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Online Steve Howsley

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #328 on: July 20, 2018, 01:49:43 AM »
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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #329 on: July 20, 2018, 07:49:42 AM »



31. I spoke earlier of the virtual impossibility of all the people involved in any conspiracy to kill the president keeping it a secret for even a few days, much less over forty years. But there?s a perhaps even more difficult, and related, reality that the original conspirators would have to overcome. Let?s assume, for example, that the CIA was behind the assassination. After the assassination, how could the CIA have gotten the FBI, Secret Service, Dallas Police Department, the autopsy doctors, indeed, the Warren Commission itself, to go along with the horrendous crime the agency had committed and do the great number of things the conspiracy theorists say these various groups and people did to cover up the CIA?s complicity in Kennedy?s murder? Wouldn?t that be an impossible task?* The only way (there is no other way) that agencies and people like the FBI, autopsy doctors, et cetera, would all agree to cover up the murder of the president of the United States for the CIA (or mob, FBI, military-industrial complex, etc.) would be if they themselves were part of the original conspiracy to kill Kennedy. And again, no rational person can possibly believe that these groups and people all got together to murder the president. The bottom line is that conspiracy musings of the conspiracy theorists are outrageously hallucinatory and bear no relation to reality.
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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #330 on: July 20, 2018, 07:57:53 AM »



32. Even though there?s not a lick of evidence that the CIA, mob, FBI, or any other group conspired with Oswald to kill Kennedy, if the conspiracy theorists could at least show that he had an association or connection with any of these groups, they would then have something to talk about. But here, other than explainable contacts (e.g., the FBI interviewing Oswald when he returned to the United States from Russia, and his very limited attempt to infiltrate anti-Castro Cuban exiles), after the most extensive investigation of a single individual ever conducted, no one has ever come up with any evidence of an association, relationship, or contact that Oswald had with any of these groups. The reason there?s no evidence is that no such evidence exists. As I have said before in this book, it?s all just sublime silliness.       

Since we know that Oswald killed Kennedy, and since there is no evidence that Oswald had any relationship with groups like organized crime, the CIA, the military-industrial complex, or any other group, this fact alone removes these groups from any suspicion of being complicit in the assassination.
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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #331 on: July 20, 2018, 04:58:24 PM »
Fallacious Bugliosi Argument #31

Yet another round of "The conspiracy that I just made up would have been done this way. Isn't that silly?  Therefore there was no conspiracy."

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #332 on: July 20, 2018, 05:03:54 PM »
Who is "we"?

Royal we.

Fallacious Bugliosi Argument #32

Nobody can show that Oswald had any association or connection with any of these groups, except for those times that he did.  Oh, but those are "explainable".  And anything else is "not credible".  Because . . . because . . . Oswald did it alone.  After all, "we know this".

It's mind boggling that anybody actually buys into this painful exercise in circular argumentation.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #332 on: July 20, 2018, 05:03:54 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #333 on: July 20, 2018, 05:28:01 PM »
"Common sense" is the last refuge of someone without sufficient evidence for their beliefs.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #334 on: July 20, 2018, 05:50:05 PM »
Bugliosi is absoutely correct, no evidence of CIA contacts, mafia contacts at all. I know, some relative of LHO's was in organized crime or something like that and Lee talked to him on the phone. One hears all kinds of things.

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Offline Richard Rubio

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #335 on: July 20, 2018, 08:32:41 PM »
No, it's all inclusive. CTs put in the mafia, the CIA, etc. etc. in their plots. As a generalization, he is addressing that.