Bronson GIFS
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Bronson said that he and his wife arrived in Dealey Plaza at approx 12::15pm and then he climbed on the pedestal and started filming the first film sequence.
I would put the time at approx 12:20pm
The traffic hasn't been blocked off at Elm st yet.
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Darnell GIF
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Muchmore GIFKinney the driver of Queen Mary is under extreme pressure, not only does he have to keep Queen Mary 5 ft from the (by now erratic) JFK limo but now he has the problem of Agent Hill placing himself in that there 5 ft, Hill could slip (leather shoes?), or stumble, or fall off the rear of the limo.
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Nix Film showing the Limo "slow down to a crawl" and then take of at speed as Clint Hill struggles to jump on the back.We know that Ready jumped off Queen Mary.
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Thanks Dan
I believe the other cop is Patrolman "Joe Marshall Smith"
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Darnell GIFWiegman i think.
Wiegman ? As i posted earlier that is a Darnell GIF .Yes, Darnell, Wiegman was earlier.
We know that Ready jumped off Queen Mary.
Landis did too. (Not important.)(Just saying.)
U can see their feet on the tarmac (if u look at freeze frames).
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I don't see Landris doing that. ::)
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I see both of Ready's feet.
I don't see Landris doing that. ::)We can see Ready & his 2 feet on the tarmac.
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I see both of Ready's feet.
We can see Ready & his 2 feet on the tarmac.
And in the top pix we can see Landis' face & his foot/feet.
Or, if that's McIntyre's face then its Landis' foot/feet anyhow.
I think we may be seeing the reflection of bystanders on the chrome running-board of the Queen Mary.In the frames one can see Ready's feet changing pozzy, & Landis' foot/feet look like Ready's albeit visible in only say 2 frames koz Landis is out of frame in the other frames. Landis i think just touched down briefly, whilst Ready was bending down & going for it.
In the area between the wheels, we can't see any of the sunlit street beyond the JFK limousine and it had comparable clearance to the Queen Mary. Maybe the QM was slightly higher, but Ready's "legs" are in the chrome running-board. The Ready "leg" to camera-left doesn't move relative to the QM, and so is a part of the car.
The QM's running-board was catching quite a bit of sun as it went down Elm.
Statement of Special Agent Paul E. Landis, Jr., United States Secret Service, concerning his activities and official duties on November 22, 1963.Nix definitely shows Landis' foot/feet on the tarmac. But his head is high.
I also thought of trying to run and jump on the President's car but did not think I could make it because of the speed at which we were traveling. I decided I had better stay where I was so that I would at least be near the First Lady, to whom I am assigned. I think that it was at this point that I thought, "Faster, Faster, Faster," thinking that we could not get out of the area soon enough. However, I don't have any idea as to how fast we were then moving.
I had drawn my gun, but I am not sure exactly when I did this. I did leave my suit coat unbuttoned all during the motorcade movement, thinking at the time that I could get to my gun faster this way, if I had to.
I glanced towards the President and he still appeared to be fairly upright in his seat, leaning slightly toward Mrs. Kennedy with his head tilted slightly back. I think Mrs. Kennedy had her right arm around the President's shoulders at this time. I also remember Special Agent Clinton Hill attempting to climb onto the back of the President's car.
It was at this moment that I heard a second report and it appeared that the President's head split open with a muffled exploding sound. I can best describe the sound as I heard it, as the sound you would get by shooting a high powered bullet into a five gallon can of water or shooting into a melon. I saw pieces of flesh and blood flying through the air and the President slumped out of sight towards Mrs. Kennedy.
Statement of Special Agent John D. Ready, Special Agent, United States Secret Service
At this time the US Secret Service follow-up car seemed to slow and I heard someone from inside this car say: "he's shot." I left the follow-up car in the direction of the President's car but was recalled by ATSAIC Emory Roberts (Secret Service) as the cars increased their speeds. I got back on the car and seated myself beside Mr. Roberts in the right front seat. The cars proceeded to the hospital several miles distance.
Statement of Special Agent John D. Ready, Special Agent, United States Secret Service
At this time the US Secret Service follow-up car seemed to slow and I heard someone from inside this car say: "he's shot." I left the follow-up car in the direction of the President's car but was recalled by ATSAIC Emory Roberts (Secret Service) as the cars increased their speeds. I got back on the car and seated myself beside Mr. Roberts in the right front seat. The cars proceeded to the hospital several miles distance.
I think we may be seeing the reflection of bystanders on the chrome running-board of the Queen Mary.Yes u are correct there is some kind of reflexion going on, & yes the main "shoe" moves with QM hence it aint a shoe.
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In the area between the wheels, we can't see any of the sunlit street beyond the JFK limousine and it had comparable clearance to the Queen Mary. Maybe the QM was slightly higher, but Ready's "legs" are in the chrome running-board. The Ready "leg" to camera-left doesn't move relative to the QM, and so is a part of the car.
The QM's running-board was catching quite a bit of sun as it went down Elm.
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I think Ready was standing on the running board and was ducking after he heard the head shot. Very sensible, was Ready.U can definitely see a fraction of an inch of Ready's dark shoes on the tarmac, doing what shoes do, ie taking steps.
Thanks, that’s right about what I was thinking. There is a gentleman or two bending over on the sidewalk about where the epilepsy thing reportedly happened. It appears to me that perhaps that is someone picking up their jacket after the ambulance left? I see white shirt sleeves. And covering someone in distress like that is a common thing to do.I’ve always had trouble with visualizing the ambulance scene in Bronson, so decided to stabilize the Sixth Floor Museum’s online Bronson film. It was a surprise for me to see Toni Glover with her blue jacket appearing briefly in later frames of the ambulance huddle. Are they lifting the man to his feet? The ambulance lights are flashing at the right of this video crop. A stranger (possibly, but probably not her mother) in black is sitting on the pedestal where Toni will join her shortly. I can’t remember if Dr. Glover ever included this seizure/ambulance scene in her recollections.
I’ve always had trouble with visualizing the ambulance scene in Bronson, so decided to stabilize the Sixth Floor Museum’s online Bronson film. It was a surprise for me to see Toni Glover with her blue jacket appearing briefly in later frames of the ambulance huddle. Are they lifting the man to his feet? The ambulance lights are flashing at the right of this video crop. Her mother in black is sitting on the pedestal where Toni will join her shortly. I can’t remember if Dr. Glover ever included this seizure/ambulance scene in her recollections.
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I’ve always had trouble with visualizing the ambulance scene in Bronson, so decided to stabilize the Sixth Floor Museum’s online Bronson film. It was a surprise for me to see Toni Glover with her blue jacket appearing briefly in later frames of the ambulance huddle. Are they lifting the man to his feet? The ambulance lights are flashing at the right of this video crop. Her mother in black is sitting on the pedestal where Toni will join her shortly. I can’t remember if Dr. Glover ever included this seizure/ambulance scene in her recollections.
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Is that the Willis family + grandparents in the red box?
Robin and Charles – thank you for those informative replies.
Good catch James!
I can’t remember if Dr. Glover ever included this seizure/ambulance scene in her recollections.
Here is what Dr. Toni Glover said about the incident in her 1999 Sixth Floor Museum Oral History interview:
Now, it’s a block and a half, you know. I just kept running back and forth, and on one of my trips down there, a man fell. And I remember some kind of blood, whether he hit the corner of his head or scratched something or scraped something, and that was alarming to me at that age. But I was also kneeling and touching him and holding his shoulder. And several people were. There was just… and you know, I remember him jerking. I remember him… it being a little frightening. I did know a woman at the time who had fairly severe epilepsy, and I’d seen her have seizures before. So that was my first little diagnosis.
Bob: What you thought probably.
Toni: And I believe a policeman helped at that time, and I remember an ambulance coming to get him—and my fears that the ambulance was going to interfere with the parade, was somehow going to stop it. It wouldn’t come around the corner. But they came and went quickly.
Bob: And so you left the man yourself, as the ambulance was coming up, or…?
She also said that she had never seen a photo of herself at the scene until two weeks before this interview. She actually joined this forum and posted a few times a few years ago. I can imagine that she would be interested in seeing herself at the epileptic scene in Bronson...
Yes that is the Willis family and Grandparents.Thanks Robin. I never connected Marilyn's parents with the two in Bronson's photo.
“Texas Monthly” interview with Rosemary Willis Roach, her sister Linda Willis Pool, and mother Marilyn Willis
https://robinungers.blogspot.com/2021/05/texas-monthly-willis-family-interview.html (https://robinungers.blogspot.com/2021/05/texas-monthly-willis-family-interview.html)
TM: When the gunshots went off, what were you doing? Your kids were running around.
Marilyn: Looking for them. My parents had gone around the end, if you're familiar with Bronson's picture, the jacket on his book. It shows my mother. She's in a white coat with a blue scarf tied around her head. My daddy's following her. They went around the south end of the center of Dealey Plaza. My husband had gone up the sidewalk, and the two kids following him, and I was stuck there in the last window of the pavilion in Dealey Plaza by the reflecting pool. Well, I didn't know where they were, and I set out to find ...the Roaches.
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Robin and Charles – thank you for those informative replies.
So in the Texas Monthly article Marilyn Willis says:
“But there was a woman that took her handkerchief and dipped it in the reflecting pool there and wiped his brow. She really did.”
And the Sixth Floor Museum’s Oral History has Toni stating:
”But I was also kneeling and touching him and holding his shoulder. And several people were.”
It makes me wonder if Marilyn Willis’s woman was Toni Glover.
Charles Bronson Film
Quote:
This weekend story on the existence of a possibly important film on the assassination caused many to wonder what the impact of that film would be.
So far, the impact has been small.
And the man who shot the pictures 15 years ago, Charles Bronson, says the experts will decide how important this film really is.
Tonight, reporters minus cameras will take him behind closed doors to view a copy of the film and the slight enhancement of it that supposedly show movement in the sixth floor window of the School Book Depository just moments before the assassination.
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1153457/m1/?q=jfk&fbclid=IwAR24re8eOUOh6vA829vSXZLaGJfbJR4rhRhaeOcz9-OcgeC4JFWmSFAy9QY (https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1153457/m1/?q=jfk&fbclid=IwAR24re8eOUOh6vA829vSXZLaGJfbJR4rhRhaeOcz9-OcgeC4JFWmSFAy9QY)
Another person that we should be looking for in the Bronson film segment of the epileptic is Howard Brennan. In his book Howard indicated that he was in the area at that time. And his hard hat might make it easier to spot him in the crowd. Of course, Howard also said that he saw LHO in the window shortly after this. So, it seems to me that any movement seen in the window was probably LHO.
Howard Brennan sitting on the wall just to the left of Toni Glover and her motherIn about 20 sec Brennan & the Glovers & Euins will nearly collide at that concrete pillar on the right.
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Darnell GIF
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