the Payne's? No
Does he have an opportunity to sight his rifle ? No
He is seen at the Sports Drome Rifle Range on the 16th Nov
by Dr Homer Wood and his Son but according to RP and MO
(WC Testimony) He does not travel to Irving that weekend at all
so had no access to the MC
According to the Government's version of events LHO had no idea JFK
was driving near his building until the 19th (Tuesday) at the earliest
Something is rotten in Denmark
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There is no evidence that Vallee threatened to or was going to shoot at JFK. That is one more CK myth.
There's no evidence that Oswald did either.
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Yes JFK rode in motorcades in front of millions of people when he was President. When you ride in a slow moving open limo ( JFK's choice ) you serve yourself up on a silver platter.
It is not a mystery why Oswald did not take the shot then and this has been rehashed over and over again.
So the SS was protecting JFK in Chicago but not in Dallas? Is that your argument? There is no evidence that Vallee threatened to or was going to shoot at JFK. That is one more CK myth.
Not threatening to shoot Kennedy would be the smart move if one was indeed going to make such an attempt.
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It's very simple math, Ross. It about 150,000,000 to 1. Not all that hard to figure out.
I was told when I joined this forum that there wasn't going to be any math. >:(
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I was told when I joined this forum that there wasn't going to be any math. >:(
well played sir LOL
nice to see some humour around here
Surprising nobody has brought up Mr Bugliosi's argument that the visit was planned after
LHO getting the job.
which is really no evidence at all.
Its just a chicken/egg argument
(he may well have been placed there before the trip was arranged.)
then when it was arranged they made sure the motorcade went right by him.
this was no fluke c'mon man
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Yes JFK rode in motorcades in front of millions of people when he was President.
Dallas had a population of less than 1 million in 1963 and JFK's motorcade only traversed a small part of Dallas. That means only thousands of people could have seen him along his motorcade route, not millions.
You need to learn some basic math before posting nonsense.
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It is not a mystery why Oswald did not take the shot then and this has been rehashed over and over again.
Do tell why Oswald didn't take the shot when JFK was stopped 60 feet in front of him. He could have even used his wonky scope and hit pay dirt at that distance.
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So the SS was protecting JFK in Chicago but not in Dallas? Is that your argument? There is no evidence that Vallee threatened to or was going to shoot at JFK. That is one more CK myth.
No, the SS wasn't protecting JFK, they realized the jig was up so they went with Plan B in Dallas.
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well played sir LOL
nice to see some humour around here
Surprising nobody has brought up Mr Bugliosi's argument that the visit was planned after
LHO getting the job.
which is really no evidence at all.
Its just a chicken/egg argument
(he may well have been placed there before the trip was arranged.)
then when it was arranged they made sure the motorcade went right by him.
this was no fluke c'mon man
Surprising nobody has brought up Mr Bugliosi's argument that the visit was planned after LHO getting the job
>>> By Oswald himself. Stop twisting what Bug said.
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JFK?s visit to Dallas was first announced publicly in September 63? prior to Oswald?s bizarre and sudden visit to Mexico City
(plans to visit Dallas in the Fall of 63? began in the White House months earlier).
Details of the Dallas trip were being worked out with local Dallas authorities in early October 63? around the time Oswald returned to Dallas and got a job.
In 1960, JFK?s motorcade passed through Dealey Plaza. Most parades through Dallas used a similar route through Downtown.
Yes, all these events can be coincidental and JFK?s murder a crime of opportunity.
But there?s space for speculation about Conspiracy given that the Dallas trip had been publicized weeks prior.
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"Yes, all these events can be coincidental and JFK?s murder a crime of opportunity."
you have got to be joking
the basic facts I have laid out on this thread
exonerate LHO as being a lone gunman
If he had done this crime
like every infamous assassin in history
he would have proudly proclaimed why and how he did it
he looked confused - he was confused
he was setup by the city of dallas.
who operated out of the TSD
so he was working for the city of dallas
who had advanced knowledge of the route?
the city of dallas
the DPD is run by?
the city of dallas
who ran the city of dallas?
the mayor's office
who was mayor?
Earle Cabell - HUGE JFK fan