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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: William Connors on June 25, 2020, 04:05:37 AM
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Hi ,
Since Ruby knew a lot of cops, they came to his clubs, he hung around the station......Any chance he knew Tippit ? Could that have given him added motivation ?
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Hi ,
Since Ruby knew a lot of cops, they came to his clubs, he hung around the station......Any chance he knew Tippit ? Could that have given him added motivation ?
I'm more convinced Tippit was dirty than LHO being a shooter, His frantic behaviour beforehand reeked of someone hunting down Oswald......... to silence him.
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Hi, Since Ruby knew a lot of cops, they came to his clubs, he hung around the station......Any chance he knew Tippit? Could that have given him added motivation?
Ruby did not want to shoot Oswald, but the Mafia forced him to do it. Ruby even tried to warn the Dallas police that Oswald would be shot, but they didn't want to hear it. Whether or not Ruby knew Tippit had nothing to do with his reason for shooting Oswald.
On a side note, there is credible evidence that Ruby knew Oswald, and that Ruby was aware that JFK would be shot in Dealey Plaza. One of the records released by the ARRB is an FBI report that says that an informant advised that Ruby had asked him that morning if he wanted to "watch the fireworks" and that he, the informant, joined Ruby at the corner of the Postal Annex Building to watch the motorcade based on Ruby's invitation.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jfk-files-release-john-f-kennedy-jack-ruby-fbi-watch-for-fireworks-lee-harvey-oswald-assassination-a8063826.html
One of the more exhaustive treatments of Ruby's Mafia ties and his shooting of Oswald is Dr. David Scheim's book The Mafia Killed President Kennedy. Another good book on the subject is veteran journalist Seth Kantor's book The Ruby Cover-Up.
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This might all be true but it's hard for me to believe that anyone would have entrusted any matter of importace to either Oswald, Ruby OR Tippit.
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This might all be true but it's hard for me to believe that anyone would have entrusted any matter of importace to either Oswald, Ruby OR Tippit.
I have always found this argument curious, though I've never heard it applied to Tippit.
While in the Army Air Corps, Ruby was an aircraft mechanic for three years. After he moved to Dallas, Ruby worked his way up in the nightclub business to become an owner. Castro's people in the U.S. trusted him enough to let him engage in gunrunning for them. As Mafia men went, Ruby was just as capable as anybody else of shooting Oswald with a pistol at close range, and actually Ruby was a smart pick because of his extensive connections with the Dallas police department.
As for Oswald, he was not entrusted with anything--he was set up, and by all accounts he was frequently being checked on and guided by those who were using him. In any case, Oswald was very intelligent, read a lot, and spoke Russian fluently. In the Marine Corps, he qualified for a high security clearance and worked as a radar operator for the U-2 program at Atsugi Air Force Base, Japan. People who knew him well said he was quite intelligent and an avid reader.
Regarding Tippit, he was exactly the kind of dirty cop that might be asked to shoot a patsy.
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I'm more convinced Tippit was dirty than LHO being a shooter, His frantic behaviour beforehand reeked of someone hunting down Oswald......... to silence him.
By that logic all Dallas police officers were dirty, as evidence by their frantic behavior of hunting down the assassin of President Kennedy.
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On a side note, there is credible evidence that Ruby knew Oswald, and that Ruby was aware that JFK would be shot in Dealey Plaza.
Yes. That makes since. Ruby knew beforehand about the assassination. But he still went down to the newspaper and paid money to put in advertisement for his club. But when he heard the assassination took place, he tried to get his money back but couldn’t. So, he then cancelled the advertisement for his club, since it would be in bad taste to advertise that weekend, even though he couldn’t get his money back.
I would take a skeptical look at that credible evidence.
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By that logic all Dallas police officers were dirty, as evidence by their frantic behavior of hunting down the assassin of President Kennedy.
Absolute rubbish, no other reports of coppers frantically pulling over cars wild eyed , not saying nothing then quickly moving on, in and out shops using the payphones also saying nothing, and being outwith his location at the crime scene etc etc, the guy was dirty.
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Yes. That makes since. Ruby knew beforehand about the assassination. But he still went down to the newspaper and paid money to put in advertisement for his club. But when he heard the assassination took place, he tried to get his money back but couldn’t. So, he then cancelled the advertisement for his club, since it would be in bad taste to advertise that weekend, even though he couldn’t get his money back. I would take a skeptical look at that credible evidence.
No, I would stop uncritically swallowing every staged action that was designed to provide a cover story. I take it you're saying that the FBI informant was lying when he said Ruby invited him to "watch the fireworks" and that he watched the assassination with Ruby? How about the former Marine and former Dallas police officer, Ray Cummings, who said he drove Oswald and David Ferrie to Ruby's club? Was he lying too? How about the other people who reported seeing Oswald and Ruby together, such as Walt Weston, who worked for Ruby and counted him a friend? All lying or "mistaken"?
Are you aware that several people reported that Ruby told them that he was involved in the assassination conspiracy and/or that he shot Oswald to silence him? Are you aware that one of Ruby's ex-girlfriends said Ruby disliked the Kennedys and that Ruby was ordered by his "bosses" to kill Oswald?
https://miketgriffith.com/files/oswaldruby.htm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4778698/jfk-files-explosive-documents-reveal-lee-harvey-oswald-and-jack-ruby-met-each-other-in-weeks-before-assassination-went-to-cuba-together-to-cut-sugar-cane-and-were-heard-discussing-big-bird/
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/New%20York%20Daily%20News%206-76/Item%2001.pdf
https://jfkfacts.org/ex-flame-says-jack-ruby-had-no-choice-but-to-kill-oswald/
http://harveyandlee.net/Ruby/Ruby.html
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I wonder if the 3rd person was Shaw? How would Las Vegas handicap it?
Clay Shaw 2-1
Sergio Aracha Smith 3-1
Frank Sturgis 30-1
Others?
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Regarding Tippit, he was exactly the kind of dirty cop that might be asked to shoot a patsy.
There are different kinds of dirty cops?
What material is available that supports Tippit being assigned to 'shoot a patsy'?
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Allow me to illustrate this point. John Franklin Elrod, an unfortunate alcoholic who happened to be walking along the railroad tracks not far from where Kennedy was shot on 22 November 1963, was thrown into the Dallas jail, arrested on suspicion of involvement in the assassination. He claims that in 1964 he told the FBI in Memphis that Oswald had identified another prisoner, one Lawrence Miller, in the jail that day. Miller had been arrested two days earlier with Jack Ruby's auto mechanic Donnell Whitter with US Army weapons stolen from National Guard Armory in Terrell, Texas.
https://miketgriffith.com/files/oswaldruby.htm
This hearsay was also in "Oswald Talked" by Ray & Mary La Fontaine - 1996----- Yeah.. I read that well written yarn.
Mike... Oswald was placed in solitary confinement at the Dallas jail. No one else ever spoke to or with him that weekend...no one.
Do you actually think that the cops would have it any other way?
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I wonder if the 3rd person was Shaw?
Garrison asked Cummings that very question and showed him numerous photos of Shaw. Cummings said the third man did not look like Shaw.
Cummings is an especially compelling witness not only because of his background but because he did not want to come forward but felt he had a duty to do so and was hoping that he could do so without any attracting any publicity.
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An often-overlooked source on Jack Ruby's extensive Mafia ties is the HSCA Report. I have extracted the section on Ruby and the Mafia and have highlighted key statements, segments, and paragraphs:
https://miketgriffith.com/files/hscaandjackruby.pdf
The HSCA's investigation into Jack Ruby and his Mafia ties was some of the committee's best work.