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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 12:08:24 AM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on May 18, 2024, 02:20:06 AM
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Once again, you ignore nearly everything I've posted and this time reproduce just a single sentence. It's quite funny that the single sentence you reproduce is the one pointing out that you ignore nearly everything I've posted.
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What we know with 100% certainty is that he is not describing a gap of more than four and a half seconds.
This is the gap required for Mason's Absolutely Demented Theory [ the MAD theory aka The Masonic Bodge].
There is no possible way Connally is mistaking a 4.5 second gap for automatic fire.
There is no possible way Connally is mistaking a 4.5 second gap for two or three shooters.
There is no possible way Connally is mistaking a 4.5 second gap for a "split second".
A first shot at z193 and a second shot at z271 is 78 frames or 4.26 seconds. But it is not just Connolly who puts the first two shots that far apart. Dozens of witnesses said there was a longer pause between the first two with the last two in rapid succession. Some said the ratio was about 2 to 1.

We don’t expect people to be clocks, especially when they are preoccupied with what is happening to them.

It is not surprising that he would think it was automatic fire. JBC’s experience with rifles was as a hunter. I suggest that 3 shots in 6.5 or 6.6 seconds rarely occurs when hunting with a bolt action rifle.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: T.F. Bowley, A Wind-Up Wristwatch & 1:17
« Last post by Bill Brown on May 18, 2024, 11:33:54 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on May 11, 2024, 04:51:56 PM
If he had any plan - and there wasn't a good one under the circumstances - it would have been to get out of Dallas likely heading to Mexico.

Really? And that's why he ended up walking east on a go nowhere suburban street where there are no bus stops whatsoever? Do you not understand just how stupid this makes you look?

There are some good FBI materials explaining the nearby bus routes.

Those "nearby bus routes" were all on Jefferson, so why in the world would Oswald not simply have walked down N. Crawford street to get to the bus stops instead of turning left onto 10th street? You entire argument, as per usual, makes no sense.

In terms of the bag, Frazier was simply off in his estimate of its length.  There are lots of reasons to support that conclusion.

There is not a shred of evidence to conclude that Frazier was off in his estimate of the bag. And there are no valid reasons to support such a conclusion. It's all wishful thinking on your part.

No bag matching Frazier's description was ever found,

So what? Did they even search for it? Did they even ask Oswald what he did with the bag he carried into the TSBD? And if they did, why is that (and his answer) not in the interrogator's reports?

a longer bag with Oswald's prints was found,

"Found" at his place of work, at a location he would be everyday and made out of TSBD packaging materials. There is no evidence whatsoever it ever contained a rifle or that it ever left the TSBD.

Oswald denied carrying any long bag or curtain rods rendering his story to Frazier suspect etc.

The interrogators claimed Oswald denied carrying a "long bag", but what exactly is a "long bag"? Did the interrogators give him dimensions or some sort of description? Or did they simply ask about "a long bag", whatever that would have meant to Oswald?

As for the curtain rods story, there is at least one other plausible explanation for it; Oswald simply used it to explain his trip to Irving instead of having to tell his 19 year old co-worker about his marital problems.

You really have got nothing conclusive, Smith, and are blowing hot air once again.


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Really? And that's why he ended up walking east on a go nowhere suburban street where there are no bus stops whatsoever? Do you not understand just how stupid this makes you look?

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Those "nearby bus routes" were all on Jefferson, so why in the world would Oswald not simply have walked down N. Crawford street to get to the bus stops instead of turning left onto 10th street? You entire argument, as per usual, makes no sense.

The nearest transfer point in Oak Cliff on the Marsalis line (which is the line that the transfer was good for) was at Jefferson Blvd., roughly three blocks away from the site of the Tippit shooting scene.  Oswald, if he were walking east on Tenth, was heading in that exact direction.

If you familiarize yourself with a street map of the area, you'd know that going all the way down Crawford to Jefferson and then "simply" walking east on Jefferson to the bus stop would include serious backtracking along Jefferson, since Jefferson bends drastically back north.

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with a map of the area before telling Richard Smith that he looks stupid? 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Royell Storing on May 18, 2024, 11:03:05 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on May 18, 2024, 09:35:54 PM
Why is it ludicrous thinking?
His back was totally f%cked and he was wearing a brace. He stuffed himself as tightly into the corner as possible to get through the ordeal of the motorcade,
There are dozens of photographs of the motorcade, is there one that shows him not stuffed into the corner?
Why not show this pic rather than make some bullsh%t statement?

   Yeah, JFK was wearing a back brace. That back brace did Not transform him into a Cigar Store Indian. Everybody saw him at the breakfast and walking around in general. This thought process that defies reality is what is necessary in order to  support the SBT. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Last post by Dan O'meara on May 18, 2024, 10:33:46 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Organ on May 18, 2024, 09:40:36 PM
Well, there are at least three Crime Lab Photos taken of the Sniper's Nest on November 22nd prior to boxes being moved. The reconstruction done on Monday (without reference photos, it would seem) proved inaccurate in terms of the boxes by the window but afforded better viewpoints of the overall scene, so some came to be used as exhibits. A good idea; probably not. No one thought the paper bag was evidence at the time and it got moved, but testimony established where it was.

You're confusing the Sniper's Perch with the Sniper's Nest.
I never mentioned anything about photographing the Sniper's Nest.
And your notion that no-one thought the long bag was connected to the crime is massively wrong. Plenty of first responders thought that the bag was used to carry the rifle. I'm really surprised you're not aware of this. But, of course you are aware of this.
Are you also aware that the picture of the Sniper's Perch in evidence taken on Monday the 25th is labelled as being taken shortly after the assassination?
Of course you are.
Are you aware that drawing a picture of where evidence was doesn't really count?
At least you agree about Bonnie Ray's lunch.

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When did police anywhere tape-record interrogations in that era? Maybe some confessions were taped. Back then, the FBI-on-down relied on notes, which usually formed the basis of reports, and the courts accepted those reports as accurate; they also allowed a law officer to testify while referring to his notes. It's not that "Nutters" think police were infallible; it's more that they understand the law enforcement of the time and not to apply the "CSI Effect".

Where do you think the DPD failed?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Royell Storing on May 18, 2024, 09:52:10 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Organ on May 17, 2024, 11:11:48 PM


The red part of the blue arrow indicates the passage of the bullet though the neck. It emerges on left side of necktie knot.



    Really? If you look closely at that "blue arrow", the "blue arrow" travels directly Through an SS Agent(s) that would be standing on the (R) running board of the Queen Mary. This is something the shot experts never include in their re-creations. The Queen Mary was closely following behind the JFK Limo with (2) large SS Agents on both of the Queen Mary running boards. Those 2 Agents on the (R) running board would have made both shots that struck JFK extremely difficult if fired from the 6th floor sniper's nest.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Last post by Jerry Organ on May 18, 2024, 09:40:36 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on May 18, 2024, 08:15:10 PM
A serious problem with this case is the staggering incompetence of the good ol' boy investigation.
Not a single piece of evidence, other than the rifle, was photographed in it's original position - not the Sniper's Perch (a staged photo was put in evidence), not the hulls (picked up by Fritz before being photographed), not the rifle bag ( a drawing of where it was positioned was put in evidence!!) and not Bonnie Ray Williams' lunch remains (discovered by at least SEVEN first responders on top of the boxes that formed the SN).

Well, there are at least three Crime Lab Photos taken of the Sniper's Nest on November 22nd prior to boxes being moved. The reconstruction done on Monday (without reference photos, it would seem) proved inaccurate in terms of the boxes by the window but afforded better viewpoints of the overall scene, so some came to be used as exhibits. A good idea; probably not. No one thought the paper bag was evidence at the time and it got moved, but testimony established where it was.

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That there was no tape recording or stenographer present during Oswald's interrogation regarding the assassination of the President of the United States is simply mind-blowing.
All of this is fuel for the Conspiracy Theorist, the trick is trying to discern what is incompetence, what is corruption and what is conspiracy.
It doesn't help that Nutters believe law enforcement can never do anything wrong and everything was done honestly and competently. It reveals them for the frauds they really are.

When did police anywhere tape-record interrogations in that era? Maybe some confessions were taped. Back then, the FBI-on-down relied on notes, which usually formed the basis of reports, and the courts accepted those reports as accurate; they also allowed a law officer to testify while referring to his notes. It's not that "Nutters" think police were infallible; it's more that they understand the law enforcement of the time and not to apply the "CSI Effect".
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Dan O'meara on May 18, 2024, 09:35:54 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on May 18, 2024, 09:26:14 PM
   As I said earlier, Nobody knows the exact position of JFK when the shot entered his BACK. The LN'ers want to believe that JFK was Frozen in 1 position from Love Field all the way until he traveled down Elm St. Ludicrous thinking, but this is what supporting the SBT mandates.

Why is it ludicrous thinking?
His back was totally f%cked and he was wearing a brace. He stuffed himself as tightly into the corner as possible to get through the ordeal of the motorcade,
There are dozens of photographs of the motorcade, is there one that shows him not stuffed into the corner?
Why not show this pic rather than make some bullsh%t statement?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Royell Storing on May 18, 2024, 09:26:14 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Organ on May 17, 2024, 03:39:36 PM


The Love Field photos don't show Kennedy as he was seated for the neck wound.

In the example above, the original photo (left inset) shows the President was tilted away from the car interior and towards Jackie. He's reaching up to shake hands. In Dealey Plaza, he didn't lean towards Jackie and shake hands. The tip of the blue arrow reaches to the armpit area of the Governor.



Connally needed no adjustment because his torso seems to have some rotation, though not as much as in Dealey Plaza.

   As I said earlier, Nobody knows the exact position of JFK when the shot entered his BACK. The LN'ers want to believe that JFK was Frozen in 1 position from Love Field all the way until he traveled down Elm St. Ludicrous thinking, but this is what supporting the SBT mandates.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Last post by Dan O'meara on May 18, 2024, 08:15:10 PM »
Quote from: Fergus O'brien on May 17, 2024, 03:43:28 PM
you still have a problem with the LESS THAN HONEST bit dont you ? . whether you want to ignore it or not Fritz was atleast less than honest when it came to THIS CASE  , likewise Hosty and likewise Holmes . Bookhout is another matter . and as i said that then colors the opinion of people , it gives them valid reason to doubt their word . after all you would probably say at the least (as an example ) that you have valid reason to doubt the word of Earlene roberts regarding certain claims she made . however you would cite her and rely upon other claims he made . to put it simply if you were to lie , to be less than honest on more than one occasion , would not the members here have a valid reason to be distrustful of you ? .

i cant speak about why a person would do what they did , all i can do is tell you what they did , after that you or others can decide why they did it . and once again A MODICUM OF COMMON SENSE please , how could the DPD say Oswald admitted carrying a rifle when HE at every opportunity ON TV and in front of masses of press vehemently protested his innocence and denied any and all quilt ? .

as has been pointed out here already and it seems ignored is that we were told  NO interrogation notes were kept , that was a lie was it not ? . because they exist today . and the notes such as they are now may not even have been written at the time of interrogation but later , perhaps after Oswalds death . when of course they then could never be disputed .

A serious problem with this case is the staggering incompetence of the good ol' boy investigation.
Not a single piece of evidence, other than the rifle, was photographed in it's original position - not the Sniper's Perch (a staged photo was put in evidence), not the hulls (picked up by Fritz before being photographed), not the rifle bag ( a drawing of where it was positioned was put in evidence!!) and not Bonnie Ray Williams' lunch remains (discovered by at least SEVEN first responders on top of the boxes that formed the SN).
That there was no tape recording or stenographer present during Oswald's interrogation regarding the assassination of the President of the United States is simply mind-blowing.
All of this is fuel for the Conspiracy Theorist, the trick is trying to discern what is incompetence, what is corruption and what is conspiracy.
It doesn't help that Nutters believe law enforcement can never do anything wrong and everything was done honestly and competently. It reveals them for the frauds they really are.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Last post by Dan O'meara on May 18, 2024, 07:41:14 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Organ on May 17, 2024, 11:11:48 PM


The red part of the blue arrow indicates the passage of the bullet though the neck. It emerges on left side of necktie knot.



Truly excellent graphics, as usual, but it seems to me JBC's torso is turned more to the right in Zapruder than your graphic shows but that's just my layman's opinion.
It's a pity Knotts Lab couldn't manage anything even remotely as good as this.
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