The Truly Magical Bullet

[Tim Nickerson]

Pardon me if I can't avoid a little sarcasm, or whatever you chose to call it, but at times it is a bit entertaining to watch the results of the cognitive calamity that occurs with some of these nutters Their blinded angry sheep dogma that they own the rights to a CE 399 to a singular interpretation, in exclusion to all others, is such a classic example Even though the condition of bullet for all intents and purposes fits the condition of a bullet that would have fallen out of JFS back wound such chicanery cannot not even be considered since they already own the copyright of that bullet

Matt, you've got it backwards. My interpretation of CE-399 has given me no discomfort whatsoever. It's those who are confronted with it that are afflicted with cognitive calamity. Just go ahead and try coming up with a plausible alternative yourself. "A bullet falling out of JFK's back" simply will not stand up to any amount of scrutiny.

[Richard Rubio]

Pardon me if I can't avoid a little sarcasm, or whatever you chose to call it, but at times it is a bit entertaining to watch the results of the cognitive calamity that occurs with some of these nutters Their blinded angry sheep dogma that they own the rights to a CE 399 to a singular interpretation, in exclusion to all others, is such a classic example Even though the condition of bullet for all intents and purposes fits the condition of a bullet that would have fallen out of JFS back wound such chicanery cannot not even be considered since they already own the copyright of that bullet

Sure, you're pardoned, I see the first post on the previous page putting down lone gunman theories, I see a picture of a parrot but you think it is the "nutters" who are blinded angry sheep. Interesting.

[Jack Trojan]

Psssssst Jimbo, I'm going to let you in on a little secret buddy, so listen closely.

Proponents of the SBT don't have to explain any missing bullets.

They don't have to explain what happened to 'both shots', because they believe one shot caused the non-fatal wounds to JFK and JBC, and that 399 is the bullet that did the wounding.

The explanation for what happened to the bullet that entered JFK's back/neck region is simple, it exited his throat and went on to hit JBC.

By the way Jimbo, I've been taking it easy on you kooks. If as you say the back shot never exited, that means there are two vanishing bullets for you to account for.

Even if you could account for the bullet that entered JFK's back and never exited, that still wouldn't get you off the hook for explaining what happened to the bullet that entered JFK's throat, now would it, Einstein ?

There's nothing baffling about the SBT.

What is baffling, is that if the SBT is wrong, what happened to the bullet that supposedly entered JFK's throat. ?

I'd say it's baffling how the drooling kooks can go on insisting there was a frontal entry neck wound, when they can't explain what happened to the bullet. Actually, that's not really baffling it all. That's what drooling kooks do. Amusing, yes. Baffling, no.

So Jimbo, now that that's been explained to you, feel free to explain what happened to the bullet that entered JFK's throat.

Challenge still stands, droolers.

First off, how old are you? What's comical is that you seem to think that if the droolers can't explain where the MB went then you win and that somehow proves the SBT. Like all the LNers, you wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it bit you on the arse. You're in desperate need of some critical thinking skills.

What else is comical is that you assume the conspirators are telling the truth re where all the bullets went and what was found in the limo. The same limo that the SS and FBI scrubbed of evidence then restored for re-service. Then you resort to ridiculing everyone that doesn't believe the WC narrative like the shill and/or sucker that you are.

So tell us droolers why the MB couldn't have entered the throat and exited the back? And before you can ask where the MB went, pls explain how CE-399 showed up the way it did, clean and pristine and on the wrong gurney. How was that possible? Then show us how the MB trajectory was possible from the 6th floor of the TSBD. And don't cite some fictitious study that doesn't even address the issue.

Face it, unless you have tricks up your sleeve (besides infantile insults) you need to answer my questions before I will answer yours. And keep in mind that you can't cite the bible to prove that it's true, just like you can't use the autopsy photos,  x-rays and testimony from the conspirators to prove the SBT is true.

And lastly, us droolers only need 1 contradiction to the LNer narrative to believe there was a conspiracy, while you need to dismiss every single piece of evidence that suggests Saint Oz was not a lone nut. You do realize that both can be true, right? Instead you take the fringe position that most of the world rejects and call us kooks. Go figure.

[Tim Nickerson]

CE-399 showed up the way it did, clean and pristine and on the wrong gurney.

None of that is true.

[Jack Trojan]

None of that is true.

Uh huh, sure as hell is. There was no blood, tissue or bone on CE-399, which is impossible. It smashed thru bones and dropped out of Connally only slightly deformed, unlike the FMJ bullet that disintegrated in JFK's head. And it showed up on a gurney outside the OR, which was not the gurney that Connally was brought in on.

Which one is not true?

[Jack Trojan]

The problem is that camera shake and panning errors occur for a variety of reasons.  Zapruder was not panning at a constant rate. He stops panning in several places (from z165 to about z186 and z214 to z222 there no panning at all).  He resumes panning at z223 but then stops panning from z227 to z232 (keep your eye on the position of the tree in the background).  So there is bound to be some jerkiness to the image because he is starting and stopping all the time.  Is that because of a shot? I don't think it has been shown that people reflexively start and stop panning when they hear a shot - or just before they hear a shot as in the case of the panning that starts at z223.

You are obviously not a data analyst. You're jumping thru hoops trying to figure out how the body responds to gunshots when the data gives you all that info. Look at the "signature" reflexive response at z313. That is your control.

And you cannot say that people will consistently jiggle the camera when they hear a loud noise without data from actual experiments using a large sample of people that bears this out.  That is the difference between science and a plausible theory.

No, I have done my research into this. A reflexive response to a loud noise is an up and down motion (y axis). I filtered out the X and focused on the Y because this jiggle motion is significant versus "panning", which is not associated with a gunshot jiggle. All the other jiggle analyses seemed to ignore this aspect.

Let's assume that you are right, that Zapruder would have jiggled the camera in response to hearing  a shot.  According to [snip] this Wikipedia page, a reflexive startle response should begin within 60-121 ms. for the head, neck and shoulders to move, or within about 1-2 frames of the loud sound. Let's suppose that the jiggle at z200 was in response to the first shot (Willis, Betzner, motorcade and Elm St. witnesses, etc).  If that was a startle reflex within 60-121 ms of the sound, it would put the shot sound reaching Zapruder at z198 from a bullet that struck 3 frames earlier at z195 and fired at z193-194.  This also fits with Jack Ready's release of his right-hand from the handhold and the beginning of his rearward turn which occurs between z198 and z199. Because Ready was behind the limo, he would have heard the muzzle blast about 2 frames before Zapruder (path difference = 275-150 ft = 125 ft; time diff. = 125/1130 = .110 s or 110 ms.).  All of that fits a shot at z193-194.  There is a lot of witness evidence that puts the first shot about that time. That is corroborated by other evidence such as the Secret Service film showing JFK at that point to be clear of the oak tree as viewed from the SN.   Why do jiggle analysis "experts" reject that jiggle as a response to a shot?

Ok, but you are flying in the dark here. Apply the hypothetical with the actual data and look for reflexive signature jiggles, not the psychological ones. The data should not be affected by bias thinking.

[Bill Chapman]

Uh huh, sure as hell is. There was no blood, tissue or bone on CE-399, which is impossible. It smashed thru bones and dropped out of Connally only slightly deformed, unlike the FMJ bullet that disintegrated in JFK's head. And it showed up on a gurney outside the OR, which was not the gurney that Connally was brought in on.

Which one is not true?

Tell us what FMJ ammo is designed to do, in terms of damage to itself and the victim.