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Best motives
Colin Crow:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on August 02, 2018, 04:51:27 PM ---
For starters, Operations Mongoose and Bounty, and the Lansdale "die plan" memo of March 16, 1962.
According to the book "Brothers in Arms,": "The language of the memo speaks for itself. The only thing that Robert Kennedy can be referring to is the assassination of Castro."
There is probably no direct full-disclosure admission from the Kennedys or CIA that they planned to assassinate foreign leaders because they protected themselves with "plausible deniability".
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This is the book "Brothers in Arms" by Gus Russo and Stephen Molton. It talks of a Lansdale memo arising following the meeting referred to. It is without corroboration and presumably in Lansdales' words and should be recognised as such. The CIA plots against certain leaders were instigated during the Eisenhower presidency and, as the Church Committee discovered, likely conveniently continued in the absence of approval by the President. eg. the instruction from JFK to Dearborn,less a than a year earlier, the day before Trujillo was assassinated that " the United States must not run the risk of being associated with political assassination, since the United States, as a matter of general policy, could not condone assassination."
Blake Heisler:
Michael, I don't know if distrust of Catholics in a pre-64 Texas is motive. I was 3 at the time and our best hospitals in and around Beaumont, Tx were St Elizabeth & St Mary, fully staffed with Rosario's. Lyndon B Johnson was a total scoundrel with motive but I don't know if he had enough clout nationwide to get people to do this kind of bidding for him. One way of looking is this. Two trails. One led one down a political path to the top, LBJ, the other took one down a path of sadness and destruction, Joe Kennedy. Irish catholic, empire built on not so scrupulous foundation. His dreams of a worldwide empire was dashed by his 3 brightest sons meeting horrible ends. Even official account of Joe jr's demise over the channel is suspect in my mind. Unimaginable for a father to experience the loss of 3 sons. I used to think all this was a message to him but now I think different.
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on August 02, 2018, 04:51:27 PM ---
For starters, Operations Mongoose and Bounty, and the Lansdale "die plan" memo of March 16, 1962.
According to the book "Brothers in Arms,": "The language of the memo speaks for itself. The only thing that Robert Kennedy can be referring to is the assassination of Castro."
There is probably no direct full-disclosure admission from the Kennedys or CIA that they planned to assassinate foreign leaders because they protected themselves with "plausible deniability".
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Okay, but you said foreign leaders plural. Other than the plots against Castro - plots I think the Kennedys clearly knew about (if not in detail in general) - who did they plan to assassinate? Or have "interest" in assassinating?
I am not aware that Operation Mongoose had anything about assassinating Castro. My understanding is the assassination plots were under a separate program.
Gary Craig:
Before 11/22/63 CUBA
11 days later VIETNAM
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on August 03, 2018, 07:21:10 PM ---Well, since we're splitting hairs, I said "the Kennedys appear to have been interested" which is not a claim that I knew for sure. Plausible deniability keeps us from knowing the full extent. The Castro assassination plots were confined to a select few within the White House Special Group (SG-A) and the CIA, along with liason Lansdale at Defense. RFK chaired the SG-A but I believe he was also briefed in his AG office.
There are some who suspect President Kennedy knew in advance of the assassinations of Rafael Trujillo and President Diem.
The "Cuban Project" was also known as Operation Mongoose. It was run by Air Force Major General Edward Lansdale from the Defense Department, with assistance from William King Harvey at the CIA.
"The Cuban Project played a significant role in the events leading up to the
Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. The Project's six-phase schedule was presented
by Edward Lansdale on February 20, 1962; it was overseen by Attorney
General Robert Kennedy. President Kennedy was briefed on the operation's
guidelines on March 16, 1962. Lansdale outlined the coordinated program of
political, psychological, military, sabotage, and intelligence operations as well
as assassination attempts on key political leaders."
-- Wikipedia
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You were seemingly implying - I can't read your mind - that the Kennedys were interested in killing numerous foreign leaders. As in multiple figures. In fact, the evidence I've seen is that they were "interested" in just one: Castro. And more than just "interested". I think they were quite aware of the plots and implicitly if not explicitly approved of them.
As to Diem and Trujillo: Again, where's the evidence? Didn't Lodge offer Diem and his brother protection in the US Embassy? And they rejected it? I don't think there's any evidence that JFK approved of or signed of on their murder. Same with Trujillo. No US government involvement.
As to the Wikipedia quote: there's no source for the claim that Mongoose also involved the assassination plots against Castro. Again, my understanding is that those plots were organized and run under a more secret program or programs. Mongoose was pretty well documented - there's a long paper trail - and I find it hard to believe that the Castro plots would have been part of it.
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