The Magic Bullet

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm not at all surprised that you would give honesty such short shrift.

One can only observe the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald made an unannounced, first-time-ever-surprise appearance at the Paine home. On the eve of the assassination. And that attached to that home was a garage. And that inside that garage was a blanket belonging to the Oswalds. And that inside that blanket were some Oswald belongings that afforded Dirty Harvey an opportunity to rifle through... for whatever reason.

On the eve of the assassination.

Hey, don't forget the ring he left behind...... 

Too bad you still don't know for sure and nor can you provide any kind of proof that Oswald was even in the garage that evening or night.

[John Iacoletti]

If he actually had curtain rods, why would he not take them home?

I have no idea.  I'm merely objecting to your assertion that Oswald didn't carry any package out of the TSBD when you don't actually know that to be true.

Oswald denied he had curtain rods. Why would he say that if he actually had curtain rods?

I don't know.  I don't even know that he ever said this.  But let's say that he actually told Frazier that he had curtain rods and actually told Fritz that he never told Frazier that.  How do you get from that to he had a C2766 rifle in a bag?

If Buell Frazier and Linnie Mae Randall did not collude to fabricate their evidence, then Oswald lied about the curtain rods.  So you are essentially saying that BF/LMR lied.

No not really.  It could be Fritz who was lying/mistaken/confused in his recollection several days later about what Oswald said during interrogation.  Besides, Linnie Mae wouldn't have had any independent knowledge that Oswald ever said anything to Frazier about curtain rods.

So I guess they were in on the conspiracy to assassinate JFK.

That's another giant leap.  Oswald may or may not have been carrying curtain rods.  He may or may not have lied to Frazier about what was in the package.  Where's the evidence of murder?

That does not explain Oswald's behaviour in leaving the TSBD

Lots of people left the TSBD.

getting his gun,

You don't know that either.

killing Officer Tippit,

Or that.

and pulling his gun in the Texas Theater

That's just plain false -- even by McDonald's account.

and saying "It's all over now".

Nobody but McDonald ever claimed to have heard him say that.

Oh, right, you don't believe that evidence so it is not evidence - just assumptions.

They are all assumptions.  And none of those assumptions get you to who killed JFK anyway.

By itself, it is not conclusive. But there is evidence that Oswald owned only one rifle and no evidence that he owned more than one rifle.

That's not true.  There's evidence that Oswald owned a rifle in the Soviet Union (Marina's affidavit as translated by Mamantov).  What evidence leads you to believe that he owned only one rifle in the US?  Just because Marina didn't see or mention more than one?  She didn't know a rifle from a shotgun.

So if she saw a rifle stock, that is evidence that tends to show that Oswald's rifle was there.

IF she saw a rifle stock.  She just assumed that it was a rifle stock that she saw.

  The paper trail linking C2766 to Oswald via his mail box

Where is the evidence that such a package was ever sent through the US mail and delivered to that PO box?  Where's the evidence that Lee Oswald picked up such a package from that PO box?

and his use of the A.J. Hidell ID card is evidence that Oswald's rifle was the C2766 rifle.

Where is the evidence that he ever used this ID card?

The back-yard photos are consistent with Oswald holding a gun that is identical to C2766 in every respect.

How did you determine that they are identical in every respect?

  Add to that the behaviour of Oswald subsequent to the assassination and you can conclude, quite reasonably, that Oswald was involved in the assassination. Oh, right, you don't believe that evidence so it is not evidence - just assumptions.

I believe that this evidence exists, I just don't think the conclusions you are making about the evidence is sound.  And for good reason.

What evidence is there that he owned or possessed another rifle? Marina said it was the same rifle that he used to shoot at Gen. Walker.

She did?  When?  How did she determine that?

Oh, right, you don't believe that evidence so it is not evidence - just assumptions.  You believe the evidence to be false. You believe the police and FBI were all in on an enormous conspiracy.  I don't. Let's leave it at that.

When did I ever say that the police and FBI were all in on an enormous conspiracy?

[John Iacoletti]

I'm not at all surprised that you would give honesty such short shrift.

One can only observe the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald made an unannounced, first-time-ever-surprise appearance at the Paine home. On the eve of the assassination. And that attached to that home was a garage. And that inside that garage was a blanket belonging to the Oswalds. And that inside that blanket were some Oswald belongings that afforded Dirty Harvey an opportunity to rifle through... for whatever reason.

On the eve of the assassination.

If that's really all you got, then case dismissed!

[Andrew Mason]

I have no idea.  I'm merely objecting to your assertion that Oswald didn't carry any package out of the TSBD when you don't actually know that to be true.

I don't have to "know" it to be true by itself.  I know it to be true because Oswald not carrying a package out of the TSBD fits with all the rest of the evidence and Oswald carrying a package out fits with none of the evidence (no one noticed him carrying anything and no package was found, no curtain rods were found but a package similar to the one he carried into the TSBD was found and the gun that is linked to Oswald was found in the TSBD).

I don't know.  I don't even know that he ever said this.  But let's say that he actually told Frazier that he had curtain rods and actually told Fritz that he never told Frazier that.  How do you get from that to he had a C2766 rifle in a bag?

By looking at the rest of the evidence and trying to fit that evidence to a scenario in which Oswald was not involved and concluding, as Marina and Robert Oswald did, that no such reasonable scenario can be found.

Lots of people left the TSBD.

No employee left the TSBD after the assassination except Oswald.

A friendly suggestion: Watch a few episodes of Forensic Files and tell us whether you agree with their conclusions.

[John Iacoletti]

I don't have to "know" it to be true by itself.  I know it to be true because Oswald not carrying a package out of the TSBD fits with all the rest of the evidence and Oswald carrying a package out fits with none of the evidence (no one noticed him carrying anything and no package was found, no curtain rods were found but a package similar to the one he carried into the TSBD was found and the gun that is linked to Oswald was found in the TSBD).

So, in other words, you're guessing that Oswald didn't carry a package out of the TSBD.

And really?  If something is not found then it never existed?  Is that your position?  Was Harold Norman's lunch bag ever found?  How about Oswald's black shirt?

A friendly suggestion: Watch a few episodes of Forensic Files and tell us whether you agree with their conclusions.

I've seen a lot of Forensic Files and they only give you one side of the story.  Not unlike the Warren Commission.

But this isn't a forensic case.  It would be interesting though to check the evidence that hasn't yet gone "missing" for DNA.

[Andrew Mason]

So, in other words, you're guessing that Oswald didn't carry a package out of the TSBD.

And really?  If something is not found then it never existed?  Is that your position?  Was Harold Norman's lunch bag ever found?  How about Oswald's black shirt?

I've seen a lot of Forensic Files and they only give you one side of the story.  Not unlike the Warren Commission.

But this isn't a forensic case.  It would be interesting though to check the evidence that hasn't yet gone "missing" for DNA.

Let me ask you: would you agree that there were grounds to arrest Oswald?

[Zeon Wasinsky]

my problems with CE 399:

1. No experiment so far which shoots MC 6.5 ball FMJ bullet thru 2 bodies, then exits spinning and enters a wrist backwards, goes thru, and looks like CE 399 when recovered.

2. No experiment involving shooting an MC 6.5 ball FMJ bullet through 2 bodies has demonstrated the straight line trajectory of the SBT proposed by Myers computer animation.

2b. Nor has any shooting experiment demonstated the bullet trajectory zig zagging as an alternative explanation for all the wounds.

3. The finding of CE 399, and the subsequent chain of custody is in doubt, given the revelation that FBI agent Odum denied  having made report that O.P.Wright had positively identified CE 399 as the bullet he found on stretcher. O.P Wright thought the bullet appeared to be more pointed, as opposed to ball shaped. 

4. No blood splatter on Governor Connallys white hat, which was in proximity to bullet exit point in his chest and close to his wrist, since he still had it gripped in hand after the fact.

5. The convoluted position necessary to explain how Gov Connally could be holding hat upside down and no part of hat be in the bullet trajectory path is problematic and the Z film position at Z 223 does not appear to support a right arm crossed over far enough to be holding hat upside down on the outer left side of JCs left thigh as in this diagram: