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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 02:26:21 AM »

JBC’s experience with rifles was as a hunter. I suggest that 3 shots in 6.5 or 6.6 seconds rarely occurs when hunting with a bolt action rifle.

Apparently you haven’t read chapter 5: Anchors Aweigh in Connally’s book “In History’s Shadow.” I invite you to do so if you really want to know what Connally experienced during WWII. And if you do, I think you will probably not (after you have read that chapter and learned more about JBC’s experiences) suggest that JBC wouldn’t recognize automatic gunfire.
The question is whether he would recognize the shots a NOT automatic fire. I hope you are not suggesting it was an automatic rifle firing those shots.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 02:06:23 AM »
A first shot at z193 and a second shot at z271 is 78 frames or 4.26 seconds. But it is not just Connolly who puts the first two shots that far apart. Dozens of witnesses said there was a longer pause between the first two with the last two in rapid succession. Some said the ratio was about 2 to 1.

We don’t expect people to be clocks, especially when they are preoccupied with what is happening to them.

It is not surprising that he would think it was automatic fire. JBC’s experience with rifles was as a hunter. I suggest that 3 shots in 6.5 or 6.6 seconds rarely occurs when hunting with a bolt action rifle.


JBC’s experience with rifles was as a hunter. I suggest that 3 shots in 6.5 or 6.6 seconds rarely occurs when hunting with a bolt action rifle.

Apparently you haven’t read chapter 5: Anchors Aweigh in Connally’s book “In History’s Shadow.” I invite you to do so if you really want to know what Connally experienced during WWII. And if you do, I think you will probably not (after you have read that chapter and learned more about JBC’s experiences) suggest that JBC wouldn’t recognize automatic gunfire.
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News - Off Topic - Weird & Wacky / Edward VIII
« Last post by Jerry Organ on Today at 01:07:59 AM »
There's a documentary about Edward VIII called "Britain's Traitor King" making the rounds in North America. I watched it a few days ago on CBC, and it's scheduled for this Sunday on PBS.

It's based on a book by sensationalist author Andrew Lownie, the new Anthony Summers. I'm not saying the former King didn't have some blind admiration (along the lines of Joseph Kennedy and America First) for the prewar Nazi system, but Lownie makes mountains out of molehills. For example, Edward hoped that the bombing of England would lead to ceasefire talks, which Lownie takes to mean Edward relished England being bombed.

It's like someone saying he hoped the assassination of Kennedy would lead to better protection for the Office, and the likes of Lownie spinning that to say the person wanted Kennedy assassinated.

Lownie begrudges the King's lavished lifestyle, but how else was he expected to live and be treated by friends in his circle? The show leaves the impression that Edward never went back to England or had contact with his family. He not only went back to England but he had visits with the Queen. I read that when Edward was Governor of Barbados, he was shocked at the proverty, and helped to improve conditons.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Jerry Organ on Today at 12:38:19 AM »
    Really? If you look closely at that "blue arrow", the "blue arrow" travels directly Through an SS Agent(s) that would be standing on the (R) running board of the Queen Mary. This is something the shot experts never include in their re-creations. The Queen Mary was closely following behind the JFK Limo with (2) large SS Agents on both of the Queen Mary running boards. Those 2 Agents on the (R) running board would have made both shots that struck JFK extremely difficult if fired from the 6th floor sniper's nest.

You can't be this thick. The origin of the blue line is the SN window. It's an SBT trajectory. The bullet went well above the Queen Mary.

I get better control of lines when I start them inside the image area. Next time I'll run the line so it goes off the image edge. ::)
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 12:08:24 AM »
;D
Once again, you ignore nearly everything I've posted and this time reproduce just a single sentence. It's quite funny that the single sentence you reproduce is the one pointing out that you ignore nearly everything I've posted.
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What we know with 100% certainty is that he is not describing a gap of more than four and a half seconds.
This is the gap required for Mason's Absolutely Demented Theory [ the MAD theory aka The Masonic Bodge].
There is no possible way Connally is mistaking a 4.5 second gap for automatic fire.
There is no possible way Connally is mistaking a 4.5 second gap for two or three shooters.
There is no possible way Connally is mistaking a 4.5 second gap for a "split second".
A first shot at z193 and a second shot at z271 is 78 frames or 4.26 seconds. But it is not just Connolly who puts the first two shots that far apart. Dozens of witnesses said there was a longer pause between the first two with the last two in rapid succession. Some said the ratio was about 2 to 1.

We don’t expect people to be clocks, especially when they are preoccupied with what is happening to them.

It is not surprising that he would think it was automatic fire. JBC’s experience with rifles was as a hunter. I suggest that 3 shots in 6.5 or 6.6 seconds rarely occurs when hunting with a bolt action rifle.
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If he had any plan - and there wasn't a good one under the circumstances - it would have been to get out of Dallas likely heading to Mexico.

Really? And that's why he ended up walking east on a go nowhere suburban street where there are no bus stops whatsoever? Do you not understand just how stupid this makes you look?

There are some good FBI materials explaining the nearby bus routes.

Those "nearby bus routes" were all on Jefferson, so why in the world would Oswald not simply have walked down N. Crawford street to get to the bus stops instead of turning left onto 10th street? You entire argument, as per usual, makes no sense.

In terms of the bag, Frazier was simply off in his estimate of its length.  There are lots of reasons to support that conclusion.

There is not a shred of evidence to conclude that Frazier was off in his estimate of the bag. And there are no valid reasons to support such a conclusion. It's all wishful thinking on your part.

No bag matching Frazier's description was ever found,

So what? Did they even search for it? Did they even ask Oswald what he did with the bag he carried into the TSBD? And if they did, why is that (and his answer) not in the interrogator's reports?

a longer bag with Oswald's prints was found,

"Found" at his place of work, at a location he would be everyday and made out of TSBD packaging materials. There is no evidence whatsoever it ever contained a rifle or that it ever left the TSBD.

Oswald denied carrying any long bag or curtain rods rendering his story to Frazier suspect etc.

The interrogators claimed Oswald denied carrying a "long bag", but what exactly is a "long bag"? Did the interrogators give him dimensions or some sort of description? Or did they simply ask about "a long bag", whatever that would have meant to Oswald?

As for the curtain rods story, there is at least one other plausible explanation for it; Oswald simply used it to explain his trip to Irving instead of having to tell his 19 year old co-worker about his marital problems.

You really have got nothing conclusive, Smith, and are blowing hot air once again.


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Really? And that's why he ended up walking east on a go nowhere suburban street where there are no bus stops whatsoever? Do you not understand just how stupid this makes you look?

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Those "nearby bus routes" were all on Jefferson, so why in the world would Oswald not simply have walked down N. Crawford street to get to the bus stops instead of turning left onto 10th street? You entire argument, as per usual, makes no sense.

The nearest transfer point in Oak Cliff on the Marsalis line (which is the line that the transfer was good for) was at Jefferson Blvd., roughly three blocks away from the site of the Tippit shooting scene.  Oswald, if he were walking east on Tenth, was heading in that exact direction.

If you familiarize yourself with a street map of the area, you'd know that going all the way down Crawford to Jefferson and then "simply" walking east on Jefferson to the bus stop would include serious backtracking along Jefferson, since Jefferson bends drastically back north.

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with a map of the area before telling Richard Smith that he looks stupid? 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Royell Storing on May 18, 2024, 11:03:05 PM »
Why is it ludicrous thinking?
His back was totally f%cked and he was wearing a brace. He stuffed himself as tightly into the corner as possible to get through the ordeal of the motorcade,
There are dozens of photographs of the motorcade, is there one that shows him not stuffed into the corner?
Why not show this pic rather than make some bullsh%t statement?

   Yeah, JFK was wearing a back brace. That back brace did Not transform him into a Cigar Store Indian. Everybody saw him at the breakfast and walking around in general. This thought process that defies reality is what is necessary in order to  support the SBT. 
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Well, there are at least three Crime Lab Photos taken of the Sniper's Nest on November 22nd prior to boxes being moved. The reconstruction done on Monday (without reference photos, it would seem) proved inaccurate in terms of the boxes by the window but afforded better viewpoints of the overall scene, so some came to be used as exhibits. A good idea; probably not. No one thought the paper bag was evidence at the time and it got moved, but testimony established where it was.

You're confusing the Sniper's Perch with the Sniper's Nest.
I never mentioned anything about photographing the Sniper's Nest.
And your notion that no-one thought the long bag was connected to the crime is massively wrong. Plenty of first responders thought that the bag was used to carry the rifle. I'm really surprised you're not aware of this. But, of course you are aware of this.
Are you also aware that the picture of the Sniper's Perch in evidence taken on Monday the 25th is labelled as being taken shortly after the assassination?
Of course you are.
Are you aware that drawing a picture of where evidence was doesn't really count?
At least you agree about Bonnie Ray's lunch.

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When did police anywhere tape-record interrogations in that era? Maybe some confessions were taped. Back then, the FBI-on-down relied on notes, which usually formed the basis of reports, and the courts accepted those reports as accurate; they also allowed a law officer to testify while referring to his notes. It's not that "Nutters" think police were infallible; it's more that they understand the law enforcement of the time and not to apply the "CSI Effect".

Where do you think the DPD failed?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Royell Storing on May 18, 2024, 09:52:10 PM »


The red part of the blue arrow indicates the passage of the bullet though the neck. It emerges on left side of necktie knot.



    Really? If you look closely at that "blue arrow", the "blue arrow" travels directly Through an SS Agent(s) that would be standing on the (R) running board of the Queen Mary. This is something the shot experts never include in their re-creations. The Queen Mary was closely following behind the JFK Limo with (2) large SS Agents on both of the Queen Mary running boards. Those 2 Agents on the (R) running board would have made both shots that struck JFK extremely difficult if fired from the 6th floor sniper's nest.
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A serious problem with this case is the staggering incompetence of the good ol' boy investigation.
Not a single piece of evidence, other than the rifle, was photographed in it's original position - not the Sniper's Perch (a staged photo was put in evidence), not the hulls (picked up by Fritz before being photographed), not the rifle bag ( a drawing of where it was positioned was put in evidence!!) and not Bonnie Ray Williams' lunch remains (discovered by at least SEVEN first responders on top of the boxes that formed the SN).

Well, there are at least three Crime Lab Photos taken of the Sniper's Nest on November 22nd prior to boxes being moved. The reconstruction done on Monday (without reference photos, it would seem) proved inaccurate in terms of the boxes by the window but afforded better viewpoints of the overall scene, so some came to be used as exhibits. A good idea; probably not. No one thought the paper bag was evidence at the time and it got moved, but testimony established where it was.

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That there was no tape recording or stenographer present during Oswald's interrogation regarding the assassination of the President of the United States is simply mind-blowing.
All of this is fuel for the Conspiracy Theorist, the trick is trying to discern what is incompetence, what is corruption and what is conspiracy.
It doesn't help that Nutters believe law enforcement can never do anything wrong and everything was done honestly and competently. It reveals them for the frauds they really are.

When did police anywhere tape-record interrogations in that era? Maybe some confessions were taped. Back then, the FBI-on-down relied on notes, which usually formed the basis of reports, and the courts accepted those reports as accurate; they also allowed a law officer to testify while referring to his notes. It's not that "Nutters" think police were infallible; it's more that they understand the law enforcement of the time and not to apply the "CSI Effect".
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