The Parkland Doctors...pretty much agree the autopsy photos of the head are forged.
Dr. McClelland certainly did not believe the autopsy photos had been "forged" (at least as of 1988 at any rate). Instead, McClelland invented a ridiculous theory that has JFK's scalp perfectly intact, but yet the skull right underneath that scalp was blown out:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/head-wounds.html#McClelland
Dr. McClelland certainly did not believe the autopsy photos had been "forged" (at least as of 1988 at any rate). Instead, McClelland invented a ridiculous theory that has JFK's scalp perfectly intact, but yet the skull right underneath that scalp was blown out:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/head-wounds.html#McClelland
The other Doctors also say the autopsy photos have been altered.
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If you subscribe to Paramount+ this is a great documentary on the Assassination. The Parkland Doctors discuss JFK's wounds that day, and pretty much agree the autopsy photos of the head are forged. Back portion of JFK's head completely blown off no scalp to cover it.
The impossible to fake stereoscopic photos prove beyond all doubt that there was NO exit wound on the rear of Kennedy's head.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wBTPLK7W/JFKBOHlatest-700.gif)
The actual exit wound is exactly as shown in the equally impossible to fake unaltered Zapruder film.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tCfWFw2X/JFK-Autopsy-Morph-smaller-more-frames.gif)
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Thomas Evan Robinson
Personal contact info deleted to protect Mr. Robinson's privacy
May 26, 1992 (Phone)
Wounds:
Large gaping hole in back of head.
patched by placing piece of rubber.....over it.
Thinks skull full of Plaster of Paris.
Smaller wound in right temple.
Crescent shped, flapped down (3")
(approx 2) Small sharpnel wounds in face.
Packed with wax.
Wound in back (5 to six inches) below shoulder.
To the right of the back bone.
Adrenlin gland and brain removed.
Other organs removed and then put back.
No swelling or discoloration to face.
(Died instantly)
Dr. Berkley (family physician) came in an ask.....
"How much longer???"
He (Robinson) was told (funeral director)
"Take your time."
Is in favor of exhuming body.....to settle once and....for all.
(Robinson quote) "Good pathologists would know exactly"
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JohnM
Remember this is also fake like the other fake photos John has posted!
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This drawing from Dr. Mccelland looks reasonable from what the Zapruder and Moorman pics show.
I prefer the Professional Observations of 7 Parkland Dr's that saw the head/body of JFK 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot vs Layman's Opinions that are made decades after-the-fact.
Clint Hill said the back of his head....
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This drawing from Dr. Mccelland looks reasonable from what the Zapruder and Moorman pics show.
This drawing from Dr. Mccelland looks reasonable from what the Zapruder and Moorman pics show.
:D :D :D
Yeah buddy, its exactly what the Z-film shows!!
Do you see the difference between these two Z-frames?
Pay close attention to the shape of the top of JFK's head:
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXb8kHsN/z292-2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdjmt102/z330-2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Do you see the massive crater where the top of his head used to be?
Would it help if I used an arrow to point out the massive crater in his head?:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjc86wWX/z328-3.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
And can you guess why the top of his head is missing?
Hi Dan, Again, what are you talking about? You mentioned Jenkins yesterday, and I really had to wonder about you! He is featured prominently in the film describing a small entrance wound at the front side of the president's head that was examined by Dr. Finck but not put in the autopsy report. He then talks about a large exit wound in the right rear. He drew this in his ARRB report! He and Dr. McClelland drew the same basic diagram. I was hoping you and John would have learned something....... Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md65.pdf
This drawing from Dr. Mccelland looks reasonable from what the Zapruder and Moorman pics show.
:D :D :D
Yeah buddy, its exactly what the Z-film shows!!
Do you see the difference between these two Z-frames?
Pay close attention to the shape of the top of JFK's head:
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXb8kHsN/z292-2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdjmt102/z330-2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Do you see the massive crater where the top of his head used to be?
Would it help if I used an arrow to point out the massive crater in his head?:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjc86wWX/z328-3.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
And can you guess why the top of his head is missing?
Your confused. I never said the top of the head wasn't blown out it was, but as my pics show there is a hole exactly where many of the witnesses place it on the upper rear of the head. The autopsy photos and x-rays were doctored there is too much eyewitness testimony the wounds did not match. My opinion they knew it was a conspiracy but lied to prevent a full scale war, which makes perfect sense under the circumstances.
Your confused. I never said the top of the head wasn't blown out it was
You seemed very confused when you posted that McLelland's picture was somehow similar to what was shown in the Z-film. It looks absolutely nothing like what is shown in the Z-film. They are two completely different head wounds. McLelland depicts a blowout in the back of JFK's head, the Z-film shows that the top of JFK's head was blown off and that there was no blowout at the back.
You seem to agree that the top of JFK's head was blown off but you don't seem to have noticed that witnesses like McLelland aren't pointing that out.
You seem confused.
but as my pics show there is a hole exactly where many of the witnesses place it on the upper rear of the head.
The pictures you posted show nothing of the sort. They show absolutely nothing. You have simply put a circle on a picture as if that somehow demonstrates something.
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What, exactly, do you believe the above picture shows? It's too blurred to make out any detail. Here's a better version of the pic I posted elsewhere, can you still see the thing you think you see in the pic you posted?
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y0GLj4J6/Z337headshotredline2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
The autopsy photos and x-rays were doctored there is too much eyewitness testimony the wounds did not match.
The key to understanding why some (not all) witnesses are describing a wound just at the back of JFK's head is revealed in an interview with Jim Jenkins. Below is a post from another thread. For anyone actually interested in this issue the interview is worth checking out.
It boils down to this - what the Parkland Doctors report seeing concerning the head wound is different from what we see in the Z-film.
This seems like an insurmountable issue, it's either one or the other.
I believe these two, seemingly contradictory, positions can actually be reconciled. The key is understanding the exact nature of JFK's head wound.
The above is an interview with Jim Jenkins. He was a student at the Medical Technology School, part of Bethesda Naval Hospital and assisted with the autopsy that took place at Bethesda.
At around the 30 min mark Jenkins is describing the wound to the skull. He uses a replica skull to describe an area where occipital bone and tissue were missing. There was no laceration to the scalp in this area just missing bone and tissue:
"The wound was here, approximately where my finger is [he places his finger on the back right of the skull, next to the occipital bone]...and it extended down here. It was about three and a half inches long...about two inches wide. That was where the missing bone was and the missing tissue was."
He then goes on to describe a much larger injury:
"Remember, all of this portion [of the skull] in this area was fractured to the saggital suture[he indicates nearly the whole right side/top of the skull]...but it wasn't gone, it was still being kept intact by the scalp. The scalp had rents and tears in it [he indicates a line running along the saggital suture on the crown of the skull]...it seemed like some of those tears in the scalp had been surgically connected, little connections to follow the fracture line in here [again he indicates the length of the saggital suture on the crown of the skull]...
When Dr. Humes took the wrappings off the head, there was a secondary wrapping on it that I think was a towel...as he was taking it off this area kind of gapped open [he indicates that the whole top right side of the skull from the saggital suture downwards opened up] but as soon as we separated it from the towel it went back together."
Jenkins is describing an injury in which the whole right upper side of JFK's head comes away but can be put back again. He goes on:
"Now, that's significant for the fact is you could actually...lay this skull open, you could actually take your hands and separate it [he makes a motion with his hand to indicate the side of the skull could be opened up like a small, hinged door]. So, that would have given you access to the brain."
This is the key point about JFK's head wound - it was possible to "lay this skull open", to open up the side of his head and then put it back again. Jenkins is describing the truly massive wound we see in the autopsy pics and the Z-film. Not a localised wound at the back of the head but something that takes up the majority of the upper right side of JFK's head.
And this is why the doctors at Parkland didn't appreciate the full extent of JFK's head wound. They may have saw it but none of them actually examined it as they were busy trying to save his life. What they saw was the side of his head put back in place by Jackie on the way to Parkland but there was no real structural integrity to it, as he was lying on his back the contents of his head oozed out of a gap in the wound towards the rear of his head. Almost everyone at Parkland saw the same thing, matter oozing from a big hole towards the back of JFK's head.
What they did not see was that the whole side of JFK's head could come away to reveal the truly massive wound seen in the autopsy pics and the Z-film.
No need for film alteration.
The Z-film shows the injury Jenkins describes.
The way Jenkins describes the injury allows us to understand why the Parkland doctors appeared to report something different from the photo/film record.
Thanks for that video it pretty much confirms what the parkland doctors saw. So the fatal shot was from the front and the autopsy doctors found the wound. Not really shocking I do think they were afraid of War thus the Cover Up.
With regard to the "forward" head movement, you need to merely permit your eyes to absorb/examine the ENTIRE IMAGE. The gore is attracting/distracting your eyes. JFK's head has that "forward bob' due to Jackie Pulling DOWNWARD On His Arm/Wrist. It's easy to see if you'll get away from your macabre fixation. And don't feel bad, you're Not the only one on this Forum displaying this affliction.
I prefer the Professional Observations of 7 Parkland Dr's that saw the head/body of JFK 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot vs Layman's Opinions that are made decades after-the-fact.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TjpcglbibHHGmr9DZVRLZIFfTnj3RHjF)
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Of course you do! Meanwhile, you ignore what Mrs., Kennedy told Theodore White one week after the assassination-in gory detail-how she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ("his brains") in". By the time the doctors saw the head wound, it had been inadvertantly altered by Mrs. Kennedy who obvilously put the large skull flap hanging from the top of his head inside-out in front of her husband's ear. extending over the temple. Once she did this, the entire head wound wasn't seen by anyone else until the body reached Washington D.C.
Several of you guys are confusing that Trap Door wound in the temple area with a Large Hole in the Back/Rear of JFK's skull. This HOLE in the back of his head is Now being connected to an Entry Wound in the neck/throat. This entry wound in the neck resulting in a blow-out exit wound in the back of JFK's head is rapidly gaining steam as we approach the 60 year anniversary of 11/22/63.
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Thanks for that video it pretty much confirms what the parkland doctors saw
Which of the Parkland doctors saw a head wound that took up virtually the whole upper right side of JFK's skull, from just behind the front hairline to the back of his head?
A wound that could be opened and closed like a hinged door?
Dr. Salyer
So the fatal shot was from the front
Then why, at the moment of impact, is JFK's first movement forward?
He was shot from behind, then front. Bang-Bang
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Not really shocking I do think they were afraid of War thus the Cover Up.
You don't think the cover up was because it wasn't the Russians?
Not at first no
Which of the Parkland doctors saw a head wound that took up virtually the whole upper right side of JFK's skull, from just behind the front hairline to the back of his head?
A wound that could be opened and closed like a hinged door?
Dr. Salyer
I see the infamous Cyril Wecht is also in this documentary, the following example which I don't think is in this doco but it is a good example of the extraordinary lengths Wecht will go to, to perpetuate his "ideas", e.g. equal height of seating, randomly sized occupants, wrong body orientation etc etc.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tCV8qwVM/cyril-wecht-sbt-mess.jpg)
Anyway, in the documentary "What the doctors saw" he shows this silly little cartoon which is wrong in so many ways.
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1) Kennedy's back wound is vertically inset from the right side of his neck but in the above diagram the back wound is almost in his armpit.
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2) The exit wound on Connally was below his right nipple, not out of his shoulder.
3) CE399 struck Connally's wrist not half way down his forearm.
Seriously Cyril, is this what it takes??
JohnM
A rehash of what we already know. About 5 minutes of worthy info padded out with 85 minutes of filler. "It was a sunny day" etc.
Several of you guys are confusing that Trap Door wound in the temple area with a Large Hole in the Back/Rear of JFK's skull. This HOLE in the back of his head is Now being connected to an Entry Wound in the neck/throat. This entry wound in the neck resulting in a blow-out exit wound in the back of JFK's head is rapidly gaining steam as we approach the 60 year anniversary of 11/22/63.
Not a valid %s URL I'm not confusing the "trap door" as you call it w, with anything. That skull flap is connected the top of the head, and this is what Mrs. Kennedy was talking about when she said that she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ('his brains") in". The rest of the top of JFK's head was in fragments that were scattered in Dealey Plaza, as well as inside the limousine. The Harper, Burros, and Seymour Wetzman fragments--all were found some 25 feet ahead of where the limousine was when the fatal shot was fired. The Weitzman fragment was so small that Weitzman thought it was from a "Firecracker". The Burros almost 2 inches in size, and was transported to Washington D.C. in a small Neiman-Marcus box. The Harper fragment most everyone knows the histrory of was about 3 inches in size, and was given to Harper's uncle, who then turned it over to authorities, then kept at the NA in Washington D.C. before it was stolen. The third fragment can be seen in the Zapruder film beginning in frame 314, and following frames ( minus the 7 frames where Zapruder panned too high as it was in flight ) before it came to rest under Nellie Connally's seat. I made this discovery in 2004, and a researcher by the name of Paul Seaton made a (poor) gif of it, which I think is still online. I have since made my own gif which I will include in this post. This fragment is large in size, and either struck Nellie Connally on the back, bounced off her back and and landed on the top portion of the backrest of her jump seat which it landed on, then toppled to the floor of the car, which we can see in the film. It was then found under Nellie Connally's seat by Secret Servive agent Samuel Kinney, whom is on record as having found the skull fragment. and is mentioned in his account to the HSCA . I don't know why you insist that the back of JFK's head was bown off. It isn't true at all. The Zapruder film certainly shows no such thing, Mrs Kennedy's own words of desribing the head wound reveal no such thing, and neither does the Nix or Marie Muchmore films, or the Mary Ann Moorman Krahmer photograph confirm it. In fact, they--as well as the Zapruder film--prove that the back of the head is intact, and that the TOP of the head was blown off, as all skull fragments blown 25 feet AHEAD of the car, plus the fragment we see land on Nellie Connally's that falls to the floor. If the back of the head was blown off, none of these skull fragments would have been located 25 feet away in FRONT of where the car was located at the time of the fatal shot. And they can be celarly seen in the Zapruder film, Nix film and Muchmore film, flying upward and westward, at a speed calculated by John K. Lattimer at around 80 MPH.
Of course you do! Meanwhile, you ignore what Mrs., Kennedy told Theodore White one week after the assassination-in gory detail-how she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ("his brains") in". By the time the doctors saw the head wound, it had been inadvertantly altered by Mrs. Kennedy who obvilously put the large skull flap hanging from the top of his head inside-out in front of her husband's ear. extending over the temple. Once she did this, the entire head wound wasn't seen by anyone else until the body reached Washington D.C.
So 1st you repeatedly throw that Z Film Gore out there, and now you move on to speculating that Jackie re-assembled JFK's head "inside-out"? This is without question Cuckoo Bird material. And ALL of this is after you tell me that you are unable to share YOUR Copy of the Darnell Film because you engaged in some kinda sacred promise with an unidentified individual. OK...........................
BTW...I wonder if anyone ever noticed the sizeable chunk of brain tissue on the passnger side window that wasn't there before the fatal shot? More proof that the only shot to the head came from the rear of the limousine.
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Of course you do! Meanwhile, you ignore what Mrs., Kennedy told Theodore White one week after the assassination-in gory detail-how she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ("his brains") in". By the time the doctors saw the head wound, it had been inadvertantly altered by Mrs. Kennedy who obvilously put the large skull flap hanging from the top of his head inside-out in front of her husband's ear. extending over the temple. Once she did this, the entire head wound wasn't seen by anyone else until the body reached Washington D.C.
For the record. ".......top of his head INSIDE-OUT"
Of course you do! Meanwhile, you ignore what Mrs., Kennedy told Theodore White one week after the assassination-in gory detail-how she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ("his brains") in". By the time the doctors saw the head wound, it had been inadvertantly altered by Mrs. Kennedy who obvilously put the large skull flap hanging from the top of his head inside-out in front of her husband's ear. extending over the temple. Once she did this, the entire head wound wasn't seen by anyone else until the body reached Washington D.C.
Read it and weep. "...it had been inadvertantly ALTERED by Mrs Kennedy .....................
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Seeing the crater yet, Royell?
Of course you do! Meanwhile, you ignore what Mrs., Kennedy told Theodore White one week after the assassination-in gory detail-how she "Kept trying to hold the top of his head down. Maybe I could keep it ("his brains") in". By the time the doctors saw the head wound, it had been inadvertantly altered by Mrs. Kennedy who obvilously put the large skull flap hanging from the top of his head inside-out in front of her husband's ear. extending over the temple. Once she did this, the entire head wound wasn't seen by anyone else until the body reached Washington D.C.
For the record. If you mis-spoke when you said, "By the time the doctors saw the head wound, IT HAD BEEN INADVERTANTLY ALTERED BY MRS KENNEDY..........................", just admit it. You're claiming she put JFK's head back together "inside out" is wild. This woman was in shock and still in shock while at Parkland and then when LBJ trotted her out during his swearing in ceremony aboard AF1. She is not up to reconstructing the head of her husband while knocking around the back seat/floor board of the JFK Limo.
For the record. If you mis-spoke when you said, "By the time the doctors saw the head wound, IT HAD BEEN INADVERTANTLY ALTERED BY MRS KENNEDY..........................", just admit it. You're claiming she put JFK's head back together "inside out" is wild. This woman was in shock and still in shock while at Parkland and then when LBJ trotted her out during his swearing in ceremony aboard AF1. She is not up to reconstructing the head of her husband while knocking around the back seat/floor board of the JFK Limo.
Royell, you have two options.....you can believe the Parkland Doctors and Jim Jenkins who was at the autopsy, or these guys on this message board who are armchair neurosurgeons.
Royell, you have two options.....you can believe the Parkland Doctors and Jim Jenkins who was at the autopsy, or these guys on this message board who are armchair neurosurgeons.
Several of you guys are confusing that Trap Door wound in the temple area with a Large Hole in the Back/Rear of JFK's skull. This HOLE in the back of his head is Now being connected to an Entry Wound in the neck/throat. This entry wound in the neck resulting in a blow-out exit wound in the back of JFK's head is rapidly gaining steam as we approach the 60 year anniversary of 11/22/63.
This entry wound in the neck resulting in a blow-out exit wound in the back of JFK's head is rapidly gaining steam
Below is an approximation of the bullet trajectory for an entrance wound in the neck and a blow-out at the back of the head:
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKm4smMs/z312trajectory.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
It is clear from this that whoever shot the President was lying on the floor of the limo at the time of the head shot.
There were some reports, I can't remember where from, that there was a small dog in the back of the limo.
Could it possibly be a poodle with a hand gun killed JFK?
Is this Royell's new revelation?
In this video starting at around the 57 minute mark, Jim Jenkins says if Oswald fired at President Kennedy, he would have only fired a non-fatal back wound. He then points out the neck wound and head wound both came from the front. He shows where he thinks they came from in Dealey Plaza because he is standing in Dealey Plaza!
Remember, any time you see an autopsy picture of the back of the president's head, it is fake!
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