Reclaiming Misery aka Reclaiming History

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Reclaiming Misery aka Reclaiming History
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2018, 09:01:17 PM »
I agree.  That's not a roll call.  The police would have been gathering witness names and addresses (something they were supposed to have done in the Texas Theater too) not seeing who was missing.

If there really had been a roll call, wouldn't Truly have remembered it too?  And if there had really been a roll call they would have known that Oswald was not the only one missing.

Dirty Harvey was the only one not missing from the sn at 12:30
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Reclaiming Misery aka Reclaiming History
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2018, 08:35:09 PM »
Isn't it possible that the rifle was not in a complete "disassembled" state...

Isn't it possible there was a conspiracy?

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Reclaiming Misery aka Reclaiming History
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2018, 08:42:08 PM »
Isn't it possible there was a conspiracy?

Again, what would be the minimal amount of disassembly necessary to fit the MC rifle into the bag?  Would it require a complete disassembly as depicted in that picture or just connecting the barrel to the rifle stock?  This is not a trick question as I have never assembled a MC rifle and am curious as to the answer.  It has implications for the minimum amount of time it would have taken for Oswald to assemble the rifle.

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2018, 08:49:52 PM »
Isn't it possible there was a conspiracy?

Is it possible that you just avoided answering Richard's question?
« Last Edit: July 16, 2018, 08:52:41 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: Reclaiming Misery aka Reclaiming History
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2018, 09:13:32 PM »
Again, what would be the minimal amount of disassembly necessary to fit the MC rifle into the bag?  Would it require a complete disassembly as depicted in that picture or just connecting the barrel to the rifle stock?  This is not a trick question as I have never assembled a MC rifle and am curious as to the answer.  It has implications for the minimum amount of time it would have taken for Oswald to assemble the rifle.

Oswald may have loosened the screws (somewhat) the night before, thus speeding up the reassembly

It seems from this disassembly that separating the barrel from the stock is rather easy
By this video, seems he could be finished by step 8-9 re partial disassembly

http://thisoldrifle.com/carcano9138/rifledisassembly/index.asp
« Last Edit: July 16, 2018, 09:27:03 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Reclaiming Misery aka Reclaiming History
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2018, 09:28:33 PM »
  Would it require a complete disassembly as depicted in that picture or just connecting the barrel to the rifle stock?  This is not a trick question as I have never assembled a MC rifle and am curious as to the answer.  It has implications for the minimum amount of time it would have taken for Oswald to assemble the rifle.

OK Rich.... actually I have only disassembled my shotgun [Winchester 1400 12 ga. auto]
It isn't hard to do but I have Teflon screwdrivers so I don't bugger the metal.
But shotguns are different from rifles.
I have a .22 Marlin semi auto.. the trigger housing is screwed into the stock.
Have you seen the link here?
http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/pdfArticles/TheMannlicher-Carcano.pdf

 It should have been determined and reported by the FBI [Robt Frazier?] that the MC in question was indeed reassembled like quickly with a what? Crude fastening device? I mean they analyzed Oswald's pubic hairs and stuff like that ::)

I see you found a link.
http://thisoldrifle.com/carcano9138/rifledisassembly/index.asp

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Re: Reclaiming Misery aka Reclaiming History
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2018, 11:03:54 PM »
 
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We are left to assume that disassembly of the
weapon is a quick, simple and straightforward process at the end of which
we have the
rifle in two pieces: the wooden stock and the remainder of it
consisting of the metal part. In reality, this is far from the truth.
At this point, I must also question the object of taking the time and trouble
to completely disassemble and then reassemble
the weapon in order to
make a saving of less than six inches in its length.
Twelve separate components
?
plus a sling
Perhaps it is appropriate at this stage to explain exactly what is involved
when you disassemble this weapon. Despite the automatic ass
umption that
you have a ?wooden part? and a ?metal part?, there is far more to it than
that. When
fully
disassembled, which it
has
 to be to isolate the wooden
stock, the rifle is broken down into no fewer than 12 separate components.
Yes, twelve! Now that is something which the Warren Commission omitted
to reveal. Even then, there is a further item to consider, although it is not
strictly speaking part of the rifle. This is the sling (which was fitted to the
alleged assassination weapon when it was found).
If we then go along with the Warren Commission?s main conclusion that
Oswald was the lone assassin, we have to add an ammunition clip and four
unexpended rounds of ammunition. I can just visualize Oswald climbing into
Frazier?s car carrying a paper sack i
n which all those assorted ingredients of
the rifle are jangling about.
http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/pdfArticles/TheMannlicher-Carcano.pdf