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The sudden movement of JBC that begins at z271-272 and continues through z278 before he falls back.


The position of JBC at 271-272 relative to the sniper’s nest window is not compatible with a bullet entering and exiting JBC’s back and chest respectively in the places that it actually did enter and exit. Plus, going from memory, JBC testified that he turned back to his right AFTER he was shot. How do you explain these two issues with your idea?

Yes, that was going to be my followup question: How can JBC be hit in the back when he's clearly turned sideways at 271/272? Even before that he's turned away from the building.

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The sudden movement of JBC that begins at z271-272 and continues through z278 before he falls back. It is subtle but before he falls back onto Nellie he moves toward the front of the car without moving any part of his body to initiate this motion.

There is also a slight change in his hand position and the hat he is holding between z271 and z272.

Mason's sailing-forward bullet impact on the Guv.

Mason's "sailing forward" cherry-pick GIF, with zoom-out. It's centered on the President which accentuates the "forward" movement of Connally, as well as the near-side of the parade bar, which is seen "moving" forward.

Connally actually pivots in his seat towards Nellie and away from the camera. The angle of Connally's shirt collar, for example, becomes flatter as his torso pivots and reclines. At no point does Connally "sail forward".

There is also the odd lifting of JFK’s hair on the right side of his head that George Hickey observed at the time of the second shot (z273-277).

Finally, there is Wm Greer’s first turn around at around z280 which he said he did immediately after -“almost simultaneous” with- the second shot.

Hickey (on right edge of photo above) is looking backwards and his head is lower than the standing agents. Photo taken one second before Mason says Hickey turned fully around, scanned about and saw Kennedy's hair 'flew forward".

Hickey associated the hair movement with the impact on the head: ""the right side of his head was hit and his hair flew forward". The Z270s hair movement is a tiny lock that falls downward because Kennedy's head is tilted forward. Hickey can't see that part of Kennedy's head. Mason is tailoring the evidence to fit his lamebrain Theory.

What about JC s sudden snatching the hat up in the air at about Z230?

Doesn’t that indicate something more than just JC hearing a shot and then trying to turn around?

Can Andrew point out anything in the Z270-ish range of frames indicating
some kind of impact of a bullet hitting JC?

You are not getting the point.  If Frazier is telling the truth, then Oswald is lying.  You can't have it both ways.  The idea that someone would confuse a normal lunch sack for a bag over two feet long - particularly after Frazier indicates that he specifically asked Oswald about his lunch because he was not carrying his lunch bag, and Oswald confirmed to him that he didn't have it is comedy gold.   But if this is your claim, then it is necessary explain to us why Oswald would carry a bag about two feet long or his lunch, tell Frazier it contained curtain rods, and that he didn't have his lunch that day but then tell the police that he didn't carry curtain rods, his lunch or a bag this size the length described by Frazier.  It's laughable to accept your claim. 

If Oswald were innocent, no one would have had to look for this bag.  He would have instructed the police to find it and insisted that they did so because it would have assisted his case.  He only denies the existence of a long bag because he knows it will incriminate him.  Even a child could understand that.  And how do we know they searched the building?  Because one of the things they found was - wait for it - a long bag!  Whose prints were on this very bag?  Wait for it - Oswald's!  Then you go down the path of the implying that someone planted this bag while going on and on about not claiming a VAST conspiracy.  HA HA HA.  That is rich irony.  The bag is pictured being carried out of the building.  Several police officers saw it.  Case closed.

Yes, but like most conspiracists he doesn't trust or believe the police and government. So whatever evidence they produce - directly or indirectly - of Oswald's guilt is in his view part of the framing of Oswald. It doesn't matter how much evidence - the backyard photos, Marina's testimony, Frazier's testimony, the physical evidence, the circumstantial, even Oswald's statements (at least when they implicate him) - it's all corrupt. Because "the CIA" and Guatemala and Operation Northwoods and military industrial complex and JFK was a threat to that.

It's a bit amazing that they demand all of the evidence, all of the files be released. They say they want all of the information. Then they turn around and try to eliminate the evidence against Oswald by saying "chain of custody" and hearsay. They want all of the evidence on one hand and want to make it disappear on the other.

One more: Oswald was dead. They can say he admitted to the backyard photos, to carrying a large package, to going to Mexico City, to hating JFK. But they didn't. Why not? In conspiracy world everything was controlled, micromanaged, directed but they didn't do obvious things like this?