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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Duncan MacRae on October 22, 2023, 08:56:29 AM
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Same Cop With No Hat Leaving The Railroad Yard? ???
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Same Cop With No Hat Leaving The Railroad Yard? ???
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There is no getting around this alleged No Hat Dallas Police Officer being within feet of the alleged confrontation with Gordon Arnold. Also, his image is being captured within minutes of this same Arnold confrontation. I believe this No Hat Policeman previously occupied the same High Ground Position as that Guy/Kid on the Towner 3 Slide. For his "Six Seconds..." book, Josiah Thompson was questioning Sitzman as to her possibly hearing a shot fired from the parking lot/train yard. Thompson thought there might have been a shooter firing from an elevated position in this area. Thompson was ballpark close, but no cigar. That elevated firing position could have easily been from the same position we see that Guy/Kid peering over the picket fence on Towner 3. I also believe that when Arnold commented on the huge gun barrel he was staring down while he was on the ground, he was actually looking down a gun barrel with a silencer attached to it. This "silencer" possibility was offered up by Sitzman during her Thompson interview.
I guarantee you that the cop we see on the Darnell Film in the train yard behind Roger Craig is Not Motorcycle Officer Haygood. The Haygood timeline absolutely DQ's this being him. So who is this cop, or is it a legit cop at all?
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Same Cop With No Hat Leaving The Railroad Yard? ???
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Hi Duncan, The find of the decade! Great job! He looks like Roscoe White to me. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
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Let's try and stay FOCUSED on that Cop With No Hat in the background. He's as described by Gordon Arnold, including the glasses. This guy looks even more like a cop when the snippet is viewed via still frame. Gordon Arnold has been maligned for decades, yet we know extremely little about that area between the Picket Fence and the short wall. This is where Arnold claimed to be filming from. Arnold detailed his standing atop a dirt hill in order to avoid his filming being blocked by the Stemmons Sign. He's the only person I know of that has ever referenced there being dirt hills/mounds inside this area. If you take a good look at the bench in the Darnell Film, it too is sitting on top of High/Elevated ground. Gordon Arnold continues being proven to have told the truth.
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Same Cop With No Hat Leaving The Railroad Yard? ???
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I dont think its a cop. A white patch apearing in the left shoulder should be a Sun beam not a badge...
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I don't think it's a cop either.
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This No Hat Cop meets the Gordon Arnold description that has been laughed at to this point for decades. DPD dress, No Hat, Sunglasses, and short cropped hair. And if we are now down to claiming that the Sun is reflecting off of cloth, then I'm guessing that Arnold is smiling down. Take a look at ALL the crowd scenes inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 and find a John Q. Public dressed like this No Hat Cop. That DPD "look" is unique and intended to intimidate. John Q. ain't buying threads like this.
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I think they are discussing the small figure emerging from below Marilyn's right shoulder for a few frames moving towards frame left.
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I think they are discussing the small figure emerging from below Marilyn's right shoulder for a few frames moving towards frame left.
Thanks James. I'll remove my comment. Thanks also for pointing out what they're talking about. I looked at my clearest print of the Darnell footage--which this snippet comes from--and the man in the background is an elderly gentleman with salt and pepper looking grey hair. Defintely not a cop in uniform.
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Thanks James. I'll remove my comment. Thanks also for pointing out what they're talking about. I looked at my clearest print of the Darnell footage--which this snippet comes from--and the man in the background is an elderly gentleman with salt and pepper looking grey hair. Defintely not a cop in uniform.
I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is a legit "cop in uniform". The suspicion is that this "No Hat Cop" is a phony and meets the description of the "No Hat Cop" that Gordon Arnold described on "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" back in 1988. Arnold claimed way back in 1988 that he filmed the Kill Shot and that a "No Hat Dallas Cop" immediately assaulted him and took the film from his camera. This claim by Arnold has been derided ever since. That is, until the recently improved detail in the Darnell film currently posted on You Tube revealed this "No Hat Cop" behind Sitzman. Would you be so kind as to post your "clearest print of the Darnell footage" so this Forum can decide whether this really is, "an elderly gentleman with salt and pepper looking grey hair"?
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Roscoe White was new in DPD and was off duty that day so he was not wearing his uniform. I believe he reported to DPD shortly after 12:30 and was waiting for instructions. I cannot search for names right now but one of the detectives stated that after 2:00PM he took Roscoe and several other oficers and they went to search Ruth Paine house where they found a blanket and LHO back yard photos. I believe Roscoe stole one of the photos which explains how his wife had it later.
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If that's a badge, it moves up the shirt as the man walks along.
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Bill - If you are referring to the man on the Darnell snippet, I see what you are referring to as a "badge"/tin star to be situated on the top or side of his shoulder. A "badge"/tin star would generally be somewhere on the chest. As I have said previously, viewing this Darnell snippet is better appreciated via still frame. Out of everything we are seeing of this guy, there is 1 Frame that gives us a decent view of this man. It is only the ever increasing definition of the Darnell Film that has recently permitted this guy to be spotted by the masses.
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no hat cop?
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Talking of cops. I had a copy of a photograph showing a cop at the bottom of the steps. I can't remember now if he's wearing a hat or not. But he was definitely wearing glasses. A colour photograph. There is a crowd of people near by from what I can remember. I cannot find it anywhere in Gallery. I had a copy on my hard drive but it's crashed!
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(https://i.postimg.cc/1tn01byk/No-Hat-Cophaha.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/1tn01byk/No-Hat-Cophaha.png) (https://postimages.org/)
OK. Let's stop messing around and just go straight into the Woody Woodpecker cartoon.
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OK. Let's stop messing around and just go straight into the Woody Woodpecker cartoon.
It's as relevant as anything else that's been posted on this subject.
Pointing out totally blurred, indistinct images and asking "No Hat Cop?" is completely in keeping with everything else on this thread.
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It's as relevant as anything else that's been posted on this subject.
Pointing out totally blurred, indistinct images and asking "No Hat Cop?" is completely in keeping with everything else on this thread.
This No Hat Cop being within only feet of where Gordon Arnold claimed he was assaulted by a cop with no hat is no coincidence. Arnold has been trashed for decades, and now he's being vindicated. The No Hat Cop has been on the Darnell Film since 11/22/63 and somehow the JFK Assassination Research Community missed it? And the No Hat Cop is not the only "reveal" that has been hiding in plain sight for close to 60yrs. Hang onto your hat! --------------------- TO BE CONTINUED .................................
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This No Hat Cop being within only feet of where Gordon Arnold claimed he was assaulted by a cop with no hat is no coincidence. Arnold has been trashed for decades, and now he's being vindicated. The No Hat Cop has been on the Darnell Film since 11/22/63 and somehow the JFK Assassination Research Community missed it? And the No Hat Cop is not the only "reveal" that has been hiding in plain sight for close to 60yrs. Hang onto your hat! --------------------- TO BE CONTINUED .................................
Everything you post is Tinfoil garbage.
This No Hat Cop being within only feet of where Gordon Arnold claimed he was assaulted by a cop with no hat is no coincidence.
You're right, it is "no coincidence" because the No Hat Cop isn't a cop.
It is also no coincidence that there isn't a single clear picture of this No Hat Cop in the film/photo record. Not a single one! Just blurry, indistinct images and that's all [the amusing thing being that in the image that got this BS: started , the person is wearing a hat/helmet].
It is a gullible mind that is swayed by so little.
Arnold has been trashed for decades, and now he's being vindicated.
:D :D vindicated!!
Read all four pages of this article which completely demolishes Arnold's tall tale - https://www.jfk-assassination.net/arnold1.htm
In it we see that Arnold places himself almost next to the bench we see in Darnell, the one Sitzman saw the young black couple on. As we have seen elsewhere, Arnold's dirt mound does not exist:
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMYRYfqD/Allenphoto1a.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
In the Sitzman interview posted by Duncan, she emphasises how quiet and distant the gunshots were, yet here is Arnold, supposedly a few feet way, claiming multiple shots blasting over his head. Sitzman also notes that she is brought out of her shock by the sound of breaking glass, her attention being drawn to the young couple racing away. But no sign of Arnold in the same area.
Then there's the letter to his wife written shortly after the assassination where he fails to mention being in Dallas, let alone Dealey Plaza, seeing JFK or being mugged by two [or was it one] law enforcement officials.
Arnold's story is a crock, there is nothing to support it and plenty against it.
TO BE CONTINUED
Oh, brother ::)
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Everything you post is Tinfoil garbage.
This No Hat Cop being within only feet of where Gordon Arnold claimed he was assaulted by a cop with no hat is no coincidence.
You're right, it is "no coincidence" because the No Hat Cop isn't a cop.
It is also no coincidence that there isn't a single clear picture of this No Hat Cop in the film/photo record. Not a single one! Just blurry, indistinct images and that's all
How comes Emmet Hudson saw cops up in the wall area? One of the few witnesses close to the wall that testified says there WAS cops up there. Plural ''The Policemen'' Mr.Hudson: ''Yes Sir''.
Now how comes Sitzman didn't also see them? Or maybe she was never questioned in such a way that she was give up any information she had to expand the situation behind the wall. Selective questioning - avoiding details that would go a long way to explain the truth on 'the knoll'.
Emmet Hudson's large wtf moment was never expanded upon. Researchers never got to ask precisely what he saw was going on around ''the grassy spot up there where you were standing''. We are no clearer what those Policemen were doing!
(https://i.postimg.cc/y6hBk1Vn/emmet-hudson.jpg)
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How comes Emmet Hudson saw cops up in the wall area? One of the few witnesses close to the wall that testified says there WAS cops up there. Plural ''The Policemen'' Mr.Hudson: ''Yes Sir''.
Now how comes Sitzman didn't also see them? Or maybe she was never questioned in such a way that she was give up any information she had to expand the situation behind the wall. Selective questioning - avoiding details that would go a long way to explain the truth on 'the knoll'.
Emmet Hudson's large wtf moment was never expanded upon. Researchers never got to ask precisely what he saw was going on around ''the grassy spot up there where you were standing''. We are no clearer what those Policemen were doing!
(https://i.postimg.cc/y6hBk1Vn/emmet-hudson.jpg)
Sitzman is a very mixed bag. We see her on the Bell Film having just gotten down from the Zapruder Perch. Only feet to Sitzman's left is Mrs Hester down on the ground. Sitzman worked with Mrs Hester and only minutes before, Zapruder had filmed the 2 women as he tested his camera. Did Sitzman go over and check to see if Mrs Hester was hit or injured? Nope! Instead, Sitzman claims she immediately ran down the hill and chattered at a couple of G-Men. And as I said previously, the only reason Josiah Thompson interviewed Sitzman was because Zapruder "No-Show'd" him for their scheduled interview there at the Dal Tex Bld. Not only did Thompson get stiffed that day, he ended up with the booby prize.
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How comes Emmet Hudson saw cops up in the wall area? One of the few witnesses close to the wall that testified says there WAS cops up there. Plural ''The Policemen'' Mr.Hudson: ''Yes Sir''.
Now how comes Sitzman didn't also see them? Or maybe she was never questioned in such a way that she was give up any information she had to expand the situation behind the wall. Selective questioning - avoiding details that would go a long way to explain the truth on 'the knoll'.
Emmet Hudson's large wtf moment was never expanded upon. Researchers never got to ask precisely what he saw was going on around ''the grassy spot up there where you were standing''. We are no clearer what those Policemen were doing!
(https://i.postimg.cc/y6hBk1Vn/emmet-hudson.jpg)
Just to clarify:
Hudson is asked if he saw anyone with a rifle 1) up on the grassy spot near where he was standing 2) on the overpass 3) anywhere else.
Hudson replies that he didn't see anyone with a GUN except the patrols/policemen.
At no point does Hudson indicate when he saw the policemen with the guns.
From this you have managed to specify that Hudson saw policemen near the wall area at the time of the assassination.
Wow. There are yoga gurus who would be proud of that stretch.
In her interview with Thompson, Sitzman is specifically asked about what she saw in the area between the picket fence and the low wall:
Thompson: Darn right. I know. I've seen the films too. Now, to get to this area between the stockade fence and the cement abutment, or small mall: Did you turn after the shot to look in this general area?
Sitzman: Yes.
Thompson: And did you see anyone in this area?
Sitzman: No, just the two colored people running back.
So, she was "questioned in such a way" specifically relating to "the situation behind the wall."
And she gave a specific answer - the only people between the low wall and the picket fence at the time of the shooting were the young couple fleeing the scene.
Selective questioning? More like selective researching.
The only mystery here is how you've managed to make a mystery out of Hudson's remark.
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Sitzman was a nice lady. So was Edith Bunker.