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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on July 29, 2020, 02:55:50 PM
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Oswald was trained in the M1 which could rapid fire bullets. If Oswald was the assassin, how come he didn't purchase one of these instead?
The M1 is 10 times better than the Carcano
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One reason Oswald might have chosen the Carcano over the M1 is if only the Carcano could take hard-tipped bullets that would go through the limos bubble top roof more easily. A soft nosed bullet would not go through the bubble top as easily.
This is one genuine reason why Oswald might have chosen the Carcano over the M1 even though it is slower to fire bullets. I don't know enough about rifles however to say that the M1 could not take hard-tipped bullets.
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One reason Oswald might have chosen the Carcano over the M1 is if only the Carcano could take hard-tipped bullets that would go through the limos bubble top roof more easily. A soft nosed bullet would not go through the bubble top as easily.
This is one genuine reason why Oswald might have chosen the Carcano over the M1 even though it is slower to fire bullets. I don't know enough about rifles however to say that the M1 could not take hard-tipped bullets.
I don't understand your reasoning. Oswald purchased the rifle in March of 1963. Did he at that time already have a premonition that he one day might have to fire through the bubble top?
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Oswald was trained in the M1 which could rapid fire bullets. If Oswald was the assassin, how come he didn't purchase one of these instead?
The M1 is 10 times better than the Carcano
The reasons why LHO chose the MC is the same reasons why he chose the pistol. He had limited means, and they were cheap surplus weapons from the WW-2 era.
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The whole tale of Oswald as the lone gunman makes no sense. Oswald was highly intelligent. He spoke Russian like a native. He read voraciously. He made it to the second level of photo processing at Jaggars-Stovall. Yet, we are supposed to believe that, instead of just buying a rifle for a cheaper price at a local gun store and leaving no trail but a disputable ID by the gun store worker who sold him the gun--instead of doing this, we're supposed to believe that he ordered a WWII surplus rifle by mail using the fake name Hidell and left a paper trail a mile long back to himself, that he then shot JFK with a fake Hidell ID card in his wallet, that he hid the rifle but left the casings in plain view, that he shot Tippit and again left his casings in plain view (but supposedly "hid" his jacket), and that when he was arrested he still had the fake Hidell ID card on him!
You have to be extremely gullible to buy that tale.
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Oswald was trained in the M1 which could rapid fire bullets. If Oswald was the assassin, how come he didn't purchase one of these instead?
The M1 is 10 times better than the Carcano
Klein's was offering the M1 at the time that Oswald ordered the Carcano. However, the cheapest that they were offering at was $79.95. Oswald opted for the much cheaper Carcano.
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Klein's was offering the M1 at the time that Oswald ordered the Carcano. However, the cheapest that they were offering at was $79.95. Oswald opted for the much cheaper Carcano.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Hknp4M3b/Kleins-M1-vs-Carcano.jpg)
JohnM
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Oswald was trained in the M1 which could rapid fire bullets. If Oswald was the assassin, how come he didn't purchase one of these instead?----The M1 is 10 times better than the Carcano.
According to the Oswald did it believers...The Carcano reigned supreme. One could not have asked for a better weapon. You can fire one with your teeth like Jimi Hendrix and bull's eyed from 300 yards!
Of course no one else ever did it.... but Oswald could [so they say]
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According to the Oswald did it believers...The Carcano reigned supreme. One could not have asked for a better weapon. You can fire one with your teeth like Jimi Hendrix and bull's eyed from 300 yards!
Of course no one else ever did it.... but Oswald could [so they say]
No one says that. And Michael Yardley certainly shot more accurately than Oswald. 16 shots, 16 hits on a moving target the size of a melon. But CTers will still be saying ‘no one else has ever done that’ 100 years from now.
Oswald was trained to hit targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards. When he passed his initial firing tests in 1956, he scored higher than most recruits who passed. And he did so on his first attempt. Most recruits were rated Marksman, the lowest rating. Oswald was rated Sharpshooter, the next highest. In his retest three years later, he still qualified as Marksman on his first attempt, which is what most Marines did in the 1950’s.
The Carcano rifle was perfectly adequate up to 218 yards. The best in the world? No. But perfectly adequate.
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"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand." - Jesse Curry
Fred
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"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand." - Jesse Curry
Fred
That quote wasn't in Curry's book but Curry did write in his book that they were satisfied that there was enough accumulated evidence to warrant the filing of a charge of murder against Lee Harvey Oswald for the death of Police Officer J. D. Tippit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y0CWcj8w/Osw-aldshoot-Tippit-Curry-zpsd3cc2f2b.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SsrMtc6r/Osw-aldshoot-Tippit-Curry2-zps255334be.png)
JohnM
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That quote wasn't in Curry's book but Curry did write in his book that they were satisfied that there was enough accumulated evidence to warrant the filing of a charge of murder against Lee Harvey Oswald for the death of Police Officer J. D. Tippit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y0CWcj8w/Osw-aldshoot-Tippit-Curry-zpsd3cc2f2b.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SsrMtc6r/Osw-aldshoot-Tippit-Curry2-zps255334be.png)
JohnM
“I haven’t committed any acts of violence.” - LHO
You have to be extremely gullible to buy that tale.
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No one says that. Michael Yardley certainly shot more accurately than Oswald. 16 shots, 16 hits on a moving target the size of a melon. But CTers will still be saying ‘no one else has ever done that’ 100 years from now.
Oswald was trained to hit targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards. When he passed his initial firing tests in 1956, he scored higher than most recruits who passed. And he did so on his first attempt. Most recruits were rated Marksman, the lowest rating. Oswald was rated Sharpshooter, the next highest. In his retest three years later, he still qualified as Marksman on his first attempt, which is what most Marines did in the 1950’s.
The Carcano rifle was perfectly adequate up to 218 yards. The best in the world? No. But perfectly adequate.
Stop making stuff up. And BTW I was being fictitious but you are so glued to the lie you don't know the difference. Read this page [but you probably won't] ----
http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/poor.htm
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Stop making stuff up. And BTW I was being fictitious but you are so glued to the lie you don't know the difference. Read this page [but you probably won't] ----
http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/poor.htm
Perhaps he won't but I did. Thanks for posting the link to an interesting article. I think what should be added to the paragraph titled "A Valid "Oswald" Rifle Test" is:
* Before firing, the rifle must be disassembled, carried around in a bag for a bit and then reassembled with a dime.
* The scope must be misaligned so that all shots land above and to the right of the target in the cross-hairs.
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Perhaps he won't but I did. Thanks for posting the link to an interesting article. I think what should be added to the paragraph titled "A Valid "Oswald" Rifle Test" is:
* Before firing, the rifle must be disassembled, carried around in a bag for a bit and then reassembled with a dime.
* The scope must be misaligned so that all shots land above and to the right of the target in the cross-hairs.
I would have a few extra requirements.
• Someone who passed Marine requirements within the last 10 years.
• Someone who has not practiced with any firearm in the last 3 years, except for the following.
• Someone who is allowed to practice with the Carcano they will ultimately be tested with. They can practice working the bolt for several hours, but only get 15 practice shots at a stationary target, like a cardboard box. Then wait at least 3 months after last touching the rifle.
• Have the scope misaligned, but the iron sights available for use.
• Assemble the rifle by tightening the 4 screws with a dime.
• They can adjust a homemade sling to fit them, as Oswald had available to help steady the aim.
• Fire 3 shots at a moving target with the same speed and angles as Dealey Plaza.
Do this with 10 people, each who get one try at the moving target.
If an armored car with GPS guidance is not available, to replicate the speeds and direction of the vehicle, maybe a couple of carts pulled by a cable would do. One such cart won’t do, because it won’t be able to turn to the left, as the limousine did between z160 and z230.
I would guess that a few of them could get one hit within 4 inches of the center of the target, and another within 10 inches. But as a LNer, I would be curious to see a proper if elaborate test.
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“I haven’t committed any acts of violence.” - LHO
You have to be extremely gullible to buy that tale.
What Oswald actually said was "I don't know what dispatches you people have been given, but I emphatically deny these charges".
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Someone who is allowed to practice with the Carcano they will ultimately be tested with. They can practice working the bolt for several hours, but only get 15 practice shots at a stationary target, like a cardboard box. Then wait at least 3 months after last touching the rifle.
Where is the evidence that LHO "practiced" shooting this rifle?
Hint....Marina did not witness any such practice.
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What Oswald actually said was "I don't know what dispatches you people have been given, but I emphatically deny these charges".
The quote I used was from the very end of Mytton’s post (which I quoted). It’s apparently a quote from Curry’s book. But your correction is probably accurate. I’m not interested in arguing about it. Thanks!
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What Oswald actually said was "I don't know what dispatches you people have been given, but I emphatically deny these charges".
Doesn't that statement contradict the notion that Oswald assassinated the President in order to make a name for himself?
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Doesn't that statement contradict the notion that Oswald assassinated the President in order to make a name or himself?
Oswald knew exactly what he was doing, and here almost 57 years later he's still being talked about, will anybody be talking about any of us 57 years after we die?
JohnM
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The whole tale of Oswald as the lone gunman makes no sense. Oswald was highly intelligent. He spoke Russian like a native. He read voraciously. He made it to the second level of photo processing at Jaggars-Stovall. Yet, we are supposed to believe that, instead of just buying a rifle for a cheaper price at a local gun store and leaving no trail but a disputable ID by the gun store worker who sold him the gun--instead of doing this, we're supposed to believe that he ordered a WWII surplus rifle by mail using the fake name Hidell and left a paper trail a mile long back to himself, that he then shot JFK with a fake Hidell ID card in his wallet, that he hid the rifle but left the casings in plain view, that he shot Tippit and again left his casings in plain view (but supposedly "hid" his jacket), and that when he was arrested he still had the fake Hidell ID card on him!
You have to be extremely gullible to buy that tale.
On the contrary. One has to be a devout conspiracy type to believe the alternative. Being highly intelligent, which Oswald wasn’t has little to do with reality. Oswald was smart but he was also a fatalist. He wasn’t a deep thinker. In 1963 Oswald didn’t have two nickels to rub together. Why would he choose to be recognized in a gun or pawn shop? Yes, he read voraciously. What did he read? Spy novels and Ernest Hemingway. Per Robert Oswald, after the USMC, he wanted to live an adventurous life as Hemingway did. Hence, the Russia trip. He’d be a cheap mans James Bond. You complicate a simple story. The actual evidence proves that. Anybody can find conspiracy if they look hard enough. You appear to do exactly that.
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Oswald knew exactly what he was doing, and here almost 57 years later he's still being talked about, will anybody be talking about any of us 57 years after we die?
JohnM
Yep, however I doubt that, if he had survived and was still around, LHO would be able to tolerate the fact that so many people believe that he was incapable of pulling it off alone. His brother Robert stated that he believes LHO would have eventually confessed. Even that wouldn’t convince everyone though.
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Yep, however I doubt that, if he had survived and was still around, LHO would be able to tolerate the fact that so many people believe that he was incapable of pulling it off alone. His brother Robert stated that he believes LHO would have eventually confessed. Even that wouldn’t convince everyone though.
I believe Oswald was waiting for a huge trial to expound his communist/Marxist theories, he previously tried in New Orleans with his leaflets and his radio debates and after this avenue fizzled he simply waited and killing JFK was his next best bet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK5mMHNL/oswald-literature.jpg)
(https://srhistorical.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/photo_hsca_ex_595-oswald-hands-off-cuba.jpg)
JohnM
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Yep, however I doubt that, if he had survived and was still around, LHO would be able to tolerate the fact that so many people believe that he was incapable of pulling it off alone. His brother Robert stated that he believes LHO would have eventually confessed. Even that wouldn’t convince everyone though.
Good posting. And accurate. I spoke with Robert in 1999. He made that exact point. Oswald craved notoriety. Upon arriving back in Ft.Worth from Russia in 1962, he was devastated there was no media at the airport to greet him.
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Good posting. And accurate. I spoke with Robert in 1999. He made that exact point. Oswald craved notoriety. Upon arriving back in Ft.Worth from Russia in 1962, he was devastated there was no media at the airport to greet him.
I managed to find an online archive of Robert Oswald’s book Lee - A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald:
https://ia800904.us.archive.org/31/items/LeeAPortraitOfLeeHarveyOswald/Lee%3B%20A%20Portrait%20of%20Lee%20Harvey%20Oswald.pdf
I have been wanting to read this book for a while now. But it is out of print and I don’t want to pay the exorbitant price they are asking for a print copy of the book.
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Where is the evidence that LHO "practiced" shooting this rifle?
Hint....Marina did not witness any such practice.
I fail to see the answers pile up there.
I believe Oswald was waiting for a huge trial to expound his communist/Marxist theories, he previously tried in New Orleans with his leaflets and his radio debates and after this avenue fizzled he simply waited and killing JFK was his next best bet.
Talk about theories!...You come up with a brand new one every day :D
Wouldn't just shooting the president have been the next bet?
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Talk about theories!...You come up with a brand new one every day :D
Wouldn't just shooting the president have been the next bet?
Fritz was the one of the last people to spend considerable time with Oswald.
Mr. DULLES. Have you any views of your own as to motive from your talks with him? Did you get any clues as to possible motive in assassinating the President?
Mr. FRITZ. I can only tell you what little I know now. I am sure that we have people in Washington here that can tell far more than I can.
Mr. DULLES. Well, you saw the man and the others didn't see the man.
Mr. FRITZ. I got the impression, I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.
(At this point the Chief Justice entered the hearing room.)
Mr. FRITZ. I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing. I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, I think he had--he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that.
Oswald in New Orleans handing out "Hands off Cuba" leaflets
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREIgle_n5Ym3Lqvxrwg9MsOnZBFGg2wBDjTVE5nFQA6LF8x8Q&s)
Oswald's "Fair play for Cuba" membership card where he was also the Chapter President.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vByVsPVC/oswald-fair-play-for-cuba-member.jpg)
Three days before Oswald killed Kennedy, there was this newspaper article in the Dallas Times Herald of Kennedy saying that it would be a happy day if the Castro government was ousted.
(https://i.postimg.cc/V6JFJZ6v/WH-Vol26-0053a.gif)
Oswald's personal possessions had a number of positive Castro literature.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK5mMHNL/oswald-literature.jpg)
A week after the Dallas Herald Times reported that Walker wanted to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba" Oswald ordered his rifle and not long after Oswald took photos of General Walkers house and a little later Oswald tried to kill General Walker.
In February 1963, Walker joined Billy Hargis on an anti-communist tour named "Operation Midnight Ride".[24] In a speech Walker made on March 5, reported in the Dallas Times Herald, he called on the United States military to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."[25] Seven days later, Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a Carcano rifle by mail, using the alias "A. Hidell".[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQ822SnJYZCpzMys89HFCy5YUyGSz8wNb3-gg&usqp=CAU)
Do the Math!
JohnM
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Fritz was the one of the last people to spend considerable time with Oswald.
Mr. DULLES. Have you any views of your own as to motive from your talks with him? Did you get any clues as to possible motive in assassinating the President?
Mr. FRITZ. I can only tell you what little I know now. I am sure that we have people in Washington here that can tell far more than I can.
Mr. DULLES. Well, you saw the man and the others didn't see the man.
Mr. FRITZ. I got the impression, I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.
(At this point the Chief Justice entered the hearing room.)
Mr. FRITZ. I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing. I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, I think he had--he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that.
Oswald in New Orleans handing out "Hands off Cuba" leaflets
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREIgle_n5Ym3Lqvxrwg9MsOnZBFGg2wBDjTVE5nFQA6LF8x8Q&s)
Oswald's "Fair play for Cuba" membership card where he was also the Chapter President.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vByVsPVC/oswald-fair-play-for-cuba-member.jpg)
Three days before Oswald killed Kennedy, there was this newspaper article in the Dallas Times Herald of Kennedy saying that it would be a happy day if the Castro government was ousted.
(https://i.postimg.cc/V6JFJZ6v/WH-Vol26-0053a.gif)
Oswald's personal possessions had a number of positive Castro literature.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK5mMHNL/oswald-literature.jpg)
A week after the Dallas Herald Times reported that Walker wanted to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba" Oswald ordered his rifle and not long after Oswald took photos of General Walkers house and a little later Oswald tried to kill General Walker.
In February 1963, Walker joined Billy Hargis on an anti-communist tour named "Operation Midnight Ride".[24] In a speech Walker made on March 5, reported in the Dallas Times Herald, he called on the United States military to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."[25] Seven days later, Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a Carcano rifle by mail, using the alias "A. Hidell".[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQ822SnJYZCpzMys89HFCy5YUyGSz8wNb3-gg&usqp=CAU)
Do the Math!
JohnM
Great post!
I believe that Castro and Cuba were his main motives. LHO and Marina reportedly fought like cats and dogs quite regularly. So I doubt that her refusal to immediately move back in with him had much bearing on his decision. (Other than perhaps that he wanted to make her feel guilty about it.)
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Great post!
I believe that Castro and Cuba were his main motives. LHO and Marina reportedly fought like cats and dogs quite regularly. So I doubt that her refusal to immediately move back in with him had much bearing on his decision. (Other than perhaps that he wanted to make her feel guilty about it.)
Charles: Like you, I don't believe Oswald suddenly became "apolitical" on the day of the assassination. He was a political person throughout his adult life and he was deeply estranged from America. He repeatedly denounced the US economic and political systems (sometimes correctly such as segregation) and whether he was a "real" Marxist (as he understood the term) he certainly didn't like America.
However, we have the odd lack of planning for the assassination of JFK. In contrast to his planning for Walker. He retrieves his rifle the day before the assassination - he doesn't get it earlier to practice with it. He had four bullets. He gets a rid from Frazier. He keeps $15.
All of this is so sudden, so last second, so spur of the moment. If he had deeper reasons for killing JFK - such as Cuba and Castro (as I think he did) - then why act so last moment? There's little planning involved.
And to be fair to the Oswald defenders and their argument: He got damned lucky. He was able to be alone at just the right time, to have JFK pass right before him. It does "look" like JFK was brought to him. Of course, this also makes any framing of Oswald difficult to believe. How would the framers know where Oswald was at the time of the shooting? How could they know he didn't have an alibi? In order to frame him he can't have an alibi.
The evidence for me is strong that he shot JFK. And the evidence for an alternate explanation is so weak and the explanation so complicated and convoluted as to belie logic. This was faked and that was faked and this was planted and that was planted. Good lord, it's absurd; layer upon layer upon layer of fakery.
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Charles: Like you, I don't believe Oswald suddenly became "apolitical" on the day of the assassination. He was a political person throughout his adult life and he was deeply estranged from America. He repeatedly denounced the US economic and political systems (sometimes correctly such as segregation) and whether he was a "real" Marxist (as he understood the term) he certainly didn't like America.
However, we have the odd lack of planning for the assassination of JFK. In contrast to his planning for Walker. He retrieves his rifle the day before the assassination - he doesn't get it earlier to practice with it. He had four bullets. He gets a rid from Frazier. He keeps $15.
All of this is so sudden, so last second, so spur of the moment. If he had deeper reasons for killing JFK - such as Cuba and Castro (as I think he did) - then why act so last moment? There's little planning involved.
And to be fair to the Oswald defenders and their argument: He got damned lucky. He was able to be alone at just the right time, to have JFK pass right before him. It does "look" like JFK was brought to him. Of course, this also makes any framing of Oswald difficult to believe. How would the framers know where Oswald was at the time of the shooting? How could they know he didn't have an alibi? In order to frame him he can't have an alibi.
The evidence for me is strong that he shot JFK. And the evidence for an alternate explanation is so weak and the explanation so complicated and convoluted as to belie logic. This was faked and that was faked and this was planted and that was planted. Good lord, it's absurd; layer upon layer upon layer of fakery.
In my opinion, the lack of planning was due to a limited time frame. Odds are that he only learned that the motorcade would be passing by the TSBD from the newspaper reports a few days before it did. And I imagine that he planned it all out in the limited hours that he had. It fell into his lap and was just too tempting to resist. He planned well, I think that if someone had remained on the sixth floor, unless they came into the nest behind the boxes he could have remained quiet until the shooting began and probably not been detected.
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In my opinion, the lack of planning.... He planned well
"..the lack of planning.... He planned well"
Seriously?
However, we have the odd lack of planning for the assassination of JFK. In contrast to his planning for Walker. He retrieves his rifle the day before the assassination
If everything was so poorly planned for JFK...Why was it so allegedly successful?
We grew some new theories overnight didn't we :D
Oh I forgot to add...If Oswald planned so well for Walker...Why didn't he get him?
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I managed to find an online archive of Robert Oswald’s book Lee - A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald:
https://ia800904.us.archive.org/31/items/LeeAPortraitOfLeeHarveyOswald/Lee%3B%20A%20Portrait%20of%20Lee%20Harvey%20Oswald.pdf
See page 169 [where the Feds bullied Marina around]
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https://ia800904.us.archive.org/31/items/LeeAPortraitOfLeeHarveyOswald/Lee%3B%20A%20Portrait%20of%20Lee%20Harvey%20Oswald.pdf
She [Marina] would sometimes buy forty or fifty dollars' worth of flowers for Lee's grave at a time, and offer to buy more for me to take out to the cemetery. I would try to convince her that it was unnecessary and even foolish to spend the money that way, but this made little impression. She realized that the flowers would die in a few hours, but she was impulsive about such things, and she wanted to demonstrate her feelings about Lee in this way.
p.178
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See page 169 [where the Feds bullied Marina around]
It is interesting to me to read the accounts of the people who were directly involved with the situation. Robert Oswald appears to be genuine and down to earth. I do believe his account of the "bullying tactics" by the two FBI agents:
From the instant they arrived at the inn, the FBI agents were extremely hostile in their treatment of Marina. Because of their arrogance, Marina refused to cooperate with the FBI agents and after a few minutes she stopped talking to them at all. The agents then decided to use threats. They implied that Marina might not be allowed to remain in the United States -- that she might be forced to return to Russia.
This made me angry. I told one of the agents--one of the pair of agents named Brown--that I didn't think Marina was in any danger of being deported and that I did not like their attempts to intimidate her. He said nothing at that moment, but later he and the other agent called me outside--out of Marina's hearing--and apologized for the effort to use this tactic on her. I wondered at the time what would have happened if Marina had been alone with those agents, who seemed to consider any approach acceptable as long as it offered some promise of success.
I told the two agents that Marina had been very cooperative with the Secret Service men, who had treated her with consideration and had not tried to bully her.
This obviously surprised them. "Have the Secret Service men been questioning Marina?" one of them asked.
This surprised me. I had not realized before just how wide the gulf was between the Secret Service and the FBI. After all, about forty hours had passed since Marina was questioned by the Secret Service, and I would have expected the FBI to have complete reports on that tape-recorded interview and the long tape-recorded interviews with Mother and me. And even if the FBI hadn't received transcripts, did these two agents believe that we had been out there since Sunday night without being questioned at all about Lee?
"Yes," I said. "She's been cooperating completely with the Secret Service, and they have taped interviews with Marina, Mother and me."
They then changed their tactics, and Marina agreed to talk with them...[/i]
On page 179 Robert Oswald writes:
After Lee's arrest, Marina was deeply concerned about her own safety and about the future of Junie and Rachel. Even before the assassination, she had often expressed her fear that the time might come when she would be sent back to Russia. Now she felt that this was far more likely, as her punishment because she was Lee's wife.
Twice I heard her speculate about the way those closest to Lee would have been treated if Lee has assassinated the head of the Russian government rather than the President of the United States. "Robert," she said, "if you and I and the children were in Russia, and something like this happened, we'd all be dead."
LHO reportedly used the same tactic on Marina. This appears to be true and to have had a effect on Marina. Otherwise, why would Robert Oswald say she expressed this fear before the assassination. Robert's opinion of the FBI and their methods is evident throughout the parts of the book that I have read so far. Robert implies that he thought the FBI was suspected by the Secret Service of possible involvement in the assassination. The next section of his book (that I have yet to read) is entitled "Part Four: The investigation--and the Unanswered Questions" so I am looking forward reading to what he wrote.
However, if your are trying to imply that Robert Oswald's account of the bullying tactics is supposed to be evidence of some sinister attempt to make Marina say what they wanted her to say, I point out the parts that I underlined. They apologized and changed their tactics according to Robert Oswald.
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Consider the rifle that was "selected".
It was far removed from any makes or models that were of popular American manufacture.
Were it a Winchester, Remington, or Marlin etc.. it would have placed a stigma on that gun maker---
"Their gun killed the president!"
The Carcano on the other hand, was never a popular hunting or sporting rifle.
I believe it was a deliberate decision by the military complex to utilize a weapon that was of trivial or some otherwise un-celebrated manufacture.
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Consider the rifle that was "selected".
It was far removed from any makes or models that were of popular American manufacture.
Were it a Winchester, Remington, or Marlin etc.. it would have placed a stigma on that gun maker---
"Their gun killed the president!"
The Carcano on the other hand, was never a popular hunting or sporting rifle.
I believe it was a deliberate decision by the military complex to utilize a weapon that was of trivial or some otherwise un-celebrated manufacture.
Interesting. The rifle was made in italy and was old. No company made them anymore. So no one lost money by Oswald tarnishing the carcano brandname.
Trying to prove that the military industrial complex however guided Oswald to commit the assassination is difficult though.
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Interesting. The rifle was made in italy and was old. No company made them anymore. So no one lost money by Oswald tarnishing the carcano brandname. Trying to prove that the military industrial complex however guided Oswald to commit the assassination is difficult though.
After all this time here do you actually still believe that Oswald committed anything?
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After all this time here do you actually still believe that Oswald committed anything?
I don't have any theories as the information is too garbled to make sense of it. I think a new investigation should be established to put all these questions to bed once and for all. There is reason to as there is now more information available in the released ARRB documents.
I doubt anyone has meaningfully read all the 2 million documents released. A new investigation should be tasked with actually reading what was released.