| (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0159b.jpg) Box A ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0159b.jpg) ) Small box atop box C; one side has a gouge (CE 641) | (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) Box B ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) ) Small box that was resting on window sill (CE 653) | (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) Box C ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) ) Large box on-end on floor by window (CE 654) | (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0161b.jpg) Box D ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0161b.jpg) ) Large box upsidedown on floor by east wall (CE 648) |
(https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0159b.jpg) Box A ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0159b.jpg) )
Small box atop box C;
one side has a gouge
(CE 641)(https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) Box B ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) )
Small box that was
resting on window sill
(CE 653)(https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) Box C ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0163b.jpg) )
Large box on-end
on floor by window
(CE 654)(https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0161b.jpg) Box D ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0161b.jpg) )
Large box upsidedown
on floor by east wall
(CE 648)
Warren Commission Hearings Vol. XVII ( Link (https://www.history-matters.com/archive/contents/wc/contents_wh17.htm) ) Box B and C share the same page in the Hearings. The surface of Box A has the gouge on it, and is seen on top of Box C in this Crime Lab photo.
(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339287/m1/1/med_res/)
The WC Exhibits send by Stephen Fagin:
(https://images2.imgbox.com/df/55/rX1pQIdS_o.jpg)
Box A (above left) and Box D (above right).
(https://images2.imgbox.com/4e/6f/qDEKmHim_o.jpg)
Box B (above left) and Box C (above right).
The National Archive has newer color photos online ( Link (https://catalog.archives.gov/search-within/305131?q=box) ).
The boxes in the WC pictures all appear to have been opened. My recollection is that they appear sealed when discovered on Nov. 22. Is that correct?
Yes, I believe you are correct. It seems reasonable because I think that the contents of the boxes would have been considered irreverent as evidence.
True, but it undercuts the CTer explanation for his prints being on these boxes for a work-related purpose. As an order filler, he wouldn't have any cause to be handling unopened boxes in the ordinary course of his employment. He obviously hadn't filled any orders from an unopened box. I wonder what they did with wooden blocks that were in these boxes? Quite a collector's item.
As an order filler, he wouldn't have any cause to be handling unopened boxes in the ordinary course of his employment.
Also, there is the clipboard that was found on the sixth floor with several orders that, apparently, he should have been filling.
I wonder what they did with wooden blocks that were in these boxes? Quite a collector's item.
True, but it undercuts the CTer explanation for his prints being on these boxes for a work-related purpose. As an order filler, he wouldn't have any cause to be handling unopened boxes in the ordinary course of his employment. He obviously hadn't filled any orders from an unopened box.
True, but it undercuts the CTer explanation for his prints being on these boxes for a work-related purpose. As an order filler, he wouldn't have any cause to be handling unopened boxes in the ordinary course of his employment. He obviously hadn't filled any orders from an unopened box. I wonder what they did with wooden blocks that were in these boxes? Quite a collector's item.
It is an amazingly simple but damning piece of evidence that clearly places LHO in the SN.
Could someone please explain to Mr. Nessan the amazingly simple point that these cardboard boxes were movable items?
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Again, no matter how hard you guys try, and no matter how much trust you ask us to place in DPD & Co., none of this will ever put Mr. Oswald at the SN window at 12:30 firing at the motorcade. The very, very, very best you could ever hope to get would be Mr. Oswald handling a couple of boxes found in the SN-----------------a scenario logically consistent with
*Mr. Oswald as LN shooter
*Mr. Oswald as accomplice
*Mr. Oswald as framed patsy
*Mr. Oswald as unlucky order filler
Every time you guys pivot to this as some sort of clincher, you just reveal your deep anguish at your inability (after six decades!) to convincingly put Mr. Oswald at the SN window at 12:30 firing at the motorcade......................
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And Oswald moved some of the boxes as confirmed by his prints.
Of course, Oswald's prints on the SN boxes are not the only evidence. His prints are also on a long bag next to the window. Fired shell casings from a rifle belonging to him are by the window from which witnesses confirm the shots were fired. And, oh yeah, his rifle was left on the floor.
And Oswald moved some of the boxes as confirmed by his prints. Guilty!
Of course, Oswald's prints on the SN boxes are not the only evidence. His prints are also on a long bag next to the window. Fired shell casings from a rifle belonging to him are by the window from which witnesses confirm the shots were fired. And, oh yeah, his rifle was left on the floor. He fled the scene and murdered a police officer. Oswald lied to the DPD about his ownership of the rifle and many other things. But us gullible types are just accepting the "official" story. Cue sinister music.
LHO was not involved in laying the floor and moving the boxes. Using the boxes for a rifle rest was totally his idea. Additionally, the boxes were unopened, he had no reason to be handling them. The viability of the prints was a maximum of 24 hours.
LHO is the only person whose fingerprints are on every piece of evidence. Guilty and executed. Ruby saved a lot of effort and expense with a 5 cent bullet.
The Trolls have just polluted yet another well-meaning and on-track research thread.
And Oswald moved some of the boxes as confirmed by his prints. Guilty!
His prints are also on a long bag next to the window.
So--------------the very, very best this can ever give you still won't be enough to put Mr. Oswald at the SN window at 12:30pm
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Other than a time machine it is difficult to understand how there could be any more evidence of the fact. What do you believe is lacking? The shots were fired from the 6th floor window at 12:30. Fired bullet casings from a rifle belonging to Oswald were found by that window. Oswald's prints are on the SN boxes. His prints are on a long bag found near that window. His rifle is left on that floor.
Other than a time machine it is difficult to understand how there could be any more evidence of the fact. What do you believe is lacking? The shots were fired from the 6th floor window at 12:30. Fired bullet casings from a rifle belonging to Oswald were found by that window. Oswald's prints are on the SN boxes. His prints are on a long bag found near that window. His rifle is left on that floor. He has no credible alibi, flees the building within minutes, kills a police officer and lies to the police about the rifle and many other things. It is a drumbeat of guilt. Criminals take measures to avoid detection while committing the act. Not every crime is captured on film. That does not create any doubt, however, when a mountain of evidence is left at the scene. Guilty.
Unable to provide credible evidence to support his claims and absolutely incapable of debating an issue honestly, Richard, true to form, just repeats the same old flawed and bogus claims over and over hoping that somehow one day they might become true. :D
You can keep on reproducing this McAdams boilerplate till you're blue in the face, Mr. Smith, it still won't get you anywhere.
Let me repeat:
Even if we were to be foolish enough to accept all your claims here, you would still only have an evidentiary pattern that is ambiguous-----------it could point to Mr. Oswald as (suicidally stupid) lone gunman; Mr. Oswald as (suicidally trusting) gunman in a conspiracy; Mr. Oswald as (suicidally trusting) non-gunman but accomplice; Mr. Oswald as innocent patsy.
But I do sympathize with you in your frustration, Mr. Smith, I really do.
Concerned regards.......... :(
Unable to provide credible evidence to support his claims and absolutely incapable of debating an issue honestly, Richard, true to form, just repeats the same old flawed and bogus claims over and over hoping that somehow one day they might become true. :D
I'm not sure that I understand your logic. Fired bullet casings from OSWALD'S rifle were found by the window from which the shots were fired. OSWALD'S prints were on the SN boxes used as a gun platform (no other TSBD employee left prints on those boxes). OSWALD'S rifle was left as the scene of the shooting.
~Yawwwwwwn~
I re-repeat:
Even if we were to be foolish enough to accept all your claims here, you would still only have an evidentiary pattern that is ambiguous-----------it could point to Mr. Oswald as (suicidally stupid) lone gunman; Mr. Oswald as (suicidally trusting) gunman in a conspiracy; Mr. Oswald as (suicidally trusting) non-gunman but accomplice; Mr. Oswald as innocent patsy.
I'll let you in on a little secret, Mr. Smith: the reason you can't put Mr. Oswald at the SN window at 12:30pm is that your heroes in the 'investigation' knew they couldn't dare put him there definitively. So don't beat yourself up too much, ok?
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How does evidence that is linked to OSWALD and ONLY Oswald point to a conspiracy or non-gunman?
Unreal. And the people who you think framed Oswald for this crime were, for some inexplicable reason, fearful of placing him at the window?
Poor Oswald. So unlucky again. In his role as an "order filler", he somehow managed to be the ONLY TSBD employee to leave his prints on the very boxes found in SN. And these are unopened boxes. So his bad luck continued. He apparently was the ONLY TSBD employee who had to move these very boxes to get to his stock! HA HA HA. The contrarians can't even believe this defense attorney nonsense.
Other than a time machine it is difficult to understand how there could be any more evidence of the fact. What do you believe is lacking? The shots were fired from the 6th floor window at 12:30. Fired bullet casings from a rifle belonging to Oswald were found by that window. Oswald's prints are on the SN boxes. His prints are on a long bag found near that window. His rifle is left on that floor. He has no credible alibi, flees the building within minutes, kills a police officer and lies to the police about the rifle and many other things. It is a drumbeat of guilt. Criminals take measures to avoid detection while committing the act. Not every crime is captured on film. That does not create any doubt, however, when a mountain of evidence is left at the scene. Guilty.
Poor "Richard". He actually thinks this "bad luck" (as he puts it) is evidence of murder. HA HA HA.
This is like teaching Danish grammar to a donkey.
If an assassination conspiracy wished to frame Mr. OSWALD and ONLY Mr. Oswald, would they
a) not leave behind any evidence incriminating to Mr. OSWALD and ONLY Mr. Oswald?
b) leave behind some evidence incriminating to Mr. OSWALD and ONLY Mr. Oswald?
You are mixing up two different groups of people ::)
Wow. Your cognitive "reasoning" is something to behold. This is complete gibberish.
Maybe "seagulls" framed Oswald? Right? They are apparently industrious birds according to Martin from "Europe."
Regarding the sky over Texas, Jack White and Jim Marrs thought contrails were distributing chemicals. White also thought the moon landings were fake. Marrs thought Kennedy was killed to conceal him revealing the existence of an alien moon base on the far side of the moon. I just watched Jim Marrs being mentioned in the "Shadowlands" documentary (Atlantic Monthly) as an early proponent of conspiracy claims the would lead to Q-Anon.