JFK Assassination Forum

There was nothing condescending in what I said.

   As Brad Garrett, ("Everybody Loves Raymond"), exclaims in his best Jimmy John's sandwich commercial, "THAT'S A PROBLEM!". You have a lot of knowledge with regard to the JFK Assassination. Why not come down from your high horse and become a Mentor?  "A good deed is its own reward"

You're absolutely right, Richard.

Most of those polled who supposedly believe the assassination was the result of a conspiracy don't know a damn thing about the case at all.  They don't know names like Ruth Paine, J.D. Tippit, Howard Brennan and Buell Frazier.  They only know terms like "grassy knoll' and "magic bullet".

   We have an entire generation just becoming familiar with the JFK Assassination. How about speeding their learning curve and helping to educate them? Condescension achieves absolutely nothing.

Hi Steve, I'm saying there is not a single piece of credible evidence that puts Oswald in the SN around the time of the assassination and plenty of circumstantial evidence that he wasn't.
Oswald was in the building at the time, his behaviour before and after the assassination very strongly suggest he was involved with the assassination in some capacity, the backyard pics are real, and lots more that indicate guilt.
However, multiple eye-witnesses describe the shooter wearing clothes that Oswald didn't wear to work that day and didn't own at the time of the assassination. This fact alone should have alarm bells ringing.
As for the ballistics, the only fragments of bullets that appear to have an acceptable chain of custody are the ones taken from JFK's head. Every other piece of ballistic evidence is tainted - Fritz picking up the shells, Tomlinson discovering a pointed bullet on the stretcher which was swapped for CE399, the sorry saga of the Q9 fragments etc.
I'm surprised you're asking about this as I had to correct you on this very issue in the "Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview" thread [Reply#442]
Oswald leaving the TSBD on the day of the assassination was a massive indication of guilt. When questioned about it he said that he left because of a conversation he had with Bill Shelley after his encounter with Baker in the second floor lunchroom.
Why did he bring Shelley into it when he knew it could so easily be checked out whether that was true or not?
It's important because the only rational explanation is that Oswald viewed Shelley as an accomplice who would back him up.
For anyone interested I go into this in detail in the "3 Minute Lie" thread [Reply#75]

Honestly, I'm not sure how you've interpreted this into what I wrote in the post you are replying to.
Just out of interest, what was it in the post that gave you this impression as I'm totally baffled.

However, multiple eye-witnesses describe the shooter wearing clothes that Oswald didn't wear to work that day and didn't own at the time of the assassination. This fact alone should have alarm bells ringing.

I'll bite.  Who are you referring to and what did they say, re: what the man with the rifle was wearing?

Before you begin, know that Oswald was indeed wearing a white T-shirt under his brown shirt and there is nothing to suggest that he could not have removed the outer brown shirt before the assassination, only to put it back on at some point between the sniper's nest window and the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Hell, my opinion is that Oswald used the brown shirt (the one he was arrested in) to wipe down the rifle of prints as he fled across the sixth floor.  This resulted in microscopic fibers becoming embedded in the crevice between the wooden stock and the metal butt plate which matched test fibers removed from the arrest shirt.  Then, once dropping the rifle into place, Oswald puts on the brown shirt by the time he's seen on the 2nd floor by Baker.

There are polls that indicate that many people believe in bigfoot, ghosts, and UFOs etc.  Do the majority of people believe in all this nonsense or is it just more fun to claim do so?  I think it is mostly the latter.  In addition, 95% of the public doesn't know the first thing about the JFK assassination.  So their opinion is largely based on ignorance of the evidence.  The truth is ultimately determined by the facts and evidence and not by what anyone believes.  And the facts and evidence link Oswald to the JFK and Tippit murders beyond any doubt.  I don't have any bias against a conspiracy conclusion.  I accept that there have been many conspiracies in history including some relating to assassinations (e.g. Lincoln).  Rather, it is the facts and evidence that support the conclusion that Oswald committed these acts.

You're absolutely right, Richard.

Most of those polled who supposedly believe the assassination was the result of a conspiracy don't know a damn thing about the case at all.  They don't know names like Ruth Paine, J.D. Tippit, Howard Brennan and Buell Frazier.  They only know terms like "grassy knoll' and "magic bullet".

Dan, are you saying that there's no *single* piece of credible evidence showing Oswald was the assassin - he was at that window at 12:30 - or that the totality of evidence that's been presented - the physical, circumstantial and eyewitness evidence - is, as a whole, "not credible"? Every single piece - each of it - of the ballistics evidence is tainted? The recovery of the fragments? All of this is not credible, tainted, corrupt?

Hi Steve, I'm saying there is not a single piece of credible evidence that puts Oswald in the SN around the time of the assassination and plenty of circumstantial evidence that he wasn't.
Oswald was in the building at the time, his behaviour before and after the assassination very strongly suggest he was involved with the assassination in some capacity, the backyard pics are real, and lots more that indicate guilt.
However, multiple eye-witnesses describe the shooter wearing clothes that Oswald didn't wear to work that day and didn't own at the time of the assassination. This fact alone should have alarm bells ringing.
As for the ballistics, the only fragments of bullets that appear to have an acceptable chain of custody are the ones taken from JFK's head. Every other piece of ballistic evidence is tainted - Fritz picking up the shells, Tomlinson discovering a pointed bullet on the stretcher which was swapped for CE399, the sorry saga of the Q9 fragments etc.

And one two more: I really don't understand your focus on the Shelley alibi. No one - not a single co-worker - said they saw Oswald after the shooting. Not a single person on the steps, et cetera. Were they all lying?

I'm surprised you're asking about this as I had to correct you on this very issue in the "Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview" thread [Reply#442]
Oswald leaving the TSBD on the day of the assassination was a massive indication of guilt. When questioned about it he said that he left because of a conversation he had with Bill Shelley after his encounter with Baker in the second floor lunchroom.
Why did he bring Shelley into it when he knew it could so easily be checked out whether that was true or not?
It's important because the only rational explanation is that Oswald viewed Shelley as an accomplice who would back him up.
For anyone interested I go into this in detail in the "3 Minute Lie" thread [Reply#75]

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Second: You've suggested, if I read you correctly that  Oswald's defection to the USSR and his pro-Castro activity in New Orleans that summer were actions directed by others? He was under control/orders of someone else? These were not independent acts? Correct?

Honestly, I'm not sure how you've interpreted this into what I wrote in the post you are replying to.
Just out of interest, what was it in the post that gave you this impression as I'm totally baffled.