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News - Off Topic - Weird & Wacky / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Richard Smith on Today at 07:41:22 PM »
Old Joe is apparently now going to sign an executive order just before the upcoming debate reinstating many of the Trump border policies which he had previously claimed were racist.  You can't make that up.  Too little, and way too late.  Ten million illegals have entered the country.  Is this because he has suddenly seen the light and is acknowledging that Trump was right?  Of course not.  His open border policy is hurting him in the polls.  He also lectured Trump on taking issue with the legal system by claiming it was political.  Is this the same line Old Joe will take when his son Dirty Hunter is placed on trial next week for numerous felonies? 
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Also around 8:00, they show using a metal detector on the tree but failed to find a bullet. Since a rifle bullet goes through two feet of hard wood and four feet of soft wood there is very little chance of a branch containing a bullet even if it was struck by one.
Yes.  But it would show a hole or damage of some kind to the branch. No one appears to have found any.  Besides, it would not have deflected a bullet very much. It could have destabilised the bullet which would cause it to gradually drift off course.  That is not nearly enough to explain how a shot aimed at someone in the limo missed the entire car, let alone the entire street.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Joe Elliott on Today at 07:14:57 PM »

It doesn't take that long to stop. Most people can go from a run to a stop in 2 or 3 steps. She may have been slowing because the President's car was pulling away and she could not longer keep up to it.  Besides, she said that when she heard the first shot she stopped and looked back at the TSBD and saw pigeons flying away from the roof. She stops at z199.  She was not turned looking at the TSBD until z204. She then turns sharply back toward the TSBD at z204-207. Pigeons didn't wait 5 seconds to take flight after hearing the shot.

Most people can go from a run to a stop in 2 or 3 steps? I don't know about most people but I can't without the assistance of a side of a building. Like Wily Coyote style.

I remember that John Madden said the very best NFL cornerbacks could start to react, not stop but start to react, in one or two steps, a more typical NFL cornerback in two steps and a good college cornerback who fails to make the cut in the NFL might need three or even 4 steps.

Certainly 1.5 seconds does not sound like an unreasonable amount of time for a child to go from a run to a stop, like from z163 to z190.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Joe Elliott on Today at 07:07:35 PM »

. . .

"Pigeons didn't wait 5 seconds to take flight after hearing the shot."

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Who said that? Must be more Masomactics.

Pigeons not waiting 5 seconds to take flight after hearing a shot is a basic insight of biology that Charles Darwin devoted an entire chapter to in his book 'Origin of the Species". Or maybe this is just something Andrew came up with. I don't remember.

Actually, I think Pigeons are unpredictable. They might hear a shot and stay still and look around before a second or even a third shot causes one of them to take off and the rest to follow suit. Or maybe they would take off from near the center of the roof after the first shot but not become visible to observers on Elm Street until they were 20 feet or more above the roof, or flew horizontally into view to people below. There could be a delay of several seconds after they took off before people could see them. Or maybe not. It is hard to say.

Besides, I am reluctant to rely on the memories of witnesses, let along the decisions of pigeons.
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This cartoon is suggestive of the obliviousness of some of the naysayers around here…


They read the conspiracy books and get drunk on all of this history about the CIA and Operation Northwoods and Guatemala and intrigue and spying and military industrial complex and Allan Dulles. So they have to interpret the assassination through that view, through that history. It's the only way for them it makes sense. The nut with the umbrella is not a nut with an umbrella; no, he's signalling the sniper teams. Secret teams and CIA and spies and coverups and Cold War intrigue and....they can't resist it.

It's the Jim Garrison view. We can't reason with it.
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…as secretary of a pro-Cuban organization, he was being harassed by the FBI.  …


It seems to me that the above quote from the Soviet memo might help to explain why LHO requested to speak with an FBI agent while he was in the custody of the New Orleans police. I have often wondered about what his reasoning might be. If he was already planning and creating his resume and appeal to the Cuban and Soviet embassies, this might make some sense.
Good catch. Nechiporenko et al said Oswald complained about the "notorious FBI" hounding him, he shows the revolver et cetera. But this was all *before* the Hosty matter. So where was the hounding?

It's clear, at least to us, what he was doing with all of that New Orleans activity: building a pro-Castro resume, showing he was being harassed by the US government, that he was a friend of the Revolution and an enemy of the imperialists. All in order to get to Cuba. And the attacks by the FBI was manufactured in part by the NO arrest incident.

The problem is the conspiracists see all of it as an act, that he was pretending to hold these views; in reality it was his legend, his cover, he was really a gung-ho pro-American defending us from the communists (oy, what these people believe!). We see up and they see down. Here we are going in circles 60 years later.
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This cartoon is suggestive of the obliviousness of some of the naysayers around here…




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Everyone accepts that Oswald defected to Russia.
Why not accept he just visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico?
What's the problem?
Not to be unfair, or too unfair, but it's the conspiracy mindset that some people have that simply has to reject everything the Warren Commission or government said. Doesn't matter what, doesn't matter how trivial.

Conspiracy believers can still believe that Oswald was framed, that there was a larger plan behind the assassination. He simply was ordered to go there by the conspirators as part of this grand scheme. That's what Escalante says. He says Oswald was an "intelligence agent" sent to connect/blame Cuba. Fine (I don't believe it). But that requires accepting that it was Oswald and not a double.

But they simply won't accept that fact.
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LHO wrote the letter to the Russian Embassy saying he was there. But he lied to the investigators in DPD about it. This was just another one of LHO’s compulsive lies. His brother Robert said he despised LEOs and liked to try to show that he could “outsmart” them. I suspect LHO was just lying to mess with them, or at least to not cooperate with them.
Yes, one of the interesting parts of this matter is how he behaved, what he told the Soviets and Cubans, what he planned to do. If the Cubans give him that visa then he's gone, he's off to Havana to build a new life. How do the conspirators frame him then? All of their efforts are gone, he's in Cuba. How would they know he wouldn't be able to get that transit visa?

This is another example of the long list of things the so-called conspirators simply couldn't control, couldn't manage. From where Oswald was at the time of the shooting to this and everything in between the ability of these conspirators was limited. In conspiracy world there simply seems to be no limits to what they could do: fake films and photos that fool experts 60 years later, order people to commit crimes and have them remain silent for the rest of their lives and on and on.

It's been more than half a century and over that time multiple generations of Americans in government and outside have looked into this tragedy. There's no there there. As Robert Oswald said, "Asking questions is good, it's right. But after the tenth time, the twentieth, enough already."

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when did I say they planted evidence to place him on a bus?
How are they my fantasy conspirators? - U made them up.
https://jfk.boards.net/post/7693

They don't call you "Strawman Smith" for nothing

LOL.  You can tell CTers are cornered with they start playing the everything is suspect, but they are not suggesting a conspiracy card.  HA HA HA.  Now where have I heard that one before?  Maybe in "Europe"?   So the bus transfer was not planted?  How about instead of trying to decipher whatever point you are trying to make that you just lay it out for once?  I tried to help you communicate in complete thoughts.  Try this "I think Oswald was/was not on the bus because [here you fill in a thought].
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