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In terms of millions of people deceived and the amount of errors-per-page, these mass-marketed titles from major publishers spring to mind.
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"Who Killed JFK?" 1992, many reissues. "High Treason", 1989, the later paperback version and reissues sold millions. A more recent large-selling book littered with errors is "JFK and The Unspeakable", 2008.
Millions? If so, Groden must be a millionaire?
I was just thinking if High Treason sold 1 million copies, and the author received $1 per copy sold that would be 1 million dollars. Of course half that would go to Livingstone depending on how they had agreed to split funds.
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Love the forum so I decided to register.
At any rate, what's the worst book you came across dealing with the JFK conspiracy? I nominate American Confidential: Uncovering the Bizarre Story of Lee Harvey Oswald and his Mother by Deanne Stillman.
Interested in reading your answers.
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27065-tom-scully/#comment-439847
Posted April 9, 2021 (edited)
On 4/9/2021 at 6:06 PM, Paul Brancato said:
Any idea why?
I checked and discover the reason why he left. Apparently, Tom and the author of Destiny Betrayed were censored because of Hank Albarelli's complaint over the Mary Meyer issue. Edited April 9, 2021 by Calvin Ye
New member here.The worst book I've personally encountered on the assassination is Paul Chambers' Head Shot. To begin with, the title is kinda tasteless. But what really gets me is, it's mostly filler...and most of that filler has little or nothing to do with JFK or his assassination. When Chambers, who has a PhD in Physics, gets around to discussing the physics of the assassination, his treatment of it is incredibly disappointing and juvenile.
Love the forum so I decided to register.
At any rate, what's the worst book you came across dealing with the JFK conspiracy? I nominate American Confidential: Uncovering the Bizarre Story of Lee Harvey Oswald and his Mother by Deanne Stillman.
Interested in reading your answers.
The book's premise was that Mary was murdered by a CIA "wet work" operative who had attempted to frame Raymond Crump in her shooting because "Mary knew too much!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Pinchot_Meyer
Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, ...
books.google.com › books (https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mary_s_Mosaic/OGOCDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=scully+georgia+law+professor&pg=PT348&printsec=frontcover)
Peter Janney · 2016
Found inside
"... Georgia law professor, Scully identified himself as “a moderator at the Internet forum, JFK Debate, created by John Simkin.”2 Mr. Scully focused his attack on the conclusions I had presented about the prosecution witness William L ..."
I "dug my own grave," in the CT "community".
The author of the book's friend, Douglas Horne, "lashed out" in reaction to the unwelcome facts I presented.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyDouglasHorneAmazon.jpg)
Horne's friend, book author Peter Janney confirmed in the revised edition of his book. forced by my research results, that I had not concealed who I was by naming me in his attempt to discredit me because he could not counter the facts I discovered that had dismantled his fairy tale.
New member here.
Love the forum so I decided to register.
At any rate, what's the worst book you came across dealing with the JFK conspiracy? I nominate American Confidential: Uncovering the Bizarre Story of Lee Harvey Oswald and his Mother by Deanne Stillman.
Interested in reading your answers.
How about some of the best books that deal with the JFK assassination conspiracy?
JFK Assassination Paradoxes (re-released last year as The JFK Assassination Decoded), by Dr. David Mantik.
Not In Your Lifetime, by Anthony Summers.
The Last Investigation, by Gaeton Fonzi.
Inside the Assassination Records Review Board, by Doug Horne.
Breach of Trust, by Dr. Gerald McKnight.
The worst pro-conspiracy books:
Plausible Denial, by Mark Lane.
Files on JFK: Interviews with Confessed Assassin James E. Files, by Wim Dankbaar.
JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy, by L. Fletcher Prouty.
The worst pro-Warren Commission books:
Reclaiming History, by Vincent Bugliosi.
Case Closed, by Gerald Posner.
November 22, 1963: You Are the Jury, by David Belin.
JFK, Oswald and Ruby: Politics, Prejudice and Truth, by Burt Griffin.
The book's premise was that Mary was murdered by a CIA "wet work" operative who had attempted to frame Raymond Crump in her shooting because "Mary knew too much!"Just came from Peter's Wiki bio page, Tom. Gosh, they mentioned me, but forgot about you. Your gatherings are always worthy of perusal+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Pinchot_Meyer
Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, ...
books.google.com › books (https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mary_s_Mosaic/OGOCDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=scully+georgia+law+professor&pg=PT348&printsec=frontcover)
Peter Janney · 2016
Found inside
"... Georgia law professor, Scully identified himself as “a moderator at the Internet forum, JFK Debate, created by John Simkin.”2 Mr. Scully focused his attack on the conclusions I had presented about the prosecution witness William L ..."
I "dug my own grave," in the CT "community".
The author of the book's friend, Douglas Horne, "lashed out" in reaction to the unwelcome facts I presented.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyDouglasHorneAmazon.jpg)
Horne's friend, book author Peter Janney confirmed in the revised edition of his book. forced by my research results, that I had not concealed who I was by naming me in his attempt to discredit me because he could not counter the facts I discovered that had dismantled his fairy tale.
Any book, repeat ANY book by Jim DiEugenio.
have you actually read his jfk assassination books ? . i know LN often dont read so called CT material . even (and i am going from memory here ) Mr von pien in debate with Jim di eugenio refused point blank to view or even read any of the books , resources etc that Jim provided in that debate that supported his claims (i dont remember if the debate was here on this forum or the ed forum ) . Mr von pien posted in essence that he has absolutely no interest in reading ANYTHING that is CT related . and LN very often complain that CT dont read LN material such as the warren report or reclaiming history lol , that is quite a large slice of LN hypocrisy dont you think ? . but this is hardly surprising .
David may have no interest in reading books full of unproven CT garbage but he is eminently familiar with all their arguments, and he has debated James DiEugenio on over a hundred occasions and considering that DiEugenio constantly referenced his arguments that David consistently refuted, proves that reading a few books full of misrepresentations and made up nonsense, wasn't going to add any more relevant information.
Just check out the following link and see James DiEugenio being repeatedly outargued by David.
https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/dvp-vs-dieugenio-complete-series.html
And after you finish reading through the debates in the above link, then check out the rest of David's web site which is literally filled to the brim with interesting JFK facts, videos and photos. And you can also read the rest of the CT's that David has debated, which goes on for well over one thousand and three hundred pages.
https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/
JohnM
Some of the best books on this subject are:
Beyond Reasonable Doubt: The Warren Report and Lee Harvey Oswald's Guilt and Motive 50 Years on
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination
Conspiracy of One: The Definitive Book on the Kennedy Assassination
Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy
JFK Assassination Logic: How to Think about Claims of Conspiracy
Thinking Critically About the Kennedy Assassination: Debunking the Myths and Conspiracy Theories
Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK
All these truth-orientated titles provide an honest and unbiased evaluation of the evidence. The authors who have placed the historical truth over financial gain—a trait utterly foreign to the prevaricating deceptive writings of their conspiracy adversaries—should be commended for their invaluable work.
how much was the bug paid to write reclaiming history ? how much did tom hanks pay him for the rights to make a documentary series (later would become the movie parkland ) ? . how much was Dale myers paid for his SBT animation ? .
"authors who have placed the historical truth over financial gain" paul
you can read and like any book and hold an opinion that oswald and oswald alone acted here . that is your right , but please dont insult the intelligence of people who know (seemingly a lot better than you ) just how much the above named two have made from jfks death , its multiple of millions between them . and i am not including Myers ghost writing on RH in this .
Don't fool yourself, O'Brien. Oh, and by the way, go back to school and learn how to write property.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
And you do, David?
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Well, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know for a fact that Bugliosi (and others) made "millions" of dollars off their books. I have no idea what they made----and neither do any of the know-it-all CTers.
And the "Myers Was Bugliosi's Ghostwriter" crap is just that-----crappola!
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/ghostwriting.html
let me see if i understand you correctly . you readily admit that YOU HAVE NO IDEA , yet you are attacking me saying i dont know WHAT YOU ADMIT YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ?
have you actually read his jfk assassination books ? . i know LN often dont read so called CT material . even (and i am going from memory here ) Mr von pien in debate with Jim di eugenio refused point blank to view or even read any of the books , resources etc that Jim provided in that debate that supported his claims (i dont remember if the debate was here on this forum or the ed forum ) . Mr von pien posted in essence that he has absolutely no interest in reading ANYTHING that is CT related . and LN very often complain that CT dont read LN material such as the warren report or reclaiming history lol , that is quite a large slice of LN hypocrisy dont you think ? . but this is hardly surprising .
Yes. Exactly.
There's nothing incongruous there.
Warning!
This is either a claim made by somebody who knows what the actual truth is (and can prove it with conclusive evidence) or the biased opinion of a fanatical LN who dismisses everything out of hand that does not match his belief.
Which is it, Paul?
I'd be completely against any new laws; the existing ones on defamation are fine. Although some people have advocated re-visiting Sullivan's distinction between public and private individuals. I think Justice Thomas has supported that. Besides, LBJ is dead; you can't defame a dead person. I still believe that the answer to bad speech, to bad ideas is more speech. The truth doesn't always win out but the alternatives are worse.
At this point the assassination is simply an event that people use to express their grievances with the government or with some entity. For Roger Stone it's LBJ. It's why we see people with far right wing or far left wing views using it; they both think democracy has been stolen. And they've convinced themselves that the only reason these powerful groups killed JFK was because he was such a threat to them and their power. He was going to "end the Cold War", leave Vietnam, make nice with Castro, establish Camelot. And it was for this they had to strike him down.
One of the worst conspiracy volumes I've read has to be Killing Kennedy and the hoax of the century, by Harrison Edward Livingstone. According to Mr Livingstone everything is fake all the pictures, films, all of it. all the witness statements are altered all the physical evidence is either faked or altered by a massive government conspiracy.He even blasts many of his fellow critics calling then liars.From what I've read he believed people like Doug Horne and David Lifton are (or were) "intelligence operators."
Not worth reading
Gary
From what I've read he believed people like Doug Horne and David Lifton are (or were) "intelligence operators."
A question for the big "C" conspiracy advocates, people like Livingstone at al.: Two weaknesses in the lone assassin theory are placing Oswald in that window at 12:30 and, second, showing a motive. If you believe in the big conspiracy involving all of these powerful groups wouldn't they have placed witnesses in Dealey Plaza claiming that they saw Oswald (or a person who looked like him) in the window at 12:30? Isn't that the claim in the Tippit shooting? That those witnesses were plants or coerced? So why not do this in Dealey Plaza? As to the second: wouldn't they have had witnesses, e.g., Marina, say they heard him say he detested JFK, that he viewed JFK as a fascist enemy of "The Revolution" and the Cuban people? At least manufacture documents/writings where he wrote this, et cetera. Many of these other writings implicating him - the Walker "note", the letter to the Soviet Embassy - are supposedly fake; so why not create anti-JFK material? It seems obvious, to me, that those two aspects - showing motive and evidence he was in the window - would have been what these conspirators would have done at the least.