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The Limo Bullet Fragments....
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Howard Gee on May 24, 2018, 03:41:22 AM ---The fragments in the limo that were fired from C2766 to the exclusion of all other rifles proves it.
So you better come up with a way they got there, counselor.
Basically you have 2 options. They were in the limo before the assassination or they were planted afterwards.
Choose one.
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Oh there are other options. One of which is that CE567 and CE569 were never in the limo. And given that there is nothing other than hearsay for how they got from the limo into Robert Frazier's hands, that can't be excluded.
But there is just as much evidence for any of these options as there is for the option that you prefer. That is to say none.
--- Quote ---Now who do you think might have fired C2766 ?
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I don't know. I actually base what I believe on evidence, not faith. How about you?
--- Quote ---SAINT OSWALD DEFENSE TEAM HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO
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Not nearly as much explaining as the prosecution team has to do.
Howard Gee:
So you're choosing the 'planted' option.
I knew you would.
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Howard Gee on May 24, 2018, 09:12:29 PM ---So you're choosing the 'planted' option.
I knew you would.
--- End quote ---
So you don't actually have any evidence that C2766 was fired that day.
I knew you didn't.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Ray Mitcham on May 24, 2018, 04:03:34 PM ---So you also accept what she said about the motorcade stopping dead still, Andrew?
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Her statement about smelling gunpowder is independent of her observation that the motorcade stopped. At least three others reported smelling gunpowder after the shooting. Sen. Yarborough, Tom Dillard, and Virgie Rachley.
Dillard was familiar with rifles and said this (6H165):
Mr. DILLARD. ...
I might add that I very definitely smelled gun powder when the car moved up at the corner.
Mr. BALL. You did?
Mr. DILLARD. I very definitely smelled it.
Mr. BALL. By that you mean when you moved up to the corner of Elm and Houston ?
Mr. DILLARD. Yes: now, there developed a very brisk north wind.
Mr. BALL. That was in front of the Texas School-Book Depository?
Mr. DILLARD. Yes, it?s rather close-the corner is rather close. I mentioned it, I believe, that it was rather surprising to me.
Virgie Rachley's FBI statement given Nov. 24/63 (CD5, p. 67) states:
"She recalled that after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke but did not know where it was coming from."
Yarborough was interviewed by the Houston Post and attributed this quote to him in a Nov 22/63 story:
"A few instants after the shots, Yarborough said, the President's car spurted ahead at a very high rate of speed, with a Secret Service agent lying on the back of it, and beating his fist on the back of the car, as if in great despair and anger. Yarborough said he could smell gunpowder in the area of the shooting. 'I could smell powder all the way into the hospital,' he said."Whether it was actually detectable as a smell all the way to Parkland is a little more difficult to accept. It may have been a brain memory that was seared into Yarborough's consciousness at that moment.
There is no reason to believe that gunpowder gases propelled at great speed from the muzzle sticking outside the window would have filled the inside of the 6th Floor of the TSBD. It would have spread out and down onto Dealey Plaza. So it does not surprise me at all that gunpowder smell was detectable around the TSBD.
Walt Cakebread:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on May 24, 2018, 11:18:14 PM ---Her statement about smelling gunpowder is independent of her observation that the motorcade stopped. At least three others reported smelling gunpowder after the shooting. Sen. Yarborough, Tom Dillard, and Virgie Rachley.
Dillard was familiar with rifles and said this (6H165):
Mr. DILLARD. ...
I might add that I very definitely smelled gun powder when the car moved up at the corner.
Mr. BALL. You did?
Mr. DILLARD. I very definitely smelled it.
Mr. BALL. By that you mean when you moved up to the corner of Elm and Houston ?
Mr. DILLARD. Yes: now, there developed a very brisk north wind.
Mr. BALL. That was in front of the Texas School-Book Depository?
Mr. DILLARD. Yes, it?s rather close-the corner is rather close. I mentioned it, I believe, that it was rather surprising to me.
Virgie Rachley's FBI statement given Nov. 24/63 (CD5, p. 67) states:
"She recalled that after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke but did not know where it was coming from."
Yarborough was interviewed by the Houston Post and attributed this quote to him in a Nov 22/63 story:
"A few instants after the shots, Yarborough said, the President's car spurted ahead at a very high rate of speed, with a Secret Service agent lying on the back of it, and beating his fist on the back of the car, as if in great despair and anger. Yarborough said he could smell gunpowder in the area of the shooting. 'I could smell powder all the way into the hospital,' he said."Whether it was actually detectable as a smell all the way to Parkland is a little more difficult to accept. It may have been a brain memory that was seared into Yarborough's consciousness at that moment.
There is no reason to believe that gunpowder gases propelled at great speed from the muzzle sticking outside the window would have filled the inside of the 6th Floor of the TSBD. It would have spread out and down onto Dealey Plaza. So it does not surprise me at all that gunpowder smell was detectable around the TSBD.
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Mr. DILLARD. Yes, it?s rather close-the corner is rather close. I mentioned it, I believe, that it was rather surprising to me.[/b]
IOW.....Dilliard didn't believe that he could have smelled gunpowder if the shots had been fired from sixty feet above on a windy day.... Mr Dillard was right ......The gunpowder smell didn't emanate from a gun on the sixth floor.
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