What happened to the Mauser?

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #364 on: January 16, 2019, 12:03:51 AM »
The clips do not always do what they're supposed to. They sometimes stick and have to be forced out by hand. Oswald's was like that. Being loose/free inside the weapon does not mean that it was free to move side to side enough to rattle around.

    If the clip were "LOOSE/FREE" inside the weapon, by definition this means it would Rattle. There has to be some room/space inside the magazine for the clip to Drop/Fall down and out of the weapon. This room/space would explain the rattle of a "loose/free" clip inside the weapon.  When a clip has to be "forced out" by hand", it is partially visible hanging from the magazine. This is what we see in the Image of Lt Day walking down Elm St after exiting the TSBD vs there being No Clip visible hanging from the magazine while the rifle was inside the TSBD.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #365 on: January 16, 2019, 12:11:59 AM »
    If the clip were "LOOSE/FREE" inside the weapon, by definition this means it would Rattle.

Nonsense.

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There has to be some room/space inside the magazine for the clip to Drop/Fall down and out of the weapon. This room/space would explain the rattle of a "loose/free" clip inside the weapon.  When a clip has to be "forced out" by hand", it is partially visible hanging from the magazine. This is what we see in the Image of Lt Day walking down Elm St after exiting the TSBD vs there being No Clip visible hanging from the magazine while the rifle was inside the TSBD.

The fact that the clip can be seen protruding from the rifle does not mean that it had been forced out by hand. It had worked it's way out due the handling of it by Day. 

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #366 on: January 16, 2019, 01:29:41 AM »
Nonsense.

The fact that the clip can be seen protruding from the rifle does not mean that it had been forced out by hand. It had worked it's way out due the handling of it by Day.

     If the Carcano clip is seen protruding from the rifle bottom, it needs to be dislodged/extracted by hand. The opening at the bottom of the rifle is Wider than the Clip. What do you think is holding the Clip inside a space that is wider than it is? It is jammed as Mytton's You Tube visual aide demonstrated.
     If the clip Worked its' way out of the rifle "due to the handling of it by Day", then the Clip would have been Rattling around inside the weapon as I stated earlier. You disputed the "rattling" at that time. Now, you are trumpeting this.  You are inconsistently grasping at straws due to being unfamiliar with the operation of the rifle.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #367 on: January 16, 2019, 02:31:15 AM »
     If the Carcano clip is seen protruding from the rifle bottom, it needs to be dislodged/extracted by hand. The opening at the bottom of the rifle is Wider than the Clip. What do you think is holding the Clip inside a space that is wider than it is? It is jammed as Mytton's You Tube visual aide demonstrated.
     If the clip Worked its' way out of the rifle "due to the handling of it by Day", then the Clip would have been Rattling around inside the weapon as I stated earlier. You disputed the "rattling" at that time. Now, you are trumpeting this.  You are inconsistently grasping at straws due to being unfamiliar with the operation of the rifle.

I'm still disputing the rattling. And I'm not being inconsistent at all. The only possible rattling that comes to mind right now is that going on between yours. The clip doesn't have to do any rattling at all in order to slowly slide out of the bottom of the rifle.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #368 on: January 16, 2019, 02:34:44 AM »
The clips do not always do what they're supposed to. They sometimes stick and have to be forced out by hand. Oswald's was like that. Being loose/free inside the weapon does not mean that it was free to move side to side enough to rattle around.
Since you allowed yourself to entertain us with your explanation for the missing clip, or the reappearing clip or...why don't we just call it the "magical clip"?( I got the idea from that damn "magical bullet theory", can you believe it?)

Tim, you are exactly right about those uncooperative clips. Clearly, you can not believe a lone gunman with one gun is responsible for JFK'S death, isn't that right?

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #369 on: January 16, 2019, 02:51:01 AM »
Since you allowed yourself to entertain us with your explanation for the missing clip, or the reappearing clip or...why don't we just call it the "magical clip"?( I got the idea from that damn "magical bullet theory", can you believe it?)

WOW! Brilliant. You can call them the "magical clip" and the "magical bullet theory". I'll stick with what they really are: The brass clip from Oswald's rifle and the single bullet of the single bullet theory. There is nothing magical about either of them.

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Tim, you are exactly right about those uncooperative clips. Clearly, you can not believe a lone gunman with one gun is responsible for JFK'S death, isn't that right?

Why would I not believe a lone gunman with one gun was responsible for JFK'S death, when the evidence overwhelmingly establishes that he was?
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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #370 on: January 16, 2019, 03:01:34 AM »
The gun could be used for a prop in a play at best. And if you're saying it was used to kill Kennedy, wait a second. Think of the most outrageous theory you have heard, how about the one where the Limo Driver,  Agent Greer, is the Assasin. As silly as that sounds, it's not as silly as being told it was some Italian gun parts cobbled together then used by LHO.  A reasonable person would not believe either as the truth.
Referring to the Mannlicher Carcano with the serial number c 2766...

The gun could be used for a prop in a play at best.

That's right on the money...And that's what De M and Lee O intended to use it for, when they ordered it from Kleins...

Lee used it in the BY photo CE 133A to make himself appear to be a well armed communist revolutionary in the image of Fidel Castro ( Castro frequently was photographed while holding a rifle) 

And he left it beneath a pile of brush after a bullet was fired through Walker's window...He intended for the police dogs to find the rifle and then the police could easily have traced that unusual rifle to him.....  And when they visited his apartment They would have found the blue note book that was full of information, which included the photos of him holding the carcano, Walker's house, the vicinity of Walker's house, Bus schedules and maps of the area, and probably the note which instructed Marina what she should do if he had been captured or killed.  And of course Lee would have been on his way to Cuba to escape prosecution .