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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on June 27, 2022, 07:53:13 PM
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The story goes that Johnson was putting pressure on the WC to issue their report well ahead of the 1964 presidential election so that the public could see in the report that Johnson was not involved in the assassination of JFK. This put pressure on the WC to get things wrapped up very quick.
However, to get around this issue with Johnson, the WC could just have issued an interim report in the summer of 1964 stating the basic findings that ended up in the WC report that there was no evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved. The WC could have then taken the next 6 months or so (perhaps into the spring of 1965) before issuing the final report itself.
I don't think there is any good reason why Earl Warren, who was used to writing reports and interim reports, could not have simply followed this route.
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there was no evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved.
Of course we all know [as you guys like to assert]........ no one ever really looked for any.
They just went with the FBI cover-up report that was concluded less than a month after the assassination.
The following February this was shown on a Life magazine cover -------
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Proving supposedly that Oswald was a killer ::)
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Of course we all know [as you guys like to assert]........ no one ever really looked for any.
They just went with the FBI cover-up report that was concluded less than a month after the assassination.
The following February this was shown on a Life magazine cover -------
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Proving supposedly that Oswald was a killer ::)
They just went with the FBI cover-up report that was concluded less than a month after the assassination.
Either you are joking or you are just completely unaware of what took place in this investigation.
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They just went with the FBI cover-up report that was concluded less than a month after the assassination.
Either you are joking or you are just completely unaware of what took place in this investigation.
And in the HSCA investigation. And the Clark Panel. And the Rockefeller Commission. And the Church Committee Hearings (i.e., no CIA involvement found). And the NY Times investigation. And the Washington Post investigation. And the CBS investigation. And the NBC investigation. And the ABC investigation. And the foreign press investigations. And the PBS investigation. And the.....I'll stop here at, what 10? 11?
How many investigations are needed? How many times? We just dismiss all of this? All of them were lies? Coverups? All of these people? For decades? It's always the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission. And all of these other inquiries are dismissed.
At what point does reality enter into these discussion?
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And in the HSCA investigation. And the Clark Panel. And the Rockefeller Commission. And the Church Committee Hearings (i.e., no CIA involvement found). And the NY Times investigation. And the Washington Post investigation. And the CBS investigation. And the NBC investigation. And the ABC investigation. And the foreign press investigations. And the PBS investigation. And the.....I'll stop here at, what 10? 11?
How many investigations are needed? How many times? We just dismiss all of this? All of them were lies? Coverups? All of these people? For decades? It's always the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission. And all of these other inquiries are dismissed.
At what point does reality enter into these discussion?
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"Amazingly, conspiracy theorists don't feel the slightest twinge of discomfort or uneasiness when they dump
in the trash the conclusions reached by all of these entities --- the Warren Commission, the HSCA, the Clark Panel, and the Rockefeller Commission. Per the CTers, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the above organizations dropped the ball and/or just flat-out LIED about the assassination of JFK. ALL FOUR of those outfits got it wrong, according to the
all-knowing CTers. Even the conspiracy-seeking HSCA got it totally wrong, too, per the CTers, because virtually
all conspiracy believers think that JFK was hit in the head from the FRONT, which is not what the HSCA determined.
To borrow some more verbiage from Vince Bugliosi --- "Arrogance thought it already had a bad name. That was before it met Oliver Stone [and virtually all other JFK conspiracy theorists who are more than willing to dismiss virtually everything uttered by ALL FOUR of the Governmental committees and commissions mentioned above]"."
-- DVP; July 28, 2009
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The story goes that Johnson was putting pressure on the WC to issue their report well ahead of the 1964 presidential election so that the public could see in the report that Johnson was not involved in the assassination of JFK. This put pressure on the WC to get things wrapped up very quick.
However, to get around this issue with Johnson, the WC could just have issued an interim report in the summer of 1964 stating the basic findings that ended up in the WC report that there was no evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved. The WC could have then taken the next 6 months or so (perhaps into the spring of 1965) before issuing the final report itself.
I don't think there is any good reason why Earl Warren, who was used to writing reports and interim reports, could not have simply followed this route.
I think that if LBJ had really wanted the report finalized significantly earlier that he probably would have had it. The way it was released a few weeks before the election, I believe, worked better for LBJ, politically, than a significantly earlier (interim or final) report would have. Just my opinion.
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An “inquiry” isn’t an investigation if it relies on all of the same source material, speculation, and assumptions.
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Of course we all know [as you guys like to assert]........ no one ever really looked for any.
They just went with the FBI cover-up report that was concluded less than a month after the assassination.
The following February this was shown on a Life magazine cover -------
(https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/M4uGW3y3RgHo0wIXwEol8LIeJbc=/fit-in/1600x0/filters:focal(1001x830:1002x831)/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/2f/f3/2ff3d0f9-2093-4c30-8e4b-bf07f143ffbb/na010130.jpg)
Proving supposedly that Oswald was a killer ::)
As if that "wanted poster" photo on the cover of LIFE was not enough......Life was determined to inform the public who viewed this copy of LIFE that "Lee Harvey Oswald shown with the guns he used to kill President Kennedy and Officer Tippit."
At the time LIFE was a well respected and widely read publication ....If it appeared in LIFE it was the truth....
PS: Not all copies of LIFE had that caption printed boldly on the cover....
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Amazingly, conspiracy theorists don't feel the slightest twinge of discomfort or uneasiness when they dump in the trash the conclusions reached by all of these entities --- the Warren Commission, the HSCA, the Clark Panel, and the Rockefeller Commission.
False appeal to authority fallacy. Next?
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I think that if LBJ had really wanted the report finalized significantly earlier that he probably would have had it. The way it was released a few weeks before the election, I believe, worked better for LBJ, politically, than a significantly earlier (interim or final) report would have. Just my opinion.
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The CT version of this would have everyone but LHO saying that to each other…. :D
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The CT version of this would have everyone but LHO saying that to each other…. :D
that cartoon comes from this
5 Stupid things about JFK conspiracy theories
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They just went with the FBI cover-up report that was concluded less than a month after the assassination.
Either you are joking or you are just completely unaware of what took place in this investigation.
Where is the joke? And Collins...Cut the crap.
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Absolutely, since they already knew the conclusion when the "investigation" began.
Basically, that's what I stated earlier but I am apparently "unaware" of whatever.
As far as the Rockefeller and the Church Committee stuff...I suppose Mr Galbraith has thoroughly read these reports and could share some insight that the Warren gang did not supply.
The FBI and CIA investigated themselves and found nothing wrong.
"CBS and NBC investigations"? What witnesses did they call that we don't know about?
Question above.... How many investigations are needed?
Answer= one still needed.
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Where is the joke? And Collins...Cut the crap.
First of all, as you’ve just seen, on December 16 the Warren Commission came to the conclusion that it could not rely exclusively on the reports of the FBI and other federal agencies to reach its conclusions. In fact, even before this, on December 13 the Commission obtained the necessary powers to conduct its own independent investigation with the enactment of Senate Joint Resolution 137,55 which empowered the Commission to issue subpoenas requiring the testimony of witnesses and the production of documentary evidence. The resolution also gave the Commission the power to grant immunity and thereby force the testimony of witnesses who invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.56 The Commission never had occasion to grant immunity. Pursuant to these powers, the Warren Commission, by itself and independent of the FBI, took the sworn testimony of 489 witnesses, many in great depth. (This hardly constitutes relying exclusively on the FBI.) Of these 489 witnesses, 94 testified before one or more members of the Commission itself, and 395 were questioned in depositions by members of the Commission’s staff, with the Commission members not being present. In addition, 61 witnesses gave sworn affidavits and 2 gave statements, for a total of 552 witnesses. More than 3,100 exhibits were received into evidence.57* Although Commission member John McCloy complained early on, and before the taking of any testimony, that the Commission was “so dependent on them [FBI] for the facts,”58 if examining 489 witnesses under oath is not conducting an independent investigation, then what is? Vincent Bugliosi - Reclaiming History
If you are interested in learning what was said by the WC in their December 16th meeting, here is another quote from Reclaiming History:
At its next meeting, on December 16, after Supreme Court justice Stanley F. Reed administered an oath to all its members, the Commission set about to determine the scope of the investigation. The first order of business was to consider the FBI’s summary report. “Well, gentlemen,” the chief justice said to his fellow Commission members, “I have read that report two or three times and I have not seen anything in there yet that has not been in the press.” “I couldn’t agree with that more,” Senator Richard Russell said. “Practically everything in there has come out in the press at one time or another, a bit here and a bit there.” But that wasn’t the biggest problem. It was the obvious deficiency of the report, mostly attributable, John McCloy said, to the fact that “they [FBI] put this thing together very fast.” Representative Hale Boggs pointed out that, remarkably, “There’s nothing in [the report] about Governor Connally.” Senator John Cooper: “And whether or not they found any bullets in him.” After reading the report, McCloy said that “this bullet business leaves me confused.” “It’s totally inconclusive,” opined Chief Justice Warren. Representative Gerald Ford: “[The report] was interesting to read but it did not have the depth that it ought to have.” There were so many unanswered questions. For instance, Representative Boggs observed, “There is still little on this fellow Ruby, including his movements, what he was doing, how he got in there [City Hall basement garage].” Warren: “His relations with the police department.” Boggs: “Exactly.” Talking about the issue of precisely what took place among the occupants of the presidential limousine at the time of the shooting, Warren said, “I wonder if the report we get from the Secret Service wouldn’t pretty much clear that up…They were there, right at the car, and know exactly what happened.” Representative Boggs: “Well, this FBI report doesn’t clear it up.” Warren: “It doesn’t do anything.” Boggs: “It raises a lot of new questions in my mind.” General Counsel Rankin summed up the feelings of practically all of the Commission members when he noted that “the report has so many holes in it. Anybody can look at it and see that it just doesn’t seem like they’re looking for things that this Commission has to look for in order to get the answers that it wants and it’s entitled to.”49 Very momentously, it was during this December 16 session that the Commission decided it could not rely solely on the FBI report or reports from any of the other federal agencies either. “After studying this [FBI] report,” Chief Justice Warren said, “unless we have the raw materials [i.e., interviews, affidavits, recordings, photographs, etc.] that went into the making of the report and have an opportunity to examine those raw materials and make our own appraisal, any appraisal of this report would be [worth] little or nothing.” Warren went on to move “that the Commission request at once from all investigative agencies and departments of the Government the raw materials on which their reports to the Commission are based,” and his motion was seconded and adopted. Vincent Bugliosi - Reclaiming History
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First of all, as you’ve just seen, on December 16 the Warren Commission came to the conclusion that it could not rely exclusively on the reports of the FBI and other federal agencies to reach its conclusions.
But they did anyway.
The investigation of the president's murder and also the policeman was legally the responsibility of the Attorney General of Texas.
LBJ could not afford to have that.
Mentioned is Jack Ruby. He provided to the Report- his own account of his whereabouts during those days.
The Commission accepted Ruby's self declared alibis even though they were all obvious lies and contradicted by other persons.
According to expert witnesses, exacting tests conducted for the Commission demonstrated that it was possible to fire three shots from the rifle within 5.5 seconds.
Not mentioned is could someone actually hit anything at the required distance.
-Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter and a marksman with the M-1 rifle in the Marine Corps. Marina Oswald testified that in New Orleans her husband practiced operating the belt of the rifle. Moreover, experts stated that the scope was a substantial aid for rapid, accurate firing. The Commission concluded that Oswald had the capability with a rifle to commit assassination
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-12.html
Just like the FBI said he did.
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But they did anyway.
The investigation of the president's murder and also the policeman was legally the responsibility of the Attorney General of Texas.
LBJ could not afford to have that.
Mentioned is Jack Ruby. He provided to the Report- his own account of his whereabouts during those days.
The Commission accepted Ruby's self declared alibis even though they were all obvious lies and contradicted by other persons.Not mentioned is could someone actually hit anything at the required distance.https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-12.html
Just like the FBI said he did.
That's odd logic. There was no legal obligation by the federal government to conduct ANY investigation into the assassination. The fact that they conducted an extensive investigation when none was legally required suggests that rather than attempting to cover up anything that they were seeking to shed light on the event. Nothing that the WC did precluded Texas or the AG from continuing to investigate the crime. They, however, were satisfied, based on the overwhelming evidence, that LHO was responsible for the crime. A conclusion that has is unchanged until today. As a result, there was nothing for them to investigate.
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That's odd logic. There was no legal obligation by the federal government to conduct ANY investigation into the assassination. The fact that they conducted an extensive investigation when none was legally required suggests that rather than attempting to cover up anything that they were seeking to shed light on the event. Nothing that the WC did precluded Texas or the AG from continuing to investigate the crime. They, however, were satisfied, based on the overwhelming evidence, that LHO was responsible for the crime. A conclusion that has is unchanged until today. As a result, there was nothing for them to investigate.
That's really odd logic.
How do you know who was "satisfied"?
based on the overwhelming evidence
Be "overwhelmed" if it makes you happy.
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The way Richard Smith is ganged up on reveals just how big a problem he is to Oswald arse kissers.
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That's really odd logic.
How do you know who was "satisfied"?Be "overwhelmed" if it makes you happy.
How do I know that the Texas authorities were satisfied that Oswald assassinated JFK? They said so based on the evidence. Why do you think the WC somehow precluded the Texas authorities from pursuing the investigation?
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Attention craving Chappers should learn to control his jealousy.
Dritte Reich fanboy sollte ein paar Manieren bekommen
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That's odd logic. There was no legal obligation by the federal government to conduct ANY investigation into the assassination. The fact that they conducted an extensive investigation when none was legally required suggests that rather than attempting to cover up anything that they were seeking to shed light on the event.
Wow, the delusion is strong in this one.
“We need something to head off public speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort”.
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“Richard Smith” is “ganged up on” because he shamelessly lies about the evidence.
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Why do you think the WC somehow precluded the Texas authorities from pursuing the investigation?
The FBI certainly did.
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“Richard Smith” is “ganged up on” because he shamelessly lies about the evidence.
There's a difference between outright lying and simply not knowing a particular detail
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And in the HSCA investigation. And the Clark Panel. And the Rockefeller Commission. And the Church Committee Hearings (i.e., no CIA involvement found). And the NY Times investigation. And the Washington Post investigation. And the CBS investigation. And the NBC investigation. And the ABC investigation. And the foreign press investigations. And the PBS investigation. And the.....I'll stop here at, what 10? 11?
How many investigations are needed? How many times? We just dismiss all of this? All of them were lies? Coverups? All of these people? For decades? It's always the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission. And all of these other inquiries are dismissed.
At what point does reality enter into these discussion?
Obviously, you don’t think like a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy theorist.
Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy theories are impossible? Well, if that is so, how do you explain all thousands of people who stuffed fake ballots into ballot boxes, as shown in the movie ‘2000 Mules’? They movie even shows video using surveillance camera, of people doing this. Well, at least, recreations of what this video would look like if they had actually been made. So how could the election be stolen from Trump, using 2000 people (Mules) to stuff hundreds of thousands of fake ballots if Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracies are astronomically unlikely?
You need to rethink this.
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The way Richard Smith is ganged up on reveals just how big a problem he is to Oswald arse kissers.
1: You both have problems quite obviously.
2: Re: Henry Wade===Took his marching orders directly from J Edgar Hoover.
3: Learn how to spell ass.