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Kennedy vs the CIA
Jerry Freeman:
Oct 2, 1963
Stated in the article..."Kennedy will have to make a judgment if...the functioning of the CIA is to be preserved"
The CIA made it for him it seems.
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Rob Caprio on July 07, 2018, 02:09:44 AM ---Some researchers have said that the high source that told Krock those things was JFK himself.
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The only sources mentioned in the article are in Saigon. Any researcher who thinks it was JFK is a fool.
BTW, the article is really about ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge's efforts to get rid of Saigon CIA station chief John Richardson. Lodge saw Richardson as an obstacle to removing Diem from power via coup d'etat. Lodge wound up publicly outing Richardson, forcing the CIA to remove him.
This is an Esquire article by Richardson's son, with Jr's take on the kerfluffle:
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a1653/father-spy-0399/
Here is Richardson's obituary in the NYT, with some reminisence from Daniel Sheehan.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/14/us/john-h-richardson-84-cia-station-chief-in-saigon-in-early-60s.html
"'And then Henry Cabot Lodge took over' as United States Ambassador in Saigon, Mr. Sheehan said, 'and he deliberately forced Richardson to leave as part of his campaign to bring down the regime -- not because Richardson had performed badly as station chief, but because Richardson was a kind of symbol of American support for Nhu'
Barry Pollard:
Sources clearly mentioned are both Saigon and Washington, the latter often with presidential approval.
Article is about the administration's internal differences with the CIA.
The Lodge item just one example of info leaked to the press on the conflict.
From the esquire piece and relating to Robinson's questioning of Nazis;
"I have sworn on the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man".
That's a hard out for me.
How many of JFK's 16,000 men in Vietnam were CIA? One researcher says most of them, pure black ops warfare and most actions neither recorded or reported, this is after BOP.
As time went on JFK wanted to replace or control them with Pentagon/Army people, true?
Diem was taken out not for the tens of thousands he killed, nor the thousands he imprisoned, not even for the Budhist situation or his lol, stance on "democratic rights" but rather, because he and his brother were again and consistantly asking the US to leave, so they could begin talks with the north and that, could not be tolerated but everything before that was. Diem would rather deal with the north than have all those foreign troops running around, wasn't "his country" anymore and they couldn't stand it, he wanted out and they got it. Democracy was never a real option, far too unreliable and peace with the north unthinkable.
Brian Walker:
--- Quote from: Barry Pollard on July 09, 2018, 04:18:24 AM ---
How many of JFK's 16,000 men in Vietnam were CIA? One researcher says most of them, ?
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Not a good sign if only one researcher said that. Researchers claim all kinds of things. IF that researcher had any proof at all of what he claimed it would be common knowledge and you would not have to talk about one researcher.
Who is that researcher?
Barry Pollard:
--- Quote from: Brian Walker on July 09, 2018, 03:06:21 PM ---Not a good sign if only one researcher said that. Researchers claim all kinds of things. IF that researcher had any proof at all of what he claimed it would be common knowledge and you would not have to talk about one researcher.
Who is that researcher?
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Hey Brian.
I'm almost positive it was Greg Burnham in one of his talks on JFK's withdrawal from Vietnam, he doesn't go into it, just says it, perhaps you've seen it, it's on Youtube and IIRC not too far from the beginning.
Anyway, they don't all have to be CIA but the idea is, it was in their hands, they're calling many of the shots on the ground, more or less.
Also, proof of what what went on during JFK's Vietnam war, is pretty thin on the ground is it not?
All I've read and heard from CT's over the years is about the withdrawal, that, they know and talk about.
Here's, I think, a really good summary of the Vietman war from the start, what you want to take note of though, if you have the time, is what happens when JFK enters the arena, the speaker go into such a defence of JFK it's embarrassing. Even when encouraged by the interviewer to talk about what was done over there during JFK's reign, he cannot do it.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiIdmbxPqI
Here's another one from a modern Dutch/American expert on the Vietnam war, he starts his lecture on the war with the Johnson administration!! So perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places... any tips?
Not recommended watching btw, body laungage is annoying as hell.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6AvtCQBreI
Apologies Jerry if you feel this is slightly OT.
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