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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Marjan Rynkiewicz on March 31, 2021, 03:17:40 AM
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Howard Brennan (wearing a steel hard hat) sat on a 3' high cinder block wall on the south west corner of Elm & Houston.
He sat 8' west of the Houston St property line, he sat facing North East towards the center of the intersection. At his 6th floor window Oswald sat 4' west of the Houston St property line. Brennan's eyes were 116' horizontally from Oswald's eyes, & 62' vertically (an angle of 53.5% or 28.1deg)(not important).
When JFK's limo turned left from Houston onto Elm Brennan was in effect the radius point for its turn. When JFK passed by in Houston St his eyes were 50' from Brennan's, 43' turning into Elm St, & 49' at the time of Oswald's shot-1 (at Z113) at which point JFK was 18' past Brennan measured along Elm St.
Brennan's wordage to the Police (Nov22 1963), the FBI (Nov22 1963), the WC (1964), youtube (Sept 1964), & Brennan's book (EyeWitness To History)(1987)(Brennan told his last & final lie in i think 1987) is a disaster of contradictions. Its difficult to decide what he actually saw & heard. One possible version goes like this.
VERSION A. Brennan saw Oswald in the window before JFK arrived. Brennan sat on the wall & was facing the TSBD. When JFK was 50 yards down Elm St Brennan heard what he thought was a backfire, & then he thought it was a firecracker, & then he looked up & saw Oswald aiming a rifle & realised that it had been a gunshot. After a few seconds he saw Oswald fire. Still watching, a few seconds later, he saw Oswald fire again, & he quickly looked & saw JFK's head explode. Brennan looked back to Oswald & saw Oswald slowly stand back & lower the rifle while looking towards JFK & then move away. Brennan jumped off the wall & hid behind a concrete pillar for a while, fearful of further shooting. Soon after Brennan advised the Police that the shooter was on the 6th floor.
VERSION B. As above except that (a) JFK was a few feet past along Elm St when Brennan heard the backfire, & (b) he then saw Oswald aiming the rifle but wasn’t looking at Oswald when Oswald fired, & (c) Oswald didn’t fire again, ie a 3rd shot, & (d) Brennan heard only 2 shots, & (e) Brennan never saw JFK hit by any shot, & (f) Brennan looked but couldn’t see JFK or the limo when Oswald fired his 2nd shot (something was in the way)(it was a bush), & (g) after the last shot Oswald slowly stood back etc.
Here Brennan says he heard 2 shots, but that there might have been a 3rd shot in between that he didn’t hear or that he forgot, Brennan said that perhaps that is why he thought of firecrackers. However Brennan's wordage suggests that there might have been a 3rd final shot, & that this was not fired by Oswald. Brennan said "after the last shot", he didn’t say "after Oswald's last shot". However if he knew at that time that there had been a 3rd shot then the only way he could have known that is if he heard the shot, in which case he would have said that he heard 3 shots. Perhaps later that day he became aware that there had been a later 3rd shot & hence his statement "after the last shot" might make more sense. Hmmm, no, it still doesn't make sense.
VERSION C. The Zapruder film shows us that Brennan didn’t look up towards Oswald, he was looking at JFK the whole time. Zapruder's film starts at Z133 & Oswald's shot-1 was at Z113. Looking at the film frame by frame Brennan's head is visible most of the time. Many frames are blurred but most of the time Brennan's hard hat shows whether Brennan is looking up. In some frames Brennan or his head or his hard hat are out of frame for a short while, too short for Brennan to have quickly looked up at Oswald.
Brennan could have had a quick look at Oswald immediately after Oswald's shot-1 at Z113, before Zapruder started filming at Z133. Whenever i mention Z113 i actually mean the position or the time that JFK would have been at had Zapruder been filming earlier. Anyhow, Brennan had 20 frames to have a quick look, at 18.3 fps that’s 1.1 sec. Not possible. If Oswald fired at Z112 the slug would hit at Z113 & the sound would hit Brennan's ears at Z114. Brennan would have 19 frames to look up at Oswald & then look back towards JFK, which aint possible even if Brennan stared at Oswald for only 1 frame. Brennan could have had a startle reaction in say 3 or 4 frames, but a voluntary reaction such as raising his head would take almost 1 sec at best. Add to that the time spent in shock & horror staring at a man aiming a rifle at JFK.
So, we can see Brennan in Z133, & he finally exits at frame Z207. Perhaps Brennan looked up at Oswald at Z208. This is unlikely, Z208 is 95 frames after Oswald's shot-1 at Z113, which is 5.2 sec, Brennan would not have waited that long. And if Brennan did look up towards Oswald at Z208 then that would be 10 frames before Oswald's shot-2 which was at Z218 (my reckoning)(some say Z224), which is 0.6 sec, in which case Brennan would have seen Oswald fire his 2nd shot, but Brennan when in truth mode said that he didn’t see Oswald fire any of his shots.
VERSION D. So, if Brennan saw Oswald aiming a rifle then he must have looked up after hearing the 2nd shot at Z218. He would have seen Oswald aiming his rifle. And then after Hickey accidentally fires at Z313 Oswald doesn't fire his 3rd shot, he moves away from the window, ie "after the last shot", which was Hickey's shot not Oswald's. That makes more sense. However how did Brennan know that there was a final last 3rd shot? Did he hear it? I don’t think so. Did he learn about it later, before his Police & FBI interviews. Yes, makes sense.
TRUE VERSION E. Oswald moved away from the window immediately after firing at Z218, & Brennan was hiding behind the concrete pillar when Hickey fired at Z313, & Brennan could not hear that shot (which was actually an auto burst of 4 or 5 shots). Oswald saw Hickey fire at Z313, while standing well back. Z313 is 95 frames after Oswald fired at Z218, which is 5.2 sec. Oswald saw the fatal shot, & he knew that he was a patsy.
Zapruder frame Z207 tells us that Brennan could not see JFK or his limo at Z218 because a bush blocks his view, & a concrete pillar blocks his view of the remainder of Elm St up to the underpass. Therefore there was nothing for Brennan to see after about Z217. The show was over, & Humpty, i mean Brennan, was jumping & running & ducking behind a concrete pillar 12' away when Hickey fired. Simple.
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According to Harold Weisberg, Brennan was the least credible person in the world. I'll stick with that.
Oswald didn't fire any shots, he was in the lunch room. His paraffin test was negative.
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According to Harold Weisberg, Brennan was the least credible person in the world. I'll stick with that. Oswald didn't fire any shots, he was in the lunch room. His paraffin test was negative.
Personally i reckon that Oswald acted alone, & that the only conspiracy is the cover up of Hickey's negligent accidental homicide. Including the quasi-framing of Oswald, ie that he fired 3 shots.
I am amazed at the number of unlikely happenings surrounding the whole saga.
Me myself i have pointed out the correct timings of the shots, & Oswald's shot-1 put a hole in the floor of the limo, & that Hickey fired an auto burst of 4 or 5 shots (cracked window)(dent in chrome)(tarmacs & curbs)(Tague's cheek). All now explained.
And whether it was Oswald or someone else in the sniper's nest doesnt affect any of that.
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Personally i reckon that Oswald acted alone, & that the only conspiracy is the cover up of Hickey's negligent accidental homicide. Including the quasi-framing of Oswald, ie that he fired 3 shots.
I am amazed at the number of unlikely happenings surrounding the whole saga.
Me myself i have pointed out the correct timings of the shots, & Oswald's shot-1 put a hole in the floor of the limo, & that Hickey fired an auto burst of 4 or 5 shots (cracked window)(dent in chrome)(tarmacs & curbs)(Tague's cheek). All now explained.
And whether it was Oswald or someone else in the sniper's nest doesnt affect any of that.
Marjan,
I tried looking at your previous threads in order to have a look at your theory, but the problem is that a) you seem to be the only one posting in them and b) some posts are entirely or partly blank, with a stop sign (for lack of a better term) in stead of the post you created. I am interested in your theory and thoughts regarding the assassination, but is is harder than usual to familiarize myself with them.
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Marjan,I tried looking at your previous threads in order to have a look at your theory, but the problem is that a) you seem to be the only one posting in them and b) some posts are entirely or partly blank, with a stop sign (for lack of a better term) in stead of the post you created. I am interested in your theory and thoughts regarding the assassination, but is is harder than usual to familiarize myself with them.
Yes Hickeyians like myself have left this forum a long time ago. I dont mind being alone, after all i came here mainly to learn, but other's ideas etc & help would be welcome, & i have explained i think what happened & it can be seen by others in the future.
The images in my postings keep losing their links, so i have to keep going back to re-do them. Flickr are i think ok but the images are too small. Google Sites is bad news. Google Photos seems to be behaving better last time i looked. I will have to learn the trick.
I dont have much original theory, i like Donahue & Menninger (i ordered the book on ebay this week), & McLaren (i ordered the book on ebay this week).
I have added to the timings (Z113 Z218 Z313-314-315-316-317)[edit 1june2022][Z313 was the last shot of Hickey's auto burst][his say 6 shots must have been tween say Z297 & Z313]. And the slug hole in the floor of the jfk limo. And i explained the crack dent Tague etc.
Oh, yes, i debunked the supposed historic debunking, ie the one referring to Hickey holding the AR15 in the Bronson film.
And i alerted to the existence of a superior 2019 copy of the Bronson film, better than the blurry 2017 copy, the 2019 copy will prove that Hickey did it.
And i alerted to the existence of about 6 reactions to the shots that have not been mentioned before.
And Hickeyians dont call it an assassination, it was an accidental negligent homicide, together with an attempted assassination, & of course a case of shooting a protected President during the breeding season without a permit. And Tague should have sued Hickey for the cost of a bandaid.
In the present thread i explain what really happened with Brennan, praps the most important witness that we ever had (outside the motorcade), at least re shot-1 & shot-2.
While i'm hot, Brennan mentioned that shot-2 was angled down at 30 deg, & the range to jfk was 80 to 90 yards. I calculate that....
Z113. Shot-1 was 62'/86' or 35.8deg.
Z218. Shot-2 was 68'/182' or 20.5deg (not 30deg). Brennan's 80 yards is 240' (not 182').
Z313. Shot-3 if from Oswald's window had to be 71'/248' or 16.0deg.
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Yes Hickeyians like myself have left this forum a long time ago. I dont mind being alone, after all i came here mainly to learn, but other's ideas etc & help would be welcome, & i have explained i think what happened & it can be seen by others in the future.
The images in my postings keep losing their links, so i have to keep going back to re-do them. Flickr are i think ok but the images are too small. Google Sites is bad news. Google Photos seems to be behaving better last time i looked. I will have to learn the trick.
I dont have much original theory, i like Donahue & Messenger (i ordered the book on ebay this week), & McLaren (i ordered the book on ebay this week).
I have added to the timings (Z113 Z218 Z313-314-315-316-317). And the slug hole in the floor of the jfk limo. And i explained the crack dent Tague etc.
Oh, yes, i debunked the supposed historic debunking, ie the one referring to Hickey holding the AR15 in the Bronson film.
And i alerted to the existence of a superior 2019 copy of the Bronson film, better than the blurry 2017 copy, the 2019 copy will prove that Hickey did it.
And i alerted to the existence of about 6 reactions to the shots that have not been mentioned before.
In the present thread i explain what really happened with Brennan, praps the most important witness that we ever had (outside the motorcade), at least re shot-1 & shot-2.
While i'm hot, Brennan mentioned that shot-2 was angled down at 30 deg, & the range to jfk was 80 to 90 yards. I calculate that....
Z113. Shot-1 was 62'/86' or 35.8deg.
Z218. Shot-2 was 68'/182' or 20.5deg (not 30deg). Brennan's 80 yards is 240' (not 182').
Z313. Shot-3 if from Oswald's window had to be 71'/248'
Marjan, if you can get those photos to your desktop, I can show you how to get them here.
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Marian, if you can get those photos to your desktop, I can show you how to get them here.
Ok i just then sent a pix to my desktop folder & then to my desktop display.
What then?
Usually i just select/copy/upload from an ordinary folder to flickr or google photos when prompted.
Should i do that there upload from my desktop folder?
Or to where?
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Ok i just then sent a pix to my desktop folder & then to my desktop display.
What then?
Usually i just select/copy/upload from an ordinary folder to flickr or google photos when prompted.
Should i do that there upload from my desktop folder?
Or to where?
Try postimages.org and see if you can figure it out. Just make sure to choose 'DIRECT LINK' method of delivery if you want to keep your image size intact.
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BONUS
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Keep copies of the urls so you won't have to keep uploading the same image over and over
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Try postimages.org and see if you can figure it out. Just make sure to choose 'DIRECT LINK' method of delivery if you want to keep your image size intact.
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BONUS
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Keep copies of the urls so you won't have to keep uploading the same image over and over
I signed up & uploaded some pix. I will see if it works later today. It sure is easy to use, so far. Thanx for that.
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I signed up & uploaded some pix. I will see if it works later today. It sure is easy to use, so far. Thanx for that.
I forgot to tell you you don't have to sign up
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I forgot to tell you you don't have to sign up
Oh ok. No harm dunn. I dont think i will get tons of spam.
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Here is Brennan in Z133 the first frame of Zapruder's film in his 2nd sequence. As can be seen Brennan is not looking up towards Oswald even though Oswald's shot-1 was at Z112 (shot) Z113 (slug hit) Z114 (sound hit) which was 19 frames earlier ie 1.1 sec earlier (based on 18.3 fps).
[edit 15nov2023][shot-1 was at Z102, hit at Z103, sound at Z104, which is 29 frames earlier, ie 1.7 sec earlier]
Brennan thought that it was a backfire or a firecracker. Brennan's workmate Millican also wearing a hard hat is on the extreme left in the frame, he said he heard 7 or 8 shots or something, Brennan heard only 2 shots (including the backfire).
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kc7LzYhL/brennan-z133.jpg)
Brennan in a frame from the Dorman film. Dorman was on the 4th floor 2 floors lower than Oswald.
(https://i.postimg.cc/k4KSW-JV0/Brennan-Willis-Dorman-film.jpg)
Brennan in a frame from i think the Hughes film. Toni Glover & mum are on the pillar that Brennan hid behind later.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vTv6S0tX/Brennan-the-Glovers.png)
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Brennan in Z202. Brennan can see the whole of the Stemmons sign, but his view is blocked by the bush so he couldn’t see JFK or JFK's limo at Oswald's shot-2 at Z218, which is only 16 frames later than Z202 ie 0.9 sec later.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkYh6PG7/brennan-z202.jpg)
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Brennan's eyes are 116ft from Oswald's eyes horizontally, & 43ft from JFK's eyes at the location of Oswald's shot-1 at Z113. [edit 15nov2023][i now think shot-1 was at Z102, hit at Z103]
Brennan's view of JFK & the limo at Oswald's shot-2 at Z218 is blocked by a bush, & Brennan's view towards JFK & the limo at Hickey's shot-1 2 3 4 5 at Z313
[edit 15nov2023][i now think Hickey's shots were at Z300-Z312]
is blocked by the concrete pillar, & Brennan's view of most of the underpass is blocked by the pillar. After Oswald's shot-2 Brennan ducks for cover behind the higher bit of wall. He might have collided with Toni Glover & mum getting off the wall. If anyone here knows Toni then she might remember when Brennan ducked behind. But the Glovers probly got off the wall before Oswald fired his second shot.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Nj6tWLyJ/Brennans-vision-blocked.jpg)
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Brennan's view of JFK at Oswald's shot-2 & Hickey's shot-1 2 3 4 5 are blocked by the bush & the pillar.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nc0D4wzh/Brennans-view-blocked.jpg)
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A couple of pix of Brennan.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQMz4pv1/alyeaeuinsbrehmbrennan.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/152pGVCj/Euins-Brehmand-Brennan.png)
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Marjan. I have not read it all (yet) but good job in making the pictures visible at last!
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Our last view of Brennan is in Z207, 11 frames or 0.6 sec before Oswald's shot-2 at Z218. Brennan has yet to look up at Oswald. I think that Brennan looks up at Oswald soon after Z218 & before Hickey fires at Z313. I think that Brennan looks up at say Z228, watches Oswald aiming, & then Oswald stands up at say Z268, & Brennan jumps off the wall at say Z290 & is running & ducking behind the thick part of the wall when Hickey fires at Z300-Z312. Hence Brennan doesn't hear Hickey's shot(s).
(https://i.postimg.cc/sgLG8Q5F/brennan-z207.jpg)
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Marjan. I have not read it all (yet) but good job in making the pictures visible at last!
Great. Photoimages is amazingly eezy & fast & simple. I guess that i will have to go back & re-do all of my pix in all of my postings, one day, gradually. Thank u & especially Bill Chapman for bringing the problem to my attention.
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Brennan's pozzy according to Brennan's testimony at the Warren Commission hearings March 1964, wrong wrong wrong.
And he said that when he jumped down he then found a cop, nope, firstly he hid behind the solid bit of the wall, then later he found a cop.
The westernmost 3/4" or 1" guy rod on the signal arm has got a copper & lead smear, & has lost some yellow paint, from the impact & ricochet of Oswald's shot-1, about 6" back from the collar, on the westernmost side.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bJ6fxNLm/WH17-CE-477.png)
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OSWALD'S ACTIONS [& Brennan's actions].
[Brennan sees Oswald in the window some minutes before JFK arrives.]
Z002. Sees JFK approaching along Houston St. Click…Click (ejects empty casing)(loads bullet).
[Brennan watches JFK along Houston St & turning onto Elm St.]
Z080. Aims rifle at JFK, turning onto Elm St.
Z112. Fires. Slug ricochets off signal arm.
[Brennan hears the shot & thinks it is a backfire or a firecracker, & watches JFK along Elm St.]
Z122. Click…Click.
Z152. Aims. A tree blocks a clean shot.
Z217. Fires. Slug hits JFK & Connally. The magic bullet.
[Brennan can't see JFK nor the limo beyond Z217, he hears the shot & realizes that it was a rifle shot, he now looks up & sees Oswald aiming a rifle at JFK.]
Z227. Click…Click.
Z255. Aims. Sees that JFK has been hit. Decides not to shoot (why?).
Z273. Stands up & backs away from window, looking at JFK.
[Brennan sees Oswald stand up & back away & look.]
[Brennan jumps off the wall, & ducks behind a solid section of wall 12 ft away & lays on the grass.]
Z313. Steps further back, still looking, sees Hickey shoot JFK in the head.
[Brennan is laying on grass behind the wall & doesn't hear Hickey's shot(s).]
Z322. Walks to the stairs or lift, wiping the rifle, & hides it. There is a bullet in the rifle, & Oswald has not bothered to pick up the rifle-bag nor the 3 empty casings near the window.
[Brennan leaves the wall & talks to a cop. Brennan heard 2 shots & saw none.]
edit july 2021.
I now like the following sequence of actions by Oswald & Brennan, based on Brennan's words.
LHO's are Oswald's actions. [Brennan's actions are in brackets].
The Z numbers are the frame numbers of the Zapruder footage which actually starts at Z133 in the final sequence, running at 18.3 fps.
Z numbers before Z133 are pseudo numbers based on estimates of timings.
Z000 minus a few minutes. [Brennan sees Oswald in the window some minutes before JFK arrives]
Z000 minus a few minutes. [Brennan climbs up & sits on the curved brick wall on the south-west corner of Elm & Houston]
Z002. LHO sees JFK approaching along Houston St. Click…Click (ejects empty casing)(loads bullet).
Z002. [Brennan watches JFK along Houston St & turning onto Elm St]
Z080. LHO aims rifle at JFK as limo turns onto Elm St.
Z112. LHO fires Shot-1 as the limo straightens.
Z113. The slug ricochets off the overhead signal arm & makes a hole in the floor of the limo (hole found Dec 1963).
Z112. [Brennan hears Shot-1 & thinks it is a backfire or a firecracker][he continues to watch JFK along Elm St]
Z122. LHO Click…Click.
Z133.................................... The Zapruder footage 2nd sequence starts at Z133.
Z133. [In the footage we see Brennan sitting on the wall]
Z152. LHO aims. A tree blocks a clean shot.
Z207. [Our last view in the footage of Brennan sitting on the wall][After Z207 Brennan is out of frame]
Z207. [The footage shows that at no time during Z133 to Z207 has Brennan looked up towards Oswald]
Z217. [Brennan's last view of JFK -- koz a shrub now blocks Brennan's view down Elm St]
Z217. LHO fires Shot-2. The slug hits JFK & Connally (the magic bullet).
Z218. [Brennan hears Shot-2 & realizes that it was a rifle]
Z225. [Brennan looks up & sees Oswald aiming a rifle at JFK]
Z227. LHO Click…Click.
Z255. LHO aims. Sees that JFK has been hit. Decides not to shoot his last bullet (why?).
Z268. LHO stands up & backs away from window, looking at JFK.
Z268. [Brennan sees Oswald stand up & back away & look]
Z280. [Brennan jumps off the wall, & ducks behind a solid section of wall 12 ft away & lays on the grass]
Z313. LHO steps further back from window, still looking, sees agent Hickey shoot JFK in the head.
Z313. [Brennan is laying on grass behind the wall & doesn't hear Hickey's shot(s)]
Z322. LHO walks to the stairs, wiping the rifle, & hides it. There is a 3rd bullet in the rifle. LHO does not pick up his rifle-bag nor the 3 empty casings near the window.
Z400. [Brennan leaves the wall & talks to a cop]
......................................[Brennan heard 2 shots & saw none]
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What makes you think Brennan saw Oswald, or that Oswald made any shots?
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What makes you think Brennan saw Oswald, or that Oswald made any shots?
I have never bothered to read up much on conspiracy theories that Oswald didnt fire shot-1 & shot-2, ie that there was someone else in the TSBD, or someone from another building, or grassy knoll, or picket fence, or drain entry pit, or Greer etc.
And i am only mildly interested in things that happened outside Dealey Plaza, or on some other day.
My (others mostly) ideas re the 6 or 7 shots fit exactly & simply with what we know (hole in floor of limo)(eg cracked w/s)(dent in chrome)(ricochets on tarmac & curbs)(Tague).
There are a few interesting puzzles questions mysteries remaining for sure, & i might spend time on these, but none of these are necessarily fatal to my theory.
I am of course very interested in anything possibly fatal to my theory. It only takes one good contradiction to sink it (or some part of it).
I debunked the Hickey debunking. In fact i found more evidence. The 2017 Bronson frame that supposedly shows Hickey sitting & holding the AR15 at 45 deg up at the time of Z313 i found to be at Z315 (which was already known), & in fact the 2019 superior copy shows that the AR15 is swinging up quickly which confirms a shot at Z313 rather than disproving (which nobody knew).
Oswald did not fire a third shot, not even at the same time as Hickey's shot. But Oswald could have, the bullet was in position, Oswald was in position, JFK was in position, but Oswald decided to not fire. Why? He knew that his first shot had missed. He knew that his second shot had hit. And he was satisfied. Why?
And then he saw JFK's head explode at Z313, & he probly saw that Hickey was the shooter, & he probly realized that it was an accident. It would have made an interesting court case, but Ruby spoiled that.
Getting back to Oswald i haven't looked into the paraffin test stuff, but i think that it aint foolproof. And fingerprint stuff. And timing of exit from TSBD. What was Oswald's escape plan, Mexico - Cuba?? But anyhow none of that stuff is of great concern. Oswald acted alone & everything fits, if u ignore 99% of the krapp coming from 99% of the witnesses.
I did read a bit of that stuff re Brennan's eyesight, & being able to see & identify Oswald in the window & in the line-up etc. Thats interesting but not critical. It probly just reinforces that the cops too wanted Oswald to go down. I skimmed over that stuff in the WC. And i dont think i have read one word of the other 2 investigations or whatever. Everyone starts these investigations etc by writing ASSASSINATION on the front page.
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Perhaps you should investigate exactly what the evidence is -- and more importantly what it is NOT -- before making blanket assumptions about who shot what.
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Perhaps you should investigate exactly what the evidence is -- and more importantly what it is NOT -- before making blanket assumptions about who shot what.
My ideas accord with evidence. Proof would be good, but now its too late.
If we dont make assumptions then we have over 200 gunmen firing over 300 shots.
Some spectators should have been hospitalized for smoke inhalation.
The picket fence should have been pushed over by gunmen shoving each other for the best pozzy.
There must have been a crush of look-alikes & conspirators etc trying to flee up the stairs & down the stairs.
The windshield should have been blown away.
The tarmac of Elm Street should have been torn apart by bullets.
Tague should have had his head blown off.
More realistically, the guy from Ford or someone else might still have the bloody carpet from the limo. Is there a bullet hole?
If we look under the limo in the Ford Museum will we see the hole? The floor had 1/8" steel plate installed over the top in 1964 but the hole in the thin floor pan might have been left as is.
The 6th Floor Museum might release the superior 2019 copy of the 20 Bronson frames.
Something new might turn up. And i will go along with all of the evidence.
My idea that Hickey fired an accidental auto burst of 4 or 5 shots is based on the evidence.
The bullet hole in the limo shows that Oswald's shot-1 did ricochet offa the signal arm guy rod.
Shot-2 i have ignored except to point out that it happened at Z218.
I am impressed by Connally's lapel moving in Z224. But that had to be due to backdraft, the lapel being half pushed out by the shot at Z218. The lapel is black against a black background hence the film cant show that it is half out for 6 frames.
[edit][1sept2021][The slug exited a long way away from the lapel]
[edit 1june2022][later in 2021 i found an article that detailed tests by Latimer that explained the delay of the lapel flip.]
And whether Oswald fired is not necessarily fatal to any of my theory. Who is a side issue.
If anyone had any evidence at all that my theory cant be correct then i would like to know. Any at all, that makes any word of my theory impossible or non-correct, or even highly unlikely.
Every bit of my theory is supported by evidence.
And no evidence contradicts any of it .
Witness statements are probly not real evidence, just opinions, but there must be some truth in there somewhere. They remind me of that old joke...
Sir, i have good news & i have bad news.
Captain. Whats the bad news?
All that we could find to eat is camel poo.
Captain. Whats the good news?
There's tons of it.
Re my evidence & my assumptions re Brennan's actions, i have now read excerpts from his book & i can add that when he hid behind the solid part of the wall he lay on the what he called ground. I immediately thought aha fibbing again, it had to be concrete, but it was indeed ground (ie grass), the concrete footpath is further over, & there is a few feet of grass.
[edit 1june2022][modern photos show that the grass has now been replaced with concrete.]
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My idea that Hickey fired an accidental auto burst of 4 or 5 shots is based on the evidence.
The bullet hole in the limo shows that Oswald's shot-1 did ricochet offa the signal arm guy rod.
The bullet hole doesn't show that Oswald did anything.
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The bullet hole doesn't show that Oswald did anything.
Yes, but the who is only a side issue. I mainly talk about when where how etc. Yesterday i was reading more witness statements & there are mentions of other men on the 6th floor. I reckon that many witnesses are somehow mistaken.
Smoke at the picket fence is a serious issue. I think that Hickey's say 5 shot auto burst raised dust offa leaves of bushes & trees, especially with the aid of the echo offa the fence (which aint a picket fence)(its solid, no gaps), & the carpark was dusty gravel not tarmac. There is a good explanation for everything. Lower leaves would have more dust. And the echo is low down.
Even on the 5th floor they mention dust falling from above due to the percussion of Oswald's 2 shots.
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Yes, but the who is only a side issue. I mainly talk about when where how etc.
If it's just a side issue, why do you keep referring to them as "Oswald's shots"?
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If it's just a side issue, why do you keep referring to them as "Oswald's shots"?
Koz i believe that Oswald fired 2 shots. I have red most of the theories re look alikes guys with the same name etc etc & i am not impressed. The difference tween thems that are right & thems that are wrong is in the end the ability to recognize krapp from truth. Every witness is contradicted by every other witness. Hell, in many cases the witness is contradicted by themselves. Look, i am the world authority on things Einsteinian. I only visited here koz i woz bored. I spent say 8 years on things Einsteinian, i spent say 8 weeks on things JFKian. I admit that i sat on the shoulders of geniuses in both arenas. Every day i find stuff that confirms my ideas re shot 1 2 3 (& 4 5 6 7 8 ). Today i drove into town & i picked up my ebay book THE SMOKING GUN, hence i might get a burst of enthusiasm & write some more wordage, or i might piss off & find something else to satisfy my mind.
Ok, a challenge, give me one witness re some aspect of this whole sorry saga, & i will give u a better witness that tells the truth.
Quote me one witness, any witness, & i will blow him/her into the weeds.
Anything u like.
The smoke near the picket fence.
Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Its all krapp.
And give me one fact that contradicts even one word of my theory, & i will shoot it down.
I am right, & everyone else is kidding themselves.
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Koz i believe that Oswald fired 2 shots. I have red most of the theories re look alikes guys with the same name etc etc & i am not impressed. The difference tween thems that are right & thems that are wrong is in the end the ability to recognize krapp from truth. Every witness is contradicted by every other witness. Hell, in many cases the witness is contradicted by themselves. Look, i am the world authority on things Einsteinian. I only visited here koz i woz bored. I spent say 8 years on things Einsteinian, i spent say 8 weeks on things JFKian. I admit that i sat on the shoulders of geniuses in both arenas. Every day i find stuff that confirms my ideas re shot 1 2 3 (& 4 5 6 7 8 ). Today i drove into town & i picked up my ebay book THE SMOKING GUN, hence i might get a burst of enthusiasm & write some more wordage, or i might piss off & find something else to satisfy my mind.
Ok, a challenge, give me one witness re some aspect of this whole sorry saga, & i will give u a better witness that tells the truth.
Quote me one witness, any witness, & i will blow him/her into the weeds.
Anything u like.
The smoke near the picket fence.
Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Its all krapp.
And give me one fact that contradicts even one word of my theory, & i will shoot it down.
I am right, & everyone else is kidding themselves.
"Look, i am the world authority on things Einsteinian."
:D :D :D
Where might one find one of your peer-reviewed articles on Einstein Ian?
I am right, & everyone else is kidding themselves.
You have definitely come to the right forum.
"Ok, a challenge, give me one witness re some aspect of this whole sorry saga, & i will give u a better witness that tells the truth."
Rose Cherami(e)
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"Look, i am the world authority on things Einsteinian."
:D :D :D
Where might one find one of your peer-reviewed articles on Einstein Ian?
I am right, & everyone else is kidding themselves.
You have definitely come to the right forum.
"Ok, a challenge, give me one witness re some aspect of this whole sorry saga, & i will give u a better witness that tells the truth."
Rose Cherami(e)
I googled that. Interesting. But there will be a good answer why that Rose Cheramie story is wrong.
Anyhow, as i said, give me one witness, preferably one that impinges on my own storyline.
And i will throw in an answer to anything Einsteinian for free.
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I googled that. Interesting. But there will be a good answer why that Rose Cheramie story is wrong.
Anyhow, as i said, give me one witness, preferably one that impinges on my own storyline.
And i will throw in an answer to anything Einsteinian for free.
You have failed the challenge :-[
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You have failed the challenge :-[
The Rose story is full of krapp. I spent about 15 minutes googling & reading articles pointing out the krapp.
However she was not a witness to the shootings. She was not in Dealey Plaza. So, quote to me your favorite witness relating to your favorite storyline & i will point out the errors.
And i will throw in an Einsteinian answer or two for free if u have any science problems.
Its amazing how someone as clever as i can deduce that Oswald decided not to fire his last remaining 3rd bullet as soon as Oswald saw the results of his 2nd shot. Even tho Brennan swore that Oswald in effect decided after Hickey fired. Brilliant deduction by myself. Columbo would be impressed. But today i am going to read McLaren's book -- THE SMOKING GUN.
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Koz i believe that Oswald fired 2 shots. I have red most of the theories re look alikes guys with the same name etc etc & i am not impressed.
I've read all the theories that Oswald fired shots and I am not impressed.
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Its amazing how someone as clever as i can deduce that Oswald decided not to fire his last remaining 3rd bullet as soon as Oswald saw the results of his 2nd shot. Even tho Brennan swore that Oswald in effect decided after Hickey fired. Brilliant deduction by myself. Columbo would be impressed. But today i am going to read McLaren's book -- THE SMOKING GUN.
:D
You're not "Einstein-ian", you're "Doyle-ian".
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:D
I've read all the theories that Oswald fired shots and I am not impressed.
You're not "Einstein-ian", you're "Doyle-ian".
I am an Aetherian the enemy of Einsteinians. But the correct words are Aetherist & Einsteinist, my mistake. The suffix ....ian is ok to use if referring to say the beliefs held, ....ist if referring to the person. Not that anyone but myself follows thems rules. We are all happy to use the word Christian, which i suppose should be Christist. Anyhow, i have indeed called myself a Hickeyian, i suppose i should have said Hickeyist, & our faith is Hickeyism, & our canon is Hickeyian.
And i am at the same time an Oswaldist, of the Oswaldism faith, & beliefs/canon is Oswaldian (this refers to the first two shots).
For sure its difficult to decide what to believe re much of the witnesses re Oswald. In the end the simple explanations impress me, & they would impress Sherlock Holmes. Oswald did it & he acted alone, its elementary.
McLaren in The Smoking Gun (i read it yesterday) has no doubts that Oswald acted alone. And dismisses all conspiracies in about one page.
McLaren mentions Brennan about 6 times, but doesnt mention that Brennan changed his story every time he opened his mouth.
I didnt learn much when reading TSG, i had already seen McLaren's documentary etc. But there were some good items.
Hill told Bobby over the phone that ..... THERE HAS BEEN AN ACCIDENT. Wow, an accident. Not .. There has been an assassination attempt. Or ... The boss is dead. Or ... We have been hit.
Jackie kept referring to ... Them. And ..... They.
Jackie said .... Oh, Mr Hill, whats going to happen to you now?
Powers said to Donahue ... You know i never talk about the tragic day in Dallas... I admire you for all the research you are doing & all that, but there is nothing i can say about, you know, the assassination. I'm awfully sorry..... I admire the pursuit you are doing.
McLaren's errors.
Colin thort that Oswald's shot-1 hit the tarmac, & then somehow hurt Tague. But we now know that Oswald shot-1 ricocheted off the signal arm guy rod, & bits hit JFK in the back of the head, & the main remnant slug put a hole in the floor of the limo. Tague was stung by a fragment of lead or concrete from a ricochet of Hickey's shot-1 or 2 (Hickey fired at least 4 shots).
Colin said that Hickey's shot (Colin agreed with Donahue that Hickey fired only one shot) hit JFK (ok), but he ignored that the remnant slug then cracked the windshield.
Colin i think ignored the dent in the chrome strip above the mirror. The dent was due to Hickey's second last shot (his shot-3 or 4).
[edit 1june2022][Hickey's last shot of his 6 shot auto burst hit jfk at Z312-313, the first shot was at say Z297, chrome trim dented at Z310.]
I might contact McLaren & see what he thinks about my Hickeyian auto burst of 4 or 5 or even 6 shots. I think McLaren would agree. I am surprised that McLaren hadnt thort of that himself, he mentions that the AR15 was automatic at least 6 times, but McLaren somehow thort that one bullet could blow away a half of JFK's head, crack the windshield, dent the chrome strip, hit the tarmac & curb of Elm St, hit the grass, hit the curb of Main St, & draw blood on Tague's right cheek, & praps put a crater in the vertical corner face of the underpass pier, & leev a 52 grain remnant (found by Lester in 1974) of the original 55 grains on top of the underpass near Commerce St.
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Gentlemen,
Anyone using the deposition of the 'witness' BRENNAN should be aware of the fact that
1) the witness lied when it suited his own purposes
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2) the 'observations' of BRENNAN are impossible considering the configuration of the TSBD in general and the 'sniper's nest' in particular.
I advise anyone interested in the case to carefully read his deposition before counsel. It is full of contradictions, impossible statements and things he made up as he went along.
This witness, the least credible person in the world according to Harold Weisberg , is one of two of the Commission's star witnesses. The other one is Mrs. Helen Markham, she too lied under oath (without any consequence, she wasn't charged with perjury.)
The Warren Commission's conclusions are therefore based on shaky witnesses and perjury.
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Gentlemen,
Anyone using the deposition of the 'witness' BRENNAN should be aware of the fact that
1) the witness lied when it suited his own purposes
, 2) the 'observations' of BRENNAN are impossible considering the configuration of the TSBD in general and the 'sniper's nest' in particular.
I advise anyone interested in the case to carefully read his deposition before counsel. It is full of contradictions, impossible statements and things he made up as he went along.
This witness, the least credible person in the world according to Harold Weisberg , is one of two of the Commission's star witnesses. The other one is Mrs. Helen Markham, she too lied under oath (without any consequence, she wasn't charged with perjury.)
The Warren Commission's conclusions are therefore based on shaky witnesses and perjury.
The Warren Commission's conclusions are based on their knowledge (or at least Warren's knowledge) that Hickey accidentally killed JFK. And Warren knew that Oswald fired 2 shots, but Warren had to show that he fired 3. I reckon that some Commissioners were ignorant. And it appears that LBJ might have been ignorant, surprisingly. Jackie was not, & Bobby was not.
And Warren knew that Oswald's shot-1 was at about Z103 but Warren preferred to show that it was at about Z180 (needs checking) to help to hide the Secret Service Agents' very slow response. There might have been an agreement tween the FBI & Secret Service & others & Warren to save embarrassment re actions on the day & elsewhere.
Brennan was in good position to see Oswald, the distance tween Brennan's eyes & Oswald's eyes was 62' vertically & 116' horizontally, which is about 29deg. Brennan made public statements etc on say 10 occasions, & his story changes. He was of course threatened & bullied, so i wouldn’t want to blame him much, & i wouldn’t say that it suited his purpose. Markham too i suppose, but i don’t have a high level of interest in things that happened outside Dealey Plaza, or things that happened on some other day. Our job is to decide which bits of Brennan's & Markham & Co verbiage is true.
Me myself i am sort of done here on this forum. I have learnt about as much as i need, & i have explained the full story re the shots. I am not interested in changing anyone's opinions, & i am not interested in hanging around & correcting errors. I might have more to say after i read Menninger's & Donahue's book MORTAL ERROR later this week. And if & when The 6th Floor Museum allow public access to the 2019 copies of Bronson's 20 frames – a month ago here i added to the proof that Hickey did the dirty deed after i saw a copy of about just 1% of the area of one of the 20 new frames.
It is all elementary my dear van de Wiel.
Re that there 116' -- i based that on an exact measurement made by someone i cant remember, they measured 115' from Brennan to the TSBD, & i added 1' koz my 116' is to Oswald's eyes. But i just then realized that the WC had Brennan sitting on the wall at its closest point to the TSBD, whereas he was actually sitting say 30deg around further (on the circular wall)(ie he was facing towards the center of the street intersection), in which case praps he was say 2' further away from Oswald which makes it 118'. Brennan & the geeza from the WC had on the previous day paced it to be 97', whatever "it" is. I had earlier scaled my "it" to be 112', from a rough plan. Not important, just saying.
I googled Harold Weisberg. Interesting. But i wont be buying any of his books. I have been reading plenty re the WC shortcomings, lack of proper investigation, bullying, leading questions, avoidance of proper witnesses etc etc. Weisberg i believe has nothing to add as to what actually happened in Dealey Plaza. And there were no conspiracies, i mean conspiracies that played a part in what happened on the day, alltho Oswald might have had previous contact/business with the CIA or FBI. And of course we did have a conspiracy to cover up Hickey's guilt etc, after.
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Can we perhaps move forward Marjan, by replacing the name 'Oswald' with the more neutral 'the assassin(s)' and not relying on the statements of the least credible person in the world? The pseudo-witness BRENNAN is a proven liar. Instead we should turn our attention to the witness KELLERMAN who said a great 'flurry of shots' came into the limousine at the time of the head shot.
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Can we perhaps move forward Marjan, by replacing the name 'Oswald' with the more neutral 'the assassin(s)' and not relying on the statements of the least credible person in the world? The pseudo-witness BRENNAN is a proven liar. Instead we should turn our attention to the witness KELLERMAN who said a great 'flurry of shots' came into the limousine at the time of the head shot.
I have no doubt that Oswald fired the shot-1 & shot-2. And there was no-one else on the 6th floor. And there was no look-alike. No other snipers anywhere in Dealey Plaza.
Re Kellerman & the flurry of shots, if u do a search here for flurry u will see that i have already gone into all of that. Hickey fired an auto burst of at least 4 shots, probably 5, possibly 6.
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Mork Marjan & the Athenians
https://imperiaverse.fandom.com/wiki/Aetherians#:~:text=The%20Aetherians%20%28Ae%27th%27a%20in%20Aetherian%29%20are%20a%20Humanoid,Empire%3B%20while%2C%20also%20populating%20several%20independent%20interstellar%20nations.
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Mork Marjan & the Athenians
https://imperiaverse.fandom.com/wiki/Aetherians#:~:text=The%20Aetherians%20%28Ae%27th%27a%20in%20Aetherian%29%20are%20a%20Humanoid,Empire%3B%20while%2C%20also%20populating%20several%20independent%20interstellar%20nations.
I like that. Aetherians, or the Aetha, forming the Aethan Federation. The mortal enemy of Einsteinists.
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Wesley Fisk & Dr Alex Krstik have looked into the magic bullet. I havent seen this youtube before. The good bit is at 1:16:00.
JFK Beyond The Magic Bullet (2004) 9,069 viewsDec 18, 2018
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Unsolved History is history the way it was, Through detailed examination of archeological and forensic evidence, existing photographs, authentic artifacts, and carefully selected interviews from eyewitnesses and experts - events are reconstructed and historical questions are finally answered. Join the investigators of Unsolved History for a final, definitive look at the assassination of President Kennedy in this special, extended episode. After 40 years of heated debates and accusations, the physical evidence that remains from that day in Dallas is all that can be objectively examined. Watch as experts scrutinize film footage and authentic photos taken the day of the assassination for uncovered clues. The alleged assassin's timeline is broken down to the nearest minute to show where he was at the time of the shooting - and whether or not the "accepted" version of Oswald's plot holds true. Listen in on an obscure audio recording that may shed light on the identity of the true triggerman and examine Exhibit #399 - the so-called "magic bullet," the most controversial piece of evidence. It's an in-depth examination of the unanswered questions, conspiracy theories and physical evidence behind the shots that changed history.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxpaye7ClP4_PECOxPVTqF3G7Eqcam0Gl
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Does this show Brennan crouched down next to the wall that he was sitting on?
And possibly a 2nd person (Euins?) is crouched in front of Brennan.
I believed that Brennan & Euins (after the shots) crouched or lay behind the high thick part of that block wall, ie say 14 ft further away than where shown in this photo (not very important).
(https://i.postimg.cc/3xGNkgVp/brennan-crouched-near-wall-darnell-film.jpg)
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OSWALD'S ACTIONS [& Brennan's actions].
I now like the following sequence of actions by Oswald & Brennan, based on Brennan's words.
LHO's are Oswald's actions. [Brennan's actions are in brackets].
The Z numbers are the frame numbers of the Zapruder footage which actually starts at Z133 in the final sequence, running at 18.3 fps.
Z numbers before Z133 are pseudo numbers based on estimates of timings.
Z000 minus a few minutes. [Brennan sees Oswald in the window some minutes before JFK arrives]
Z000 minus a few minutes. [Brennan climbs up & sits on the curved brick wall on the south-west corner of Elm & Houston]
Z002. LHO sees JFK approaching along Houston St. Click…Click (ejects empty casing)(loads bullet).
Z002. [Brennan watches JFK along Houston St & turning onto Elm St]
Z080. LHO aims rifle at JFK as limo turns onto Elm St.
Z102. LHO fires Shot-1 as the limo straightens.
Z103. The slug ricochets off the overhead signal arm & makes a hole in the floor of the limo (hole found Dec 1963).
Z104. [Brennan hears Shot-1 & thinks it is a backfire or a firecracker][he continues to watch JFK along Elm St]
Z112. LHO Click…Click.
Z133.................................... The Zapruder footage 2nd sequence starts at Z133.
Z133. [In the footage we see Brennan sitting on the wall]
Z152. LHO aims. A tree blocks a clean shot.
Z207. [Our last view in the footage of Brennan sitting on the wall][After Z207 Brennan is out of frame]
Z207. [The footage shows that at no time during Z133 to Z207 has Brennan looked up towards Oswald]
Z217. [Brennan's last view of JFK -- koz a shrub now blocks Brennan's view down Elm St]
Z216. LHO fires Shot-2. The slug hits JFK & Connally at Z218 (the magic bullet).
Z218. [Brennan hears Shot-2 & realizes that it was a rifle]
Z225. [Brennan looks up & sees Oswald aiming a rifle at JFK]
Z227. LHO Click…Click.
Z255. LHO aims. Sees that JFK has been hit. Decides not to shoot his last bullet (why?).
Z268. LHO stands up & backs away from window, looking at JFK.
Z268. [Brennan sees Oswald stand up & back away & look]
Z280. [Brennan jumps off the wall, & ducks behind a solid section of wall 12 ft away & lays on the grass]
Z313. LHO steps further back from window, still looking, sees agent Hickey shoot JFK in the head.
Z312. [Brennan is laying on grass behind the wall & doesn't hear Hickey's shot(s) starting at Z300-Z312 ]
Z322. LHO walks to the stairs, wiping the rifle, & hides it. There is a 3rd bullet in the rifle. LHO does not pick up his rifle-bag nor the 3 empty casings near the window.
Z400. [Brennan leaves the wall & talks to a cop]
......................................[Brennan heard 2 shots & saw none]