The William Pitzer Murder

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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: The William Pitzer Murder
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2018, 01:00:35 AM »
 The criticisms of Marvin significant Maybe he decided he was mistaken on who it was who supposedly asked him to kill Pitzer. I checked out his website. Seems like he raises some interesting questions One that struck me in terms of Mrs Pitzer's' right to know about the autopsy According to Marvin she was not allowed any information for 25 years

http://expendableelite.com/UW_archives/UW_archive.0004.html

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Re: The William Pitzer Murder
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2018, 04:13:41 AM »
The criticisms of Marvin significant Maybe he decided he was mistaken on who it was who supposedly asked him to kill Pitzer. I checked out his website. Seems like he raises some interesting questions One that struck me in terms of Mrs Pitzer's' right to know about the autopsy According to Marvin she was not allowed any information for 25 years

http://expendableelite.com/UW_archives/UW_archive.0004.html

Marvin was originally certain that it was Vanek. When the ARRB was able to find Vanek, and got a statement from him denying any involvement, Marvin was suddenly equivocal. As Palmer and Eaglesham put it, Marvin's revised position "represented a significant retreat: from certainty of identification to 'who I thought to be David Vanek.'" In fact, Marvin's account changes in a number of other ways. One of the more pronounced was Marvin's original clam that he and Vanek had walked with each other talking about the assassination offer. In the new version, Marvin never got closer than 40' to the now-maybe-Vanek. When P&E began to press Marvin about the issue, Marvin became increasingly evasive to the point where he simply lost credibility with Palmer and Eaglesham. Something similar happened between Heiner and Marvin.

As for Marvin's website (assuming it wasn't actually written by one of Trine Day's copywriters), look at the following passage

"as the investigative report tells of Pitzer committing suicide by a right-handed self-inflicted handgun wound in the head and yet Pitzer?s associate whom he had shared the fact and the essence of his secret possession of the autopsy photos, Dennis D. David, told me unequivocally, when I first spoke with him, that his friend William Bruce Pitzer was indeed left handed."

If you've gone through Eaglesham's recounting of his investigation into Pitzer's death, you might have noticed this:

"In a telephone conversation with Daniel Marvin in 1995, of which I have an audiotape, Mrs. Pitzer stated clearly that her husband had been right-handed [4]:

Marvin: Was he -- was Bill -- right-handed or left-handed?
Mrs. Pitzer: He was right-handed.
Marvin: Right-handed."

This was before Marvin started working with Heiner, and before the Expendable Elite book/website came out. He knew Pitzer was right-handed, so why not tell us?

Now, I expect you were wondering about this particular claim: "Why was the widow Pitzer refused a copy of her husband?s autopsy for 25 years after his death?" My question is, was she really refused? Or is Marvin(and/ or his Trine Day ghost) simply trying to insinuate something sinister where they is no evidence by asking an open-ended question?

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Re: The William Pitzer Murder
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2018, 05:41:31 PM »
So Hersch was the only expert to examine the 20 autopsy photographs?

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Re: The William Pitzer Murder
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2018, 12:59:29 AM »
So Hersch was the only expert to examine the 20 autopsy photographs?

Eaglesham sent copies of the photos plus a report of his discoveries/findings to Cyril Wecht and Herbert McDonnell for their input.

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Re: The William Pitzer Murder
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2018, 01:57:07 AM »
Eaglesham sent copies of the photos plus a report of his discoveries/findings to Cyril Wecht and Herbert McDonnell for their input.


 Wecht did not respond I assume

 Were the original navy autopsy examiners contacted

I see nothing to indicate a person is less likely to have gunshot residue on their hands than other shootings It is tough to find estimates, at least for me, on how reliable they were in 63

It is also unclear on the protocol for when toxicology test should be preformed. Couldn't find anything clear online so i used a platform for ask a pathologist . will see if I get a response


 This link was interesting and included the following oints

 The FBI estimates the gun was 3 feet from Pitzers head

 Pitzer supposedly checks out the gun the day of the his death but the signature is illegible

 Several notes are found that Pitzer was writing right before his death One of these notes has a shoe print that was not Pitzers

Fracture, comminuted, supraorbital plate, sphenoid bone, left... After removal of the brain a third defect in the bony skull is encountered. This consists of a large defect in the left supra-orbital plate measuring 3.0 x 1.0 cm.

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKpitzerW.htm







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Re: The William Pitzer Murder
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2018, 03:01:02 PM »
 At this point I am inclined to feel that the note Pitzer has written near, or at the time of, a possible attack, and which contains a partial unidentified heel print,is perhaps the most damning evidence for murder. anyone want to be posit another explanation? Does Eaglesham ever mention it?

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Re: The William Pitzer Murder
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2018, 05:24:37 PM »

 Wecht did not respond I assume

 Were the original navy autopsy examiners contacted

I see nothing to indicate a person is less likely to have gunshot residue on their hands than other shootings It is tough to find estimates, at least for me, on how reliable they were in 63

It is also unclear on the protocol for when toxicology test should be preformed. Couldn't find anything clear online so i used a platform for ask a pathologist . will see if I get a response


 This link was interesting and included the following points

 The FBI estimates the gun was 3 feet from Pitzers head

Who shoots himself in the head with a pistol held three feet from his head?