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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / All Members Please Update Your Email Address
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on May 07, 2024, 10:10:46 PM »
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Charles Collins on May 07, 2024, 09:28:21 PM »
Here’s a snip from “November 22, 1963: You are the Jury” by David Belin (page 304-306):

Meanwhile, long before we saw Life’s original Zapruder film, I had an idea to try to prove that the same rifle had not fired all of the shots. I wrote to the Dallas office of the Secret Service and asked them to contact the three physicians who had treated Governor Connally - one for a back wound, one for a hand wound, and one for a slight leg wound. I asked Secret Service to have these three doctors assemble and reconstruct the position of Governor Connally as it must have been to receive the wounds he received on Nov. 22. Secret Service did contact these physicians, and I received in the mail the reconstructed position of Governor Connally as it would be from five different viewpoints. The only difficulty was that in three of the poses the doctors showed that the bullet entered the back of Governor Connally’s wrist and came out on the front side and in two it was shown vice versa.
I called this discrepancy to the attention of the Secret Service and asked that they in turn call this to the attention of Governor Connally’s physicians. I eventually received a revised set of drawings in which in all five poses the wrist wound was shown entering from the back or dorsal side of the wrist and exiting from the front.
Through a substantial portion of the Zapruder film, Governor Connally’s right arm and wrist could be seen with relation to the rest of his body. I then asked the FBI experts to look at the drawings prepared by Governor Connally’s physicians, compare them with the Zapruder film and tell us where Governor Connally could not have been hit on the film.
To have the full impact of what happened next, you should have this frame of reference: Almost everyone had assumed up to this point that the first shot struck President Kennedy, the second shot struck Governor Connally, and the third shot struck President Kennedy, and all three shots had been fired from one weapon. The FBI had reached this conclusion, as had the Secret Service. No physical evidence had been found up to that point that would prove otherwise.
On the other hand, here was one independent, a lawyer from Des Moines, Iowa, who was trying to prove - in the face of the FBI and the Secret Service - that this theory was wrong.
And I succeeded. According to the FBI photographic laboratory experts, Governor Connally was not in the position reconstructed by his doctors at any time after frame 240.

Edit: Would I like to see documentation of this including the drawings and correspondence? Yep, I sure would.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Jerry Organ on May 07, 2024, 05:09:44 PM »
Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on May 07, 2024, 03:41:10 PM
Yes, that was going to be my followup question: How can JBC be hit in the back when he's clearly turned sideways at 271/272? Even before that he's turned away from the building.

Mason has an answer:


Mason's own graphic.
   

     Defense Attorney Mason's graphic (shown left) used
     an oblique Daliesque view in order to lessen the
     severity of the deflection. He's fooled many a juror
     with that sort of thing.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on May 07, 2024, 04:58:48 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on May 07, 2024, 04:42:13 PM



Once one accepts the validity of the physical evidence, it should become clear that the only conclusion that fits the physical evidence is the single bullet conclusion. Therefore some of the witness accounts must simply be inaccurate. I believe that even JBC admits that he could be wrong (in his book).
I used to be a conspiracy believer in large part because the lone assassin explanation made no sense. But it wasn't explained properly - they (I think it was primarily Groden's book) had the bullet zig zagging and I fell for it; *and* the alternate explanations for what happened didn't add up. Plus this enhanced Zapruder film has details we didn't have before. Any other explanation for what happened, for me, simply doesn't work.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Charles Collins on May 07, 2024, 04:42:13 PM »
Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on May 07, 2024, 03:41:10 PM
Yes, that was going to be my followup question: How can JBC be hit in the back when he's clearly turned sideways at 271/272? Even before that he's turned away from the building.



Once one accepts the validity of the physical evidence, it should become clear that the only conclusion that fits the physical evidence is the single bullet conclusion. Therefore some of the witness accounts must simply be inaccurate. I believe that even JBC admits that he could be wrong (in his book).
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Last post by Jack Nessan on May 07, 2024, 03:42:46 PM »
Quote from: Fergus O'brien on May 05, 2024, 06:29:24 PM
i do think you are incapable of seeing a clearly laid out point . i laid it out so simply that a 10 year old could get it , yet you some how failed . that my friend is your problem , not mine .

also all the nastiness ,  name calling insults or abuse that you feel you need to toss at me wont change a thing , and in the end all it serves is to make you look like an idiot . i wont ask you do stop , please do carry on .

You laid out a point? Where? No, you have made no point at all except to whine about LNers and Meyers. 

Making a point would have been to tie the whole oddball rant into an explanation about Knotts Lab and the obvious issue with a bullet exiting JFK and striking JBC in the back, but not one thing you posted was even remotely relevant to any discussion taking place. Now here you are trying to offer up lame excuses for your posts. All of your posts can be characterized as irrelevant whining, and it is not any more complicated than that. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on May 07, 2024, 03:41:10 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on May 07, 2024, 10:56:58 AM

The sudden movement of JBC that begins at z271-272 and continues through z278 before he falls back.


The position of JBC at 271-272 relative to the sniper’s nest window is not compatible with a bullet entering and exiting JBC’s back and chest respectively in the places that it actually did enter and exit. Plus, going from memory, JBC testified that he turned back to his right AFTER he was shot. How do you explain these two issues with your idea?
Yes, that was going to be my followup question: How can JBC be hit in the back when he's clearly turned sideways at 271/272? Even before that he's turned away from the building.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Jack Nessan on May 07, 2024, 03:36:52 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on May 05, 2024, 07:25:46 PM
Watson was on the air continuously up to the time he interviewed Zapruder and we can see that he didn’t have any opportunity to meet with him. It is apparent from the beginning of the interview that Watson was meeting Zapruder for the first time, just after Zapruder had walked into the studio.

Zapruder’s uncertainty about the number of shots may be because he was concentrating on watching the President and relying more on visual cues. He observed effects from only two shots.

Wow. You can’t even view a simple interview without attempting to twist it into this goofy story you have going on all the time. Actually, it is mind boggling unbelievable. 

Wouldn’t it be better to just stick to proving you do not know anything about physics, firearms, witness testimony, sound analysis, and ballistics instead of branching out to proving you do not know anything about assessing the Jay Watson -Zapruder interview?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Charles Collins on May 07, 2024, 10:56:58 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on May 07, 2024, 02:39:40 AM
The sudden movement of JBC that begins at z271-272 and continues through z278 before he falls back. It is subtle but before he falls back onto Nellie he moves toward the front of the car without moving any part of his body to initiate this motion.

There is also a slight change in his hand position and the hat he is holding between z271 and z272.

There is also the odd lifting of JFK’s hair on the right side of his head that George Hickey observed at the time of the second shot (z273-277).

Finally, there is Wm Greer’s first turn around at around z280 which he said he did immediately after -“almost simultaneous” with- the second shot.


The sudden movement of JBC that begins at z271-272 and continues through z278 before he falls back.


The position of JBC at 271-272 relative to the sniper’s nest window is not compatible with a bullet entering and exiting JBC’s back and chest respectively in the places that it actually did enter and exit. Plus, going from memory, JBC testified that he turned back to his right AFTER he was shot. How do you explain these two issues with your idea?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Jerry Organ on May 07, 2024, 08:18:38 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on May 07, 2024, 02:39:40 AM
The sudden movement of JBC that begins at z271-272 and continues through z278 before he falls back. It is subtle but before he falls back onto Nellie he moves toward the front of the car without moving any part of his body to initiate this motion.

There is also a slight change in his hand position and the hat he is holding between z271 and z272.

Mason's sailing-forward bullet impact on the Guv. :D



Mason's "sailing forward" cherry-pick GIF, with zoom-out. It's centered on the
President which accentuates the "forward" movement of Connally, as well as
the near-side of the parade bar, which is seen "moving" forward.		 

Connally actually pivots in his seat towards Nellie and away from the camera.
The angle of Connally's shirt collar, for example, becomes flatter as his torso
pivots and reclines. At no point does Connally "sail forward".
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There is also the odd lifting of JFK’s hair on the right side of his head that George Hickey observed at the time of the second shot (z273-277).

Finally, there is Wm Greer’s first turn around at around z280 which he said he did immediately after -“almost simultaneous” with- the second shot.

 

Hickey (on right edge of photo above) is looking
backwards and his head is lower than the standing
agents. Photo taken one second before Mason says
Hickey turned fully around, scanned about and saw
Kennedy's hair 'flew forward".

Hickey associated the hair movement with the impact on the head: ""the right side of his head was hit and his hair flew forward". The Z270s hair movement is a tiny lock that falls downward because Kennedy's head is tilted forward. Hickey can't see that part of Kennedy's head. Mason is tailoring the evidence to fit his lamebrain Theory.
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