JFK Assassination Forum
JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on September 17, 2021, 03:09:55 AM
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In JFK literature we keep hearing about a triangulation of fire where three shooters would fire on a target such as JFK in this case. But why would someone set up an assassination plot involving three shooters which would triple the chances of one of the shooters getting caught? Wouldn't it make more sense for an assassination to be planned where you have just one single skilled sniper using an automatic rapid fire weapon?
And if you're talking about trying to frame that one sniper (as is often proposed in the case of Oswald), that can be done in a plot where you have just one sniper too. You do not need to have three snipers to do that.
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In JFK literature we keep hearing about a triangulation of fire where three shooters would fire on a target such as JFK in this case. But why would someone set up an assassination plot involving three shooters which would triple the chances of one of the shooters getting caught?
Caught by who? Point is...if so they weren't.
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Caught by who? Point is...if so they weren't.
By police officers in Dealey Plaza.
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By police officers in Dealey Plaza.
Dallas police officers did bring in some other suspects but the higher ups had them all released.
They had their man over in a movie theater.
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Dallas police officers did bring in some other suspects but the higher ups had them all released.
They had their man over in a movie theater.
Because Oswald was the shooter and the three tramps were just tramps.
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Because Oswald was the shooter and the three tramps were just tramps.
Mr Down..... Yer FOS... But in answer to your silly question---" why would someone set up an assassination plot involving three shooters which would triple the chances of one of the shooters getting caught? "
The reason for using multiple shooters is to insure that a single shooter wouldn't get "cold feet" ....and there was no chance that the shooters would be caught....J. Edgar Hoover had their backs.
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Three shooters sounds like an accident waiting to happen. I don't know why someone would set up an assassination like that. If one assassin gets cold feet as you say, he is then a liability for the other two in trying to escape.
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Three shooters sounds like an accident waiting to happen. I don't know why someone would set up an assassination like that. If one assassin gets cold feet as you say, he is then a liability for the other two in trying to escape.
Three shooters means three times as many assassins to be seen or get caught or keep quiet for eternity. And, if there is anything the witnesses do agree on, it's that there were three or two shots fired all from one location. They disagree on the location due to the sound distortions but almost no witness indicated they thought the shots originated from two different locations. So one shooter firing three or two shots.
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Three shooters means three times as many assassins to be seen or get caught or keep quiet for eternity. And, if there is anything the witnesses do agree on, it's that there were three or two shots fired all from one location. They disagree on the location due to the sound distortions but almost no witness indicated they thought the shots originated from two different locations. So one shooter firing three or two shots.
At least one of the shooters was using a .45 caliber weapon ( subsonic ) that was equipped with a silencer.
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One of the assassins also had a bazooka but it failed to go off and he disappeared into the bushes.
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The Pros of multiple shooters:
- increased odds of success. If one sniper misses, there are two others.
- the directions of the shots confuses the bystanders and law enforcement.
- There were a bunch of locations in Dealey Plaza for snipers to hide. TSBD sniper’s nest wouldn’t have been discovered if not for someone leaving evidence behind.
The Cons of multiple shooters:
- increased odds of someone getting caught before the mission is accomplished.
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The Pros of multiple shooters:
- increased odds of success. If one sniper misses, there are two others.
- the directions of the shots confuses the bystanders and law enforcement.
- There were a bunch of locations in Dealey Plaza for snipers to hide. TSBD sniper’s nest wouldn’t have been discovered if not for someone leaving evidence behind.
The Cons of multiple shooters:
- increased odds of someone getting caught before the mission is accomplished.
Concise and succinct Mr Banks.....
The TSBD sniper’s nest wouldn’t have been discovered if not for someone leaving evidence behind.
That was a deliberate act Mr Banks.... They left the throw down evidence to lead to Lee Oswald....
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The Pros of multiple shooters:
- increased odds of success. If one sniper misses, there are two others.
- the directions of the shots confuses the bystanders and law enforcement.
- There were a bunch of locations in Dealey Plaza for snipers to hide. TSBD sniper’s nest wouldn’t have been discovered if not for someone leaving evidence behind.
The Cons of multiple shooters:
- increased odds of someone getting caught before the mission is accomplished.
What about the use of multiple different guns firing from different directions that would necessitate obtaining the bullets and fragments from the crime and access to the president's body to hide the evidence of other shooters. A fairly big con! If anyone is planning to frame Oswald as the assassin from the 6th floor window with a particular rifle, then the shooter uses that rifle and fires from that shooting location to avoid the risk and complexity of having to access the bullets and body after the fact.
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What about the use of multiple different guns firing from different directions that would necessitate obtaining the bullets and fragments from the crime and access to the president's body to hide the evidence of other shooters. A fairly big con! If anyone is planning to frame Oswald as the assassin from the 6th floor window with a particular rifle, then the shooter uses that rifle and fires from that shooting location to avoid the risk and complexity of having to access the bullets and body after the fact.
If they intended to frame Oswald, they only needed to plant one rifle and three spent shells.
Obviously other snipers wouldn’t/didn’t leave rifles behind.
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If they intended to frame Oswald, they only needed to plant one rifle and three spent shells.
Obviously other snipers wouldn’t/didn’t leave rifles behind.
If they intended to frame Oswald, they only needed to plant one rifle and three spent shells.
I believe the "They" in this case could have been Lee Oswald himself..... He was playing the role of an ATTEMPTED assassin....
He thought that if Castro believed that he had tried to shoot JFK, then Fidel Castro would grant him asylum in Cuba.
Thus Lee wanted it to appear as if he had actually fired the carcano at JFK.... (And obviously millions of people do believe that)
But in reality that old carcano was nothing but a stage prop and it never was fired that day....In Fact the carcano was already hidden beneath the pallet of books in the NW corner of the sixth floor at the time JFK was ambushed....And Lee was in the first floor lunchroom when JFK passed by the entrance to the TSBD.
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If they intended to frame Oswald, they only needed to plant one rifle and three spent shells.
Obviously other snipers wouldn’t/didn’t leave rifles behind.
How would they explain the fact that bullets or bullet fragments fired from rifles other than Oswald's MC rifle were found in the car or body? And that they struck the body from directions other than from behind? It is downright silly to suggest that the fantasy conspirators went to such pains to frame Oswald using a specific rifle and firing from a specific location, but then conduct the assassination with different rifles firing from different locations. It's laughable.
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How would they explain the fact that bullets or bullet fragments fired from rifles other than Oswald's MC rifle were found in the car or body? And that they struck the body from directions other than from behind? It is downright silly to suggest that the fantasy conspirators went to such pains to frame Oswald using a specific rifle and firing from a specific location, but then conduct the assassination with different rifles firing from different locations. It's laughable.
You Know nothing about disintegrating bullets .........
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You no nothing about disintegrating bullets .........
Frangible Ammo explodes on impact into tiny fragments like the bullet that struck JFK's skull.
It's totally plausible that second or third shooter would use that type of ammo over the type of ammo that could be ballistically matched to a specific rifle.
What is Frangible Ammo:
Frangible – the characteristic of breaking into tiny fragments – is a bullet that doesn't deform or expand like a hollow point, but instead shatters or disintegrates upon impact with the target. This target is anything harder than the bullet itself, which is usually made of composite materials that are pressed together with adhesives or formed under high pressure into a "solid" bullet shape. Frangible bullets are sometimes known as Advanced Energy Transfer rounds, or AETs, and the Glaser Safety Slug is by far the most recognizable name.
https://ammo.com/bullet-type/frangible
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You no nothing about disintegrating bullets .........
Silencers, disintegrating bullets, cloak of invisibility....... This is getting more outlandish than a James Bond story. You can't really believe that nonsense. And all they had to do was use the same rifle that they had taken great pains to link to Oswald and fire from it from the same location that they set up to frame him from. But instead it is like the shootout at the O.K. Corral.
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Frangible Ammo explodes on impact into tiny fragments like the bullet that struck JFK's skull.
It's totally plausible that second or third shooter would use that type of ammo over the type of ammo that could be ballistically matched to a specific rifle.
What is Frangible Ammo:
Frangible – the characteristic of breaking into tiny fragments – is a bullet that doesn't deform or expand like a hollow point, but instead shatters or disintegrates upon impact with the target. This target is anything harder than the bullet itself, which is usually made of composite materials that are pressed together with adhesives or formed under high pressure into a "solid" bullet shape. Frangible bullets are sometimes known as Advanced Energy Transfer rounds, or AETs, and the Glaser Safety Slug is by far the most recognizable name.
https://ammo.com/bullet-type/frangible
Thank You for posting the link, Mr Banks.....
You can find frangible ammo in quite a few varieties, available for both pistols and rifles. However, you’re more likely to find the pistol ammo due to the frangible rifle round's performance inconsistencies from firing at such high velocity – including fragmenting early, jamming in the rifle or other issues.
I've long believed that the round that struck John's head was a 45 caliber ( subsonic ) frangible bullet.....and it was fired from a 45 caliber weapon that was equipped with a silencer.
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Silencers, disintegrating bullets, cloak of invisibility....... This is getting more outlandish than a James Bond story. You can't really believe that nonsense. And all they had to do was use the same rifle that they had taken great pains to link to Oswald and fire from it from the same location that they set up to frame him from. But instead it is like the shootout at the O.K. Corral.
A "Frangible bullet" plausibly explains the behavior of the bullet that broke into fragments in Kennedy's skull. It's not baseless speculation. It's speculation based on the evidence.
I'm unaware of any evidence suggesting that silencers were used.
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I'm unaware of any evidence suggesting that silencers were used.
What kind of evidence would there be?
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Silencers, disintegrating bullets, cloak of invisibility....... This is getting more outlandish than a James Bond story. You can't really believe that nonsense. And all they had to do was use the same rifle that they had taken great pains to link to Oswald and fire from it from the same location that they set up to frame him from. But instead it is like the shootout at the O.K. Corral.
The only nonsense around here are your posts.
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The only nonsense around here are your posts.
Nice rebuttal. So full of substantive arguments and logic to advance the discussion. I point out that if conspirators spent considerable time and effort to connect Oswald to a specific rifle and shooting location, they would assassinate JFK with a different rifle fired from a different shooting location, and you knock it all down with this fantastic post.