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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Peter Dale Scott The Mexico City Tape And Photographs
« Last post by Fergus O'Brien on Today at 07:18:35 PM »If they're framing him on a visit to the Cuban consulate they would simply say he admitted to going there during his interrogation. He's dead; they can say he admitted to it. Why would they say he denied it if they are trying to frame him for it? Just say he said he did. Again, he can't deny it since, y'know, he's dead.
As to Hoover: He was, as the record shows, a ruthless and powerful man but the idea that he would/could know everything about what his people did in the investigation, could control what they found and limit it, is conspiracy silliness at its finest. Conspiracists really believe that "the CIA" and "the FBI" and these bureaucracies can be completely controlled, and were. They can't. A Hitler or a Stalin couldn't control all of their people, their bureaucracies, their factions and personality conflicts. Read any history of their rule. Do you folks read anything other than conspiracy books?
As in: the FBI agents James Hosty and his superior Gordon Shanklin destroyed a note that Oswald left complaining about the FBI's treatment of his wife. Hoover knew nothing about it. If he had such control then how could that have happened? And after the assassination Hoover punished about a dozen agents (I think it was 17) for their failures to adequately monitor Oswald. He couldn't control everything his people did or didn't do. He was one person.
For a better and greater example read about Hoover and the FBI and the Hiss/Chambers investigation. Hoover was left out of the loop from his own people. He didn't know what was happening. He couldn't control all of it; hell, he couldn't control just about any of it.
"As in: the FBI agents James Hosty and his superior Gordon Shanklin destroyed a note that Oswald left complaining about the FBI's treatment of his wife. Hoover knew nothing about it. If he had such control then how could that have happened? And after the assassination Hoover punished about a dozen agents (I think it was 17) for their failures to adequately monitor Oswald. He couldn't control everything his people did or didn't do. He was one person."
lets be clear here yes Hoover was a human and not super human , he cant know every single little thing . he certainly cant know about that which is intentionally kept from him . if he never knew about the Hosty note so far as i am aware , well at a later date yes im sure he did . Shanklyn and Hosty kept that information from him , what was so devastating to Shanklyn about a note from Oswald saying not to speak to his wife when he was not there ?. and why would Hoover who was aware of Oswald care about such a note ? . by the way certain LN but not all have tried to use that note to say Oswald wrote a threat on it to blow up the building . leading to the question why would they not keep that note as evidence against him ? .they base this claim on a woman (whos name eludes my memory now ) , Hosty was questioned about the note and her story . he replied and reiterated it merely was about Marina as above . he went further saying she gave 3 different stories about that note WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE ?. but FBI agents did not go along with the official line at times , they did not necessarily go out of their way to dispute it but they shall we say stuck by what they said / reported even if it disputed the official narrative .
"If they're framing him on a visit to the Cuban consulate they would simply say he admitted to going there during his interrogation. He's dead; they can say he admitted to it. Why would they say he denied it if they are trying to frame him for it? Just say he said he did. Again, he can't deny it since, y'know, he's dead. "
the DPD had the case taken from them very quickly .it would seem if we can accept the late Jim leavelles word for it that the DPD did not care a lot about jfk and viewed getting Oswald for the Tippit killing as more important . i wont quote Jim here as he used racial terms . so i dont know just how much import if any at all they would have in Oswald visiting mexico or not .or to what if any extent that they would want to frame him using mexico . but if we look at the arrest for example of duran we see that others did have an interest in mexico .
lets face it hoover would not need to know everything about everything , even about the assassination , just certain important aspects of it . many things were never questioned really . once the people were told Oswald who had been to russia went to mexico they would have believed and not questioned it . only in light of evidence that an imposter or imposters seem to have been active , and in light of the statements of Odio would people later question such things .and most people did not have that sort of info in 63 and 64 .
in regards mexico we are being asked it seems to believe that 3 people all saw the same WRONG THINGS , all made the same mistake , or well they all decided to invent the same BS . all 3 said the man was a short man , so short that one who was 5 feet 6 had to look down on the man .atleast two of them independently said the man they saw was blonde .
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/lopezrpt_2003/html/LopezRpt_0200a.htm
it is proposed that Oswald entered both consulates in mexico some 5 times each . so that means there were atleast 10 opportunities at each location (going in and going out ) to capture him on camera . yet we dont have a single photo . that baffles belief .