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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on April 18, 2022, 11:05:48 AM
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Oswald says "they've taken me in because of the fact I lived in the Soviet Union, I'm just a Patsy", even though Oswald gives a reason why he's a Patsy, a lot of CT's still endorse Oswald's Patsy comment as having a different meaning but unfortunately what that meaning is, usually isn't defined.
Anyway, Oswald gave his Patsy comment on the Friday* yet they still let loose cannon Oswald walk through Media infested hallways and then they give Oswald the platform of a Midnight Press Conference, so after Oswald proves that he is willing to spill the beans, they still let Oswald speak to the Press?
This proves in reality that the Dallas Police couldn't give a stuff what Oswald said because even by then, Oswald's sole guilt was more than established.
And don't forget they let Oswald speak to his wife.
And they let Oswald speak to his mother.
And they let Oswald speak to his brother.
Some conspiracy?!
*7:50 P.M. Friday 22nd
Lineup for Witness J. D. Davis
"I have been dressed differently than the other three. . . . Don't you know the difference? I still have on the same clothes I was arrested in. The other two were prisoners, already in jail." Seth Kantor, reporter, heard Oswald yell, "I am only a patsy."
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
JohnM
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Question.... How does one silence a patsy?
Answer....
(https://i.imgur.com/L2H9oqk.png)
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Question.... How does one silence a patsy?
Answer....
(https://i.imgur.com/L2H9oqk.png)
Nice photo, the idea that the Dallas Police was behind or even partly behind the Assassination is easily refuted with a wall of cameras!
JohnM
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What if the Dallas police realize Oswald is clearly an agent of (at least one) United States intelligence services. So they throw him out there to the media and absolve themselves from the duty to cover up Oswald's ass. See what sticks to the wall when he faces questions.
Clearly Oswald's statements to the press had some cause for alarm, somewhere, because Ruby was told to kill the man.
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What if the Dallas police realize Oswald is clearly an agent of (at least one) United States intelligence services. So they throw him out there to the media and absolve themselves from the duty to cover up Oswald's ass. See what sticks to the wall when he faces questions.
Clearly Oswald's statements to the press had some cause for alarm, somewhere, because Ruby was told to kill the man.
Oswald didn't spill the beans because he had no beans to spill.
It was a basic case, a man kills another man with a rifle, then he kills a cop while in flight and when cornered he assaults the first Policeman and pulls out his gun and tries to kill another cop.
Oswald in the Walker note says "if" I'm taken prisoner, Oswald had planned to go down fighting if and when he was captured for Walker's death and this same mentality manifested itself as reality on the 22nd in the Texas Theatre.
11. If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going to the city (right in beginning of the city after crossing the bridge).
Oswald Walker note.
JohnM
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Oswald says "they've taken me in because of the fact I lived in the Soviet Union, I'm just a Patsy", even though Oswald gives a reason why he's a Patsy, a lot of CT's still endorse Oswald's Patsy comment as having a different meaning but unfortunately what that meaning is, usually isn't defined.
Anyway, Oswald gave his Patsy comment on the Friday* yet they still let loose cannon Oswald walk through Media infested hallways and then they give Oswald the platform of a Midnight Press Conference, so after Oswald proves that he is willing to spill the beans, they still let Oswald speak to the Press?
This proves in reality that the Dallas Police couldn't give a stuff what Oswald said because even by then, Oswald's sole guilt was more than established.
And don't forget they let Oswald speak to his wife.
And they let Oswald speak to his mother.
And they let Oswald speak to his brother.
Some conspiracy?!
*7:50 P.M. Friday 22nd
Lineup for Witness J. D. Davis
"I have been dressed differently than the other three. . . . Don't you know the difference? I still have on the same clothes I was arrested in. The other two were prisoners, already in jail." Seth Kantor, reporter, heard Oswald yell, "I am only a patsy."
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
JohnM
they give Oswald the platform of a Midnight Press Conference,
Yes in deed they did!....And Jack Ruby was there with his pistol in his pocket.....But he could not push his way through the crowd of reporters so he couldn't get close enough to shoot Lee Oswald.....He had to wait about 35 hours until he performed the hit.
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Oswald says "they've taken me in because of the fact I lived in the Soviet Union, I'm just a Patsy", even though Oswald gives a reason why he's a Patsy, a lot of CT's still endorse Oswald's Patsy comment as having a different meaning but unfortunately what that meaning is, usually isn't defined.
Anyway, Oswald gave his Patsy comment on the Friday* yet they still let loose cannon Oswald walk through Media infested hallways and then they give Oswald the platform of a Midnight Press Conference, so after Oswald proves that he is willing to spill the beans, they still let Oswald speak to the Press?
This proves in reality that the Dallas Police couldn't give a stuff what Oswald said because even by then, Oswald's sole guilt was more than established.
And don't forget they let Oswald speak to his wife.
And they let Oswald speak to his mother.
And they let Oswald speak to his brother.
Some conspiracy?!
*7:50 P.M. Friday 22nd
Lineup for Witness J. D. Davis
"I have been dressed differently than the other three. . . . Don't you know the difference? I still have on the same clothes I was arrested in. The other two were prisoners, already in jail." Seth Kantor, reporter, heard Oswald yell, "I am only a patsy."
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
JohnM
"Patsy" is a convenient term, taken out of context but provided by Oswald, for what he is - someone being manipulated and set-up. "Fall guy" or "scapegoat" would work but Oswald coined a more appropriate term.
As a patsy, Oswald had no hand in the actual shooting of the President. He has no idea what actually happened so what can he say. If he knows, for a fact, that someone else shot JFK and JBC, why would he start shooting his mouth off about his own involvement without legal representation?
You seem to imagine a man who knows a lot more than he does about what's going on.
Oswald's real concern should be the Tippit murder.
Also, he doesn't realise he's going to be dead very shortly, he's settling in for the long game and seems almost exclusively concerned with getting legal representation and denying he shot the President. As a patsy he may well believe the investigation into the assassination will reveal the real shooter.
A last point...there is no classification of Cters. It is a very wide spectrum of opinions with some apparently believing ALL the Dallas Police were involved, ALL the FBI were involved and ALL the Secret service were involved, not to mention a great many others, and it seems like your post is aimed at these people.
But not all CTers are the same.
There is a very straight-forward possibility as to why Oswald would've been given "the platform of a Midnight Press Conference".
Whoever had the final say on whether or not the press conference was to take place wasn't a conspirator. It's that simple.
"This proves in reality that the Dallas Police couldn't give a stuff what Oswald said because even by then, Oswald's sole guilt was more than established."
I think this is very true. I get the impression that when Oswald was arrested in the TT many of the rank-and-file DP officers automatically assumed he was the sole assassin of JFK. Not because of some sinister conspiratorial plot but because of human nature. And as the impressive amount of evidence that seemed to point to Oswald's guilt was amassed, the more it confirmed this assumption.
The bias against Commie Cop Killer Oswald most certainly skewed an already profoundly incompetent investigation.
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As Bugliosi noted, if there had been a conspiracy there would have been a car waiting for LHO to drive him to his death. They never would have relied on a nut like Jack Ruby to do the job with so many things that could have gone wrong.
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As Bugliosi noted, if there had been a conspiracy there would have been a car waiting for LHO to drive him to his death. They never would have relied on a nut like Jack Ruby to do the job with so many things that could have gone wrong.
...there would have been a car waiting for LHO to drive him to his death.
That screams conspiracy.
Have a cop race in to find Oswald with the rifle (carefully planted afterwards) in his hand and plug him on the spot.
Better yet, have Ruby race in.
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...there would have been a car waiting for LHO to drive him to his death.
That screams conspiracy.
Have a cop race in to find Oswald with the rifle (carefully planted afterwards) in his hand and plug him on the spot.
Better yet, have Ruby race in.
Have a cop race in to find Oswald with the rifle (carefully planted afterwards) in his hand and plug him on the spot.
You're just wee bit off center there Dan.....
The plotters thought that Lee would plant the rifle AFTER he heard the shot...... But Lee didn't stick to the script, he buried the carcano beneath the boxes before he went down to the first floor.
Had Lee stuck to the stage play he would have been behind the SE corner window with the spent shells, and the rifle in his hands ...And he would have been shot dead by "an alert Secret Service agent" (at least that's who would would have been given a medal for his alert action.)
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As Bugliosi noted, if there had been a conspiracy there would have been a car waiting for LHO to drive him to his death. They never would have relied on a nut like Jack Ruby to do the job with so many things that could have gone wrong.
There was also a legitimate opportunity to "silence" Oswald in the Texas Theatre when he resisted arrest and pulled a gun on an officer. A golden opportunity but those sly conspirators decide to arrest him, allow him to speak freely to the press, then recruit an unstable nut and rely on him to spend the rest of his life in jail without talking. What a plan. This is all a great example of no good deed going unpunished. The DPD attempted to be as transparent as possible. That resulted in chaos that unintentionally created security risks.
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Nice photo, the idea that the Dallas Police was behind or even partly behind the Assassination is easily refuted with a wall of cameras!
So...police departments act as a unified Borg collective and the idea that there could have been rogue Kennedy hating individuals who conspired to do him in was just simply impossible.
W. Tracy Parnell on Today at 02:34:57 PM-----
As Bugliosi noted, if there had been a conspiracy there would have been a car waiting for LHO to drive him to his death. They never would have relied on a nut like Jack Ruby to do the job with so many things that could have gone wrong.
They?
The invention of a phantom conspiracy and speculating their woulda- coulda- shoulda decisions are in themselves just as whacky as the shooters in the sewers stuff.
There was also a legitimate opportunity to "silence" Oswald in the Texas Theatre when he resisted arrest and pulled a gun on an officer. A golden opportunity but those sly conspirators decide to arrest him, allow him to speak freely to the press...
Smith...Smith...Smith,
Perhaps this opportunity was not all that 'legitimate' because you were not friggen there and know not what might have really happened.
One thing for the record...there was no record kept of the other theater patrons or testimony from them.
How come? As I recall-the list of patrons disappeared along with a record of license plate numbers in the TSBD parking lot and the other residents of Oswald's rooming house.
No matter how you slice it.. it always comes back to square one...the case against Oswald isn't squat.
Oswald was never 'allowed to speak freely to the press'...Another Smith fib.
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Why did they let a Patsy have a Press Conference?
Another peanut post. Oswald never had a press conference.
As stated in the clip 1:47..it was a parade [just for show]
Everybody knows what he meant when he said "I'm just a patsy".
So what's the point?
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Another peanut post. Oswald never had a press conference.
As stated in the clip 1:47..it was a parade [just for show]
Everybody knows what he meant when he said "I'm just a patsy".
So what's the point?
.it was a parade [just for show]....
It wasn't "just for show".... It was to allow Jack Ruby the opportunity to silence Lee Oswald, but Ruby couldn't fight his way to the front of the mob of reporters to a place where he could be sure of a lethal shot.
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There was also a legitimate opportunity to "silence" Oswald in the Texas Theatre when he resisted arrest and pulled a gun on an officer.
Maybe they hadn’t yet made up the story about what happened in the theater at that point.
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There was also a legitimate opportunity to "silence" Oswald in the Texas Theatre when he resisted arrest and pulled a gun on an officer. A golden opportunity but those sly conspirators decide to arrest him, allow him to speak freely to the press, then recruit an unstable nut and rely on him to spend the rest of his life in jail without talking. What a plan. This is all a great example of no good deed going unpunished. The DPD attempted to be as transparent as possible. That resulted in chaos that unintentionally created security risks.
100 percent spot on.
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100 percent spot on.
Actually...100% spotty.
Let me show you kids something and this is real---
A new investigation has been launched into the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department to expose the so-called “gangs” that have taken root among police officers in LA. Featuring names like “Executioners” and “Banditos,” these underground groups have been accused of responsibility for 19 murders, all of the victims men of color.
Jimmy discusses the genteel way these murderous police gangs are described as “cliques” and some of the common misconceptions about police culture.
No doubt you have seen Magnum Force ...a Clint Eastwood film about a rogue motorcycle police gang.
those sly conspirators decide to arrest him
It is stupidly stated that the whole Dallas police department must have been in on it when just a few cops were.
Curry and Fritz?---Puppets following orders from the high command.
Some skulls are just too thick to reach into.
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Let me show you kids something and this is real---
No doubt you have seen Magnum Force ...a Clint Eastwood film about a rogue motorcycle police gang.
You do realize that Clint Eastwood isn't a "real" cop and Magnum Force is just a film with actors?
JohnM
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You do realize that Clint Eastwood isn't a "real" cop and Magnum Force is just a film with actors?
Keep trolling along :D
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The Press Conference gave Ruby his first chance to silence Oswald and the only thing Ruby could muster up was his correction about it being " The Fair Play for Cuba ". How did Ruby know that ?
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The Press Conference gave Ruby his first chance to silence Oswald and the only thing Ruby could muster up was his correction about it being " The Fair Play for Cuba ". How did Ruby know that ?
the only thing Ruby could muster up was his correction about it being " The Fair Play for Cuba ". How did Ruby know that ?
Do you know Jack Ruby's exact words, when he corrected Henry Wade ??
And was Ruby really trying to correct Henry Wade?... Or was he making sure that Wade knew that he was there in the crowd, but stuck at the back of the crowd... Did Ruby want Wade to know that he had a good excuse for not shooting Lee Oswald at that "press conference"?
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.it was a parade [just for show]....
It wasn't "just for show".... It was to allow Jack Ruby the opportunity to silence Lee Oswald, but Ruby couldn't fight his way to the front of the mob of reporters to a place where he could be sure of a lethal shot.
Mr. HERNDON. "Did you have a gun with you when you went to the Friday midnight press conference at the jail?"
Mr. RUBY. "No".
Mr. HERNDON. "Is everything you told the Warren Commission the entire truth?"
Mr. RUBY. "Yes".
Shortly before Jack Ruby's death, he made the following interview.
JohnM
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The Press Conference gave Ruby his first chance to silence Oswald and the only thing Ruby could muster up was his correction about it being " The Fair Play for Cuba ". How did Ruby know that ?
So the plan was to allow Oswald to speak freely to the world press in order to silence him! HA HA HA. Ridiculous. And then the kicker is that Ruby, the guy they want to silence Oswald stands toward the very back of the room and makes no apparent effort to complete this task for some inexplicable reason. Imagine the post press conference "hotwash" of how that worked for the conspirators. Comedy gold. If the plan was to silence Oswald, there were golden opportunities for the DPD to do so in the TSBD and Texas Theatre. Prisoners also die or commit suicide in custody. No need to recruit someone to kill Oswald, spend the rest of their life in jail, and hope that person never talked. The irony is that by being as transparent as possible in the treatment of Oswald, the DPD inadvertently created a security risk by letting the situation get out of control with the press.
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Could Ruby have been a " Manchurian Candidate " ? He said in an interview that he could not remember anything that happened from the time he was at the bottom of the ramp until he was wrestled down on the floor after the shooting of Oswald . What did Oswald want to tell the Warren Commission in DC if taken back to the capital that he could not tell them in Dallas ?