Did Oswald really beat his wife?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald really beat his wife?
« Reply #119 on: June 07, 2022, 08:42:16 PM »

  I never would expect you to get the point of this thread.
It is not about wife beating.
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Why did the Paines not report such behavior?
Could have fooled me. The thread title is:Did Oswald really beat his wife?
...The innuendo and straight out lies and smears aimed at discrediting Marina, the Frazier's, the Paine's etc etc (even questioning the sexual orientation of Ruth Paine) has been going on for years yet it's unfair to talk about the character of the scumbag that murdered the Pres and a Dallas cop?
Mr Howsley seems like quite the emotional person huh?
Even bringing up those unrelated topics.
The point of this thread was the zeal with which the Warren gang wished to convict Oswald [the dead guy] of the assassination utilizing any and all violent traits that they can muster including beating his wife.
As Ms Paine is mentioned- here was her testimony----
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Mr. JENNER - And during all the visits you ever had with her, all the tete-a-tetes, her living with you on this occasion we now describe as 15 1/2 days, and in the fall, was there any occasion when Marina Oswald related to you any abuse, physical abuse, by her husband, Lee Harvey Oswald, with respect to her?
 Mrs. PAINE - There was never any such occasion.
Mr. JENNER - Never any such occasion. And in particular this incident?
Mrs. PAINE - She related this incident, but it did not include anything further than he had been very angry and hurt.
Mr. JENNER - Up to this time, that is, the time she came to you on the 24th, had you ever seen any bruises--
Mrs. PAINE - No; I never saw her--
Mr. JENNER - On her person?
Mrs. PAINE - No; I never saw her bruised.
Mr. JENNER - At no time that you have ever seen her or known her, have you ever seen her bruised?
Mrs. PAINE - At no time.
Mr. JENNER - So that there has been no occasion when you have seen it, or been led to believe, she had been subjected to any physical abuse by her husband?
Mrs. PAINE - That is right.
You would think that with the time spent together...the house duties ...time together with the kiddos...the long drives to New Orleans and back...that women would confide all their past relations...any such disturbing history etc.
Yet...according to Ruth Paine there was none that she could relate.
Jenner persisted but Ruth steadfastly denied the accusation.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Did Oswald really beat his wife?
« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2022, 09:04:56 PM »
Ever notice how often that happens in the WC testimony? Whenever they get an answer they don’t like, they keep re-asking the question over and over.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Did Oswald really beat his wife?
« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2022, 09:35:42 PM »
Oswald leaving his wedding ring in Marina's family tea cup was just another coincidence, eh John?


If Lee left his wedding ring..... Then there's no doubt that is evidence that he murdered President Kennedy.... Do I have this right??     It seems a bit goofy to me.....  Can you explain this "logic" Mr Mytton?

Oswald left his rifle at the crime scene of the assassination of the president.  Everything he did outside the norm that day is of interest in the totality of circumstances.  Oswald's presence itself at the Paine home on a Thursday night was unusual.  Leaving his wedding ring there on the very same day he is arrested for double murder is quite a coincidence if it had nothing to do with his actions that day.  So much bad luck for Old Lee that day!  Time and again he stumbles into a situation like Mr. McGoo that makes him appear guilty.  He just happens to make an unplanned visit to the Paine home (where his wife confirms he kept his rifle) on the night before the assassination.  He just happened to leave his wedding ring there for the first time in his marriage.  He just happened to take his lunch in a bag over two feet long that morning.  He decided to lie to Buell Frazier about his bag and deny to him that he was taking his lunch.  He just happened to work in the building from which shots are fired at the President.  He just happens to be in the building with no alibi at the moment of the assassination.  He just happens to decide to knock off for the day and get a gun.  He just happens to pass the scene of the first murder of a DPD officer in many years.  He just happens to look so much like the shooter as to the identified by several different witness as the person at the scene with a gun.  He just happened to draw the attention of a random shoe salesman who believed he was acting suspiciously.  He just happened to sneak into a movie theatre without buying a ticket.  He decided for some inexplicable reason to resist arrest and pull his gun on police officers who approached him without even waiting to learn what they wanted.  He just happened to have in his possession the same two brands of ammo as used by Tippit's killer.  So much bad luck.  All coincidences?  Nothing to see there with his ring or otherwise.  LOL.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald really beat his wife?
« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2022, 10:07:59 PM »
Oswald left his rifle at the crime scene of the assassination of the president.... blah blah ---   
He did? Really?...what a revelation that is! What a rant that all was.
Jumping to an unrelated topic again.

Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Did Oswald really beat his wife?
« Reply #123 on: June 07, 2022, 10:55:34 PM »
Ever notice how often that happens in the WC testimony? Whenever they get an answer they don’t like, they keep re-asking the question over and over.

I also notice how they go off the record too. The Perry testimony is a good example of that [going by faulty memory]. And it was good old Dulles who was doing it at the time.

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Re: Did Oswald really beat his wife?
« Reply #124 on: June 09, 2022, 12:15:26 AM »
Oswald left his rifle at the crime scene of the assassination of the president.  Everything he did outside the norm that day is of interest in the totality of circumstances.  Oswald's presence itself at the Paine home on a Thursday night was unusual.  Leaving his wedding ring there on the very same day he is arrested for double murder is quite a coincidence if it had nothing to do with his actions that day.  So much bad luck for Old Lee that day!  Time and again he stumbles into a situation like Mr. McGoo that makes him appear guilty.  He just happens to make an unplanned visit to the Paine home (where his wife confirms he kept his rifle) on the night before the assassination.  He just happened to leave his wedding ring there for the first time in his marriage.  He just happened to take his lunch in a bag over two feet long that morning.  He decided to lie to Buell Frazier about his bag and deny to him that he was taking his lunch.  He just happened to work in the building from which shots are fired at the President.  He just happens to be in the building with no alibi at the moment of the assassination.  He just happens to decide to knock off for the day and get a gun.  He just happens to pass the scene of the first murder of a DPD officer in many years.  He just happens to look so much like the shooter as to the identified by several different witness as the person at the scene with a gun.  He just happened to draw the attention of a random shoe salesman who believed he was acting suspiciously.  He just happened to sneak into a movie theatre without buying a ticket.  He decided for some inexplicable reason to resist arrest and pull his gun on police officers who approached him without even waiting to learn what they wanted.  He just happened to have in his possession the same two brands of ammo as used by Tippit's killer.  So much bad luck.  All coincidences?  Nothing to see there with his ring or otherwise.  LOL.

"Oswald left" LOL
"his rifle" LOL
"where his wife confirms he kept his rifle" LOL
Leaving his wedding ring makes him appear guilty of murder LOL
"decide to knock off for the day and get a gun" LOL
"pass the scene" LOL
"look so much like the shooter" LOL
"sneak into a movie theatre without buying a ticket" LOL
"pull his gun on police officers who approached him" LOL
"have in his possession the same two brands of ammo as used by Tippit's killer" LOL

So much fail.


Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Did Oswald really beat his wife?
« Reply #125 on: June 10, 2022, 01:24:39 AM »
He did? Really?...what a revelation that is! What a rant that all was.
Jumping to an unrelated topic again.

It's a "rant" to cite the evidence and totality of circumstances because you disagree with them?  Why not try to articulate a single rebuttal point?  CTer/contrarian responses boil down to 1) commentary about the poster; 2) personal insult; 3) deflection off topic.  An amazing consistency.