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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 12:12:22 AM

Title: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 12:12:22 AM
Whenever the Kleins microfilm is being mentioned someone says that it's "missing", and besides John Armstrong saying it is, is there any other evidence confirming the microfilm being "missing"?

And I have been told that "Appeal to Authority" is bad! LOL

JohnhM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 12:19:40 AM
Oh well, JohnhM

How does one provide evidence that something isn't where it is supposed to be?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 30, 2023, 12:29:02 AM
If Armstrong was wrong, I’m sure some LN evangelist would have found the microfilm by now.
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 12:37:19 AM
If Armstrong was wrong,

So you of all people are relying on an "Appeal to Authority" LOL

JohnM

Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 30, 2023, 12:41:03 AM
So you of all people are relying on an "Appeal to Authority" LOL

No. Whether Armstrong is right or not, you are still unable to authenticate the Waldman exhibits.

But as always, nice try.
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 12:49:16 AM
No. Whether Armstrong is right or not, you are still unable to authenticate the Waldman exhibits.

But as always, nice try.

Well, you've got to give him some credit, because he's desperately trying.....   :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 12:49:51 AM
Whether Armstrong is right or not,.....(irrelevant diversion)

So you don't know if Armstrong is right or not. LOL!

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 30, 2023, 12:52:55 AM
So you don't know if Armstrong is right or not. LOL!

Correct. And you don’t know if Bugliosi is right or not. LOL!
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 01:07:27 AM
Correct. And you don’t know if Bugliosi is right or not. LOL!

I know Bugs made some mistakes but I believe overall based on the evidence that he constructed a good book.

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 01:09:44 AM
I know Bugs made some mistakes but I believe overall based on the evidence that he constructed a good book.

JohnM

And to reach that conclusion, you have of course researched every claim made in his book?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 01:13:57 AM
And to reach that conclusion,....

Reach what conclusion?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 01:22:25 AM
Reach what conclusion?

This one

I know Bugs made some mistakes but I believe overall based on the evidence that he constructed a good book.

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 01:29:00 AM
This one

What conclusion do you think I reached?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 01:31:57 AM
What conclusion do you think I reached?

JohnM

The one you told us you reached;

I know Bugs made some mistakes but I believe overall based on the evidence that he constructed a good book.

JohnM

You don't remember your own conclusions?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 01:36:49 AM
The one you told us you reached;

You don't remember your own conclusions?

My initial post is clear and requires no clarification.
If you don't understand what is written then that's not my problem.
"End of line."

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 01:40:11 AM
My initial post is clear and requires no clarification.
If you don't understand what is written then that's not my problem.
"End of line."

JohnM

You concluded that "based on the evidence that he [Bugs] constructed a good book.

How did you come to that conclusion?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 01:44:59 AM
You concluded that "based on the evidence that he [Bugs] constructed a good book.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Beyond what I wrote, I don't understand what you are asking?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 01:49:32 AM
Beyond what I wrote, I don't understand what you are asking?

JohnM

Well, that would fit the average LN profile...

But how did you conclude that Bugs' "constructed a good book."?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 01:55:52 AM
But how did you conclude that Bugs' "constructed a good book."?

As I said, "based on the evidence"
Either add something new or I'm not responding.

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 01:59:36 AM
As I said, "based on the evidence"
Either add something new or I'm not responding.

JohnM

Based on what evidence? And how did you determine that evidence to be authentic?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 30, 2023, 02:12:45 AM
I know Bugs made some mistakes but I believe overall based on the evidence that he constructed a good book.

Of course you do.
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 02:23:19 AM
And how did you determine that evidence to be authentic?

Sorry Martin that's not how it works, if I have any reason to consider the evidence to be inauthentic, then please explain in detail why?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 02:26:50 AM
Sorry Martin that's not how it works, if I have any reason to consider the evidence to be inauthentic, then please explain in detail why?

JohnM

Sorry Martin that's not how it works,

That's exactly how it works. You claim to have concluded, based on the evidence, that Bug's book is a "good book"

That justifies the question what evidence it is you are talking about.
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 02:34:15 AM
Sorry Martin that's not how it works,

That's exactly how it works. You claim to have concluded, based on the evidence, that Bug's book is a "good book"

That justifies the question what evidence it is you are talking about.

The same evidence that two separate inquiries 15 years apart concluded that Oswald pulled the trigger, now explain why it's your opinion that this evidence is not authentic?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 04:14:27 AM
The same evidence that two separate inquiries 15 years apart concluded that Oswald pulled the trigger, now explain why it's your opinion that this evidence is not authentic?

JohnM

So, you don't actually know yourself, Your opinion is just based on a double appeal to authority. Wow!

now explain why it's your opinion that this evidence is not authentic?

Because Swiss cheese has less holes in it.
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 30, 2023, 04:18:27 AM
It is the responsibility of the person invoking something as evidence to authenticate it. If he cannot do so, then there is reasonable doubt.
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 04:23:46 AM
It is the responsibility of the person invoking something as evidence to authenticate it. If he cannot do so, then there is reasonable doubt.

You can't say something like that to a LN, John. They don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 05:12:58 AM
So, you don't actually know yourself, Your opinion is just based on a double appeal to authority. Wow!

now explain why it's your opinion that this evidence is not authentic?

Because Swiss cheese has less holes in it.

"double appeal to authority" LOL

Quote
Because Swiss cheese has less holes in it.

I didn't ask for an inappropriate analogy?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 05:17:57 AM
"double appeal to authority" LOL

I didn't ask for an inappropriate analogy?

JohnM

I didn't ask for an inappropriate analogy?

Why do I care what you asked for?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on June 30, 2023, 05:25:23 AM
I didn't ask for an inappropriate analogy?

Why do I care what you asked for?

Then why answer me in the first place?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHAQ2ZpUYAIc7S9.jpg)

JohnM

Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on June 30, 2023, 10:51:13 AM
Then why answer me in the first place?

JohnM

How else would you know that I don't care what you ask me?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on July 04, 2023, 10:51:29 PM
So far there is only 1 conspiracy theorist who claims that the microfilm is "missing", is that right?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 04, 2023, 11:15:39 PM
So far there is only 1 conspiracy theorist who claims that the microfilm is "missing", is that right?

JohnM

Jumping to conclusions again?

How would anybody know how many conspiracy theorist claim that? Did you ask them all?

One thing is for sure by now; the Klein's microfilm isn't available for viewing!
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on July 04, 2023, 11:46:53 PM
One thing is for sure by now; the Klein's microfilm isn't available for viewing!

Based on what, did you draw that conclusion?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 04, 2023, 11:55:35 PM
Based on what, did you draw that conclusion?

JohnM

Who said that it was a conclusion?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on July 05, 2023, 12:00:59 AM
Who said that it was a conclusion?

So, you're not so sure now.

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 05, 2023, 12:02:06 AM
So, you're not so sure now.

JohnM

Sure about what?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on July 05, 2023, 12:05:03 AM
Sure about what?

One thing is for sure by now; the Klein's microfilm isn't available for viewing!

Please explain?

JohnM
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 05, 2023, 12:08:12 AM
Please explain?

JohnM

To you? Why?
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on July 05, 2023, 12:18:02 AM
To you? Why?

Ok, I'm fine with your lack of a response.

JohnM

Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 05, 2023, 12:38:51 AM
Ok, I'm fine with your lack of a response.

JohnM

Maybe one day, I'll tell you
Title: Re: Is their any evidence that the Kleins microfilm "missing"?
Post by: John Mytton on July 05, 2023, 12:53:37 AM
Maybe one day, I'll tell you

Maybe one day, you'll tell me what??

JohnM