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Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #238 on: May 30, 2018, 04:24:29 PM »
And your point is?  What does this have to do with FBI Agent Miller firing 3 shots with the Oswald's bolt-action MC in those times (which is what Simmons was referring to)?I am not sure what you are reading (1 H 65):

Mr. RANKIN. You have told us about llis practicing with the rifle, the telescopic lens, on the back porch at New Orleans, and also his using the bolt action that you heard from time to time. Will you describe that a little more fully to us, as best you remember?
Mrs. OSWALD. I cannot describe that in greater detail. I can only say that Lee would sit there with the rifle and open and close the bolt and clean it. No, he didn?t clean it at that time.
Yes-twice he did clean it.
Mr. RANKIN. And did he seem to be practicing with the telescopic lens, too, and sighting the gun on different objects?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don?t know. The rifle was always with this. I don?t know exactly how he practiced, because I was in the house, I was busy. I just knew that he sits there with his rifle. I was not interested in it.
Mr. RANKIN. Was this during the light of the day or during the darkness?
Mrs. OSWALD. During darkness.
Mr. RANKIN. Was it so dark that neighbors could not see him on the porch there with the gun?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

"And your point is?" 

Simmons was one of the WC's chief witnesses on the Carcano. You quoted him to back up a point and you

don't even know who he worked for??

LOL

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Mrs. OSWALD. I don?t know. The rifle was always with this. I don?t know exactly how he practiced, because I was in the house, I was busy. I just knew that he sits there with his rifle. I was not interested in it.

Offline Matt Grantham

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« Reply #239 on: May 30, 2018, 05:31:43 PM »
A number of witnesses heard more than three shots. Furthermore, a good number heard two shots very close together. This would be impossible if a bolt-action rifle was used as claimed.

Ditto SS agent Kellerman's comment about a "flurry of shots."

.  It is called circular logic.


 Or the logical fallacy of begging the question for us philosophy nerds

Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #240 on: May 30, 2018, 06:14:31 PM »
  None  of  the  FBI  marksmen  had  practised  with  the Mannlicher-Carcano  rifle.
No wonder there. It was a falling apart piece of crap from 1940!
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  There was evidence that Oswald practised using the bolt action.(Testimony  of Marina Oswald:  1 H 53 and 65).

Oh hell....Marina would have testified that she practiced working the bolt if she was told to.
 

Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #241 on: May 30, 2018, 06:37:22 PM »

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #242 on: May 30, 2018, 07:10:34 PM »
?? There were three shots heard. There were 3 shells on the floor. According to Harold Norman, the bolt action was heard three times. Witnesses close to the effects of the shots (eg. the Connallys, Greer, Secret Service) testified as to the effects of each of the three shots. There is nothing in the autopsy findings that precludes those wounds having been made by three bullets.  That may not convince you that the wounds were caused by three shots, but it is a sufficient evidentiary basis for reaching such a conclusion.
And your evidence is??  The FBI fired three aimed shots well within 6.4 seconds, which is, according to the evidence, about the time span of the three shots. There is abundant evidence that the second shot was after the midpoint. According to the FBI it was possible to fire 3 accurate aimed shots with Oswald's MC in 4.6 seconds, so it woud have been possible for Oswald to have fired the second shot 2.3 seconds before the final shot.
I have just given you the evidence. Are you saying that is not actual evidence? Why?

I don't think Norman said he heard the bolt action 3 times.... he described the shots as 'boom>click-click, boom>click-click, boom>click-click'. Seems Dirty Harvey chambered the first bullet before he arrived at the window.

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #243 on: May 30, 2018, 09:44:59 PM »
I don't think Norman said he heard the bolt action 3 times.... he described the shots as 'boom>click-click, boom>click-click, boom>click-click'. Seems Dirty Harvey chambered the first bullet before he arrived at the window.

How many "click-clicks" is that, Bill?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #244 on: May 30, 2018, 11:58:52 PM »

Which makes it all the more strange that he completely missed the 1st shot.
All that was conjecture anyway


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Oswald had to moved into position only AFTER the JFK limo begins down Elm st
   
Would have made sense if he was left handed. 
 
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that Oswald accidentally shot off his 1st shot, because he had his finger ready on the trigger AS he moved and he may have in his haste and anxiety, sqeezed the trigger. 
Not very expert marksman like :)
The shooters were pros for sure.