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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on November 05, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
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If CE399 was planted at Parkland hospital, then why did they plant a bullet that had been fired into cotton wadding and not plant a half mangled bullet instead?
A half mangled bullet would be more plausible as having passed through one or both of the victims (JFK and John Connolly) and would at the same time still be forensically readable so as to be traced back to Oswalds rifle which would have been planted on the 6th floor to frame Oswald.
The elephant in the room here is if CE399 was planted, shouldn't they have planted a more plausible bullet?
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So what you're saying is that it's not plausible that CE399 went through one or two people?
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If CE399 was planted at Parkland hospital, then why did they plant a bullet that had been fired into cotton wadding and not plant a half mangled bullet instead?
A half mangled bullet would be more plausible as having passed through one or both of the victims (JFK and John Connolly) and would at the same time still be forensically readable so as to be traced back to Oswalds rifle which would have been planted on the 6th floor to frame Oswald.
The elephant in the room here is if CE399 was planted, shouldn't they have planted a more plausible bullet?
How is ammo designed to pass through-and-through a body not plausible?
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So what you're saying is that it's not plausible that CE399 went through one or two people?
And that CE 399 was planted?
There needed to be 'evidence' that the 6th floor rifle had been fired at the president.
A mangled bullet might not have been sufficient.
Furthermore...if a $19.95 rifle could be so accurate and deadly...then why are snipers equipped with thousand dollar ones?How is ammo designed to pass through
Full Metal Jacket bullets are most often used for target practice and are not designed to expand and therefore have a decent chance of passing right through someone unless they hit heavy bone ….google
Just because a bullet passes through a body...doesn't mean it won't get damaged even after hitting smaller bones re JBC. But then we really know that huh?
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If CE399 was planted at Parkland hospital, then why did they plant a bullet that had been fired into cotton wadding and not plant a half mangled bullet instead?
A half mangled bullet would be more plausible as having passed through one or both of the victims (JFK and John Connolly) and would at the same time still be forensically readable so as to be traced back to Oswalds rifle which would have been planted on the 6th floor to frame Oswald.
The elephant in the room here is if CE399 was planted, shouldn't they have planted a more plausible bullet?
How could whoever 'planted' CE 399 know how much damage it was meant to inflict. If it had passed through without striking bone wouldn't people be up in arms about a mangled bullet?
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What difference would it make?
If we've learned anything, it is this: pointing out inconsistent evidence to LNers doesn't do a single bit of good.
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How could whoever 'planted' CE 399 know how much damage it was meant to inflict. If it had passed through without striking bone wouldn't people be up in arms about a mangled bullet?
You'd think the planters would have fired the bullet into something harder than cotton wadding in order to get a bullet that looked like it had actually travelled through someones body.
The whole controversy with the single bullet theory is not that it could travel through two bodies, but that it could come out the other end so pristine.
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You'd think the planters would have fired the bullet into something harder than cotton wadding in order to get a bullet that looked like it had actually travelled through someones body.
The whole controversy with the single bullet theory is not that it could travel through two bodies, but that it could come out the other end so pristine.
This is Dr. Cyril Wecht's favourite piece of evidence.
As I understand it the bullet on the far right has been fired through the wrist of a cadaver. This is the closest the WC could come to a 'pristine' bullet that had passed through a wrisbone.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hth664tT/bullets-1.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
@1:04:10 Wecht gets into it.
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This is Dr. Cyril Wecht's favourite piece of evidence.
As I understand it the bullet on the far right has been fired through the wrist of a cadaver. This is the closest the WC could come to a 'pristine' bullet that had passed through a wrisbone.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hth664tT/bullets-1.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
The SBT posits the bullet was no longer pristine by time it struck the Connally's wrist, having gone through Kennedy's neck and Connally's torso, making it slow down and tumble.
The cadaver test -- by showing how mangled a pristine bullet (one fired nose-on at full velocity) would look from just hitting the wrist bone -- was I think meant to demonstrate that CE399 must have not arrived at the Governor's wrist that way. Since then some tests have sought to duplicate the "non-prisitne" SBT path, with the Australian people coming close in the 2004 "Unsolved History" episode "JFK: Beyond the Magic Bullet".
BTW, the cadaver bullet might have struck the wrist bone more squarely, whereas CE399 might have simply slapped off the Governor's radius. Connally's X-ray doesn't show a hole through the bone, only fractures with the bone present.
(http://www.whokilledjfk.net/images/single16.gif)
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Why would you assume that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 was even (planted) at Parkland Hospital?
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You'd think the planters would have fired the bullet into something harder than cotton wadding in order to get a bullet that looked like it had actually travelled through someones body.
The whole controversy with the single bullet theory is not that it could travel through two bodies, but that it could come out the other end so pristine.
FMJ ammo was designed to pass through-and-through human flesh and remain as intact as possible (as per the Geneva Convention).
Additionally, look at the butt-end view of CE399 and imagine your head being crushed to that extent.
Call that 'pristine'.
And now, boys & girls, for your entertainment:
Phil Leotardo bites the dust
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The SBT posits the bullet was no longer pristine by time it struck the Connally's wrist, having gone through Kennedy's neck and Connally's torso, making it slow down and tumble.
The cadaver test -- by showing how mangled a pristine bullet (one fired nose-on at full velocity) would look from just hitting the wrist bone -- was I think meant to demonstrate that CE399 must have not arrived at the Governor's wrist that way. Since then some tests have sought to duplicate the "non-prisitne" SBT path, with the Australian people coming close in the 2004 "Unsolved History" episode "JFK: Beyond the Magic Bullet".
BTW, the cadaver bullet might have struck the wrist bone more squarely, whereas CE399 might have simply slapped off the Governor's radius. Connally's X-ray doesn't show a hole through the bone, only fractures with the bone present.
(http://www.whokilledjfk.net/images/single16.gif)
CE 399 hit Kennedy in an irregular fashion in his back.
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FMJ ammo was designed to pass through-and-through human flesh and remain as intact as possible ....
CE 399 was designed to pass through as many guys as it had to :D
Why would you assume that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 was even (planted) at Parkland Hospital?
In threads past...it was discussed that the Parkland employees that handled the item in question stated that the bullet that they saw had a pointed nose.
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CE 399 was designed to pass through as many guys as it had to :D
In threads past...it was discussed that the Parkland employees that handled the item in question stated that the bullet that they saw had a pointed nose.
In threads past...it was discussed that the Parkland employees that handled the item in question stated that the bullet that they saw had a pointed nose.
Actually only Wright said that, but it's only minor detail of everything that's wrong with the bullet now in evidence as CE399.
I don't believe for a second that the MC bullet we now know as CE399 was ever at Parkland Hospital and/or fired at Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63
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FMJ ammo was designed to pass through-and-through human flesh and remain as intact as possible (as per the Geneva Convention).
Additionally, look at the butt-end view of CE399 and imagine your head being crushed to that extent.
Call that 'pristine'.
You assume that CE399 was at room temperature when it was deformed slightly.
But it carried 2250 Joules of kinetic energy (10 g. at 2200 fps or 670.6 m/sec muzzle speed). The specific heat of lead is .16 Joules/gram degree C. The melting point of lead is 375 degrees C and the addition of tin and antimony will lower that a bit. That is the melting point. The lead core will soften at temperatures much lower than that.
To heat a 10 gram MC bullet at 20 C to say 170 C (150 deg. C change) would require around .16 x 10 x 150 = 240 Joules of energy. If half of the bullet kinetic energy loss is absorbed as heat by the bullet, that represents a loss of 480 Joules of bullet energy, or a reduction from 2250 to about 1750 Joules (670 m/sec to 591 m/sec).
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FMJ ammo was designed to pass through-and-through human flesh and remain as intact as possible (as per the Geneva Convention).
Additionally, look at the butt-end view of CE399 and imagine your head being crushed to that extent.
Call that 'pristine'.
Maybe not pristine but the Black Knight would consider it but a scratch, if he thought anything of it at all.
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You assume that CE399 was at room temperature when it was deformed slightly.
But it carried 2250 Joules of kinetic energy (10 g. at 2200 fps or 670.6 m/sec muzzle speed). The specific heat of lead is .16 Joules/gram degree C. The melting point of lead is 375 degrees C and the addition of tin and antimony will lower that a bit. That is the melting point. The lead core will soften at temperatures much lower than that.
To heat a 10 gram MC bullet at 20 C to say 170 C (150 deg. C change) would require around .16 x 10 x 150 = 240 Joules of energy. If half of the bullet kinetic energy loss is absorbed as heat by the bullet, that represents a loss of 480 Joules of bullet energy, or a reduction from 2250 to about 1750 Joules (670 m/sec to 591 m/sec).
Question:
Are you saying that CE 399 should have been greatly deformed because it should have melted?