The Magic Bullet

[Andrew Mason]

It's quite obvious that per Humes, the shot in JFK's back ended at the little finger knuckle and it was angled down at a 45 to 60 degree angle.

If that was obvious to anyone, it would have to be Humes. It wasn't. Humes concluded that the bullet went through. Have you read his report?  Where do you get 45 to 60 degrees? Did you just make that up?

[Jack Trojan]

First of all, JFK was not sitting on a chair as you have shown.  He was.on a seat that was sloped backward and was lower to tbe floor. It was about 6" higher than JBC's jump seat which was mounted on the floor.  That put his adams apple about 4 to 6 inches higher than JBC's adams apple. The downward trajectory of 17 degrees causes a drop of 7.5 inches from JFK to JBC's seatback.  That puts it just above the height of JBC's armpit level when it passes the plane of JBC's seat back, which is 24" from JFK's throat exit wound.. See this 3D model.

Andrew, I don't expect you to sit up straight in a chair. I expect you to sit in any damn arrangement that makes the magic bullet work. Don't tell me how it was possible, show me with a re-enactment, and not with CGI.

[Andrew Mason]

Andrew, I don't expect you to sit up straight in a chair. I expect you to sit in any damn arrangement that makes the magic bullet work. Don't tell me how it was possible, show me with a re-enactment, and not with CGI.

How does one shine a laser through someone's neck?

I agree that the SBT trajectory never works.  But it doesn't work because of the fact that JBC's right armpit is not left of JFK's midline.

[Mike Orr]

       In regard to Andrew Mason Reply # 258 Re:  The Magic Bullet

       NO Andrew , I did not just make that up , pertaining to me saying that the back shot was a downward 45 to 60 degree angle as heard by Francis X. O'Neill who heard Humes say that the bullets entered from a 45-60 degree angle. This statement is on Page 4 , Lines 18 & 19 .

         www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md47.pdf   

        This information is from the Affidavit of Francis X. O'Neill who was interviewed by T. Mark Flanagan,
   James Kelly and Donald Purdy of the Staff of the House Select Committee on Assassinations on January 10th , 1978.

[Jack Trojan]

How does one shine a laser through someone's neck?

I agree that the SBT trajectory never works.  But it doesn't work because of the fact that JBC's right armpit is not left of JFK's midline.

With 2 lasers you can simulate the bullet's straight line trajectory thru JFK's back/neck. Point the 2 lasers at one another as depicted in my graphic to form 1 beam. Now get in between them so that the bottom laser strikes your throat below the Adam's apple at approx. C6. Does the top laser strike your back at T1? If not, reposition your body so that it does. Then take a couple of pics showing your body position and post them to support your claims.

You can do the same for Connally's back wound. Then superimpose your surrogates onto the same photo to show how their bodies must have been orientated to make the MB work. I couldn't do it without bending over so much that the bottom laser struck my chin.

Good luck!

[Andrew Mason]

       In regard to Andrew Mason Reply # 258 Re:  The Magic Bullet

       NO Andrew , I did not just make that up , pertaining to me saying that the back shot was a downward 45 to 60 degree angle as heard by Francis X. O'Neill who heard Humes say that the bullets entered from a 45-60 degree angle. This statement is on Page 4 , Lines 18 & 19 .

         www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md47.pdf   

        This information is from the Affidavit of Francis X. O'Neill who was interviewed by T. Mark Flanagan,
   James Kelly and Donald Purdy of the Staff of the House Select Committee on Assassinations on January 10th , 1978.

Just so I am not misunderstanding, you are relying on a statement from a non-medicaly trained person who was observing and who was not privy to all the information that was provided to Humes, the doctor conducting the autopsy, and who, as far as we know, never read Humes' report? And you are using that to contradict Humes' findings?

[Andrew Mason]

With 2 lasers you can simulate the bullet's straight line trajectory thru JFK's back/neck. Point the 2 lasers at one another as depicted in my graphic to form 1 beam. Now get in between them so that the bottom laser strikes your throat below the Adam's apple at approx. C6. Does the top laser strike your back at T1? If not, reposition your body so that it does. Then take a couple of pics showing your body position and post them to support your claims.

I am not sure how that is any more accurate than a putting perfectly straight line through a 3d model at an angle that can be measured to within 1/100th of a degree. But since you have already tried it, you should be able to show us your photos.  Where are they? How can they possibly be materially different than this photo?

You can do the same for Connally's back wound. Then superimpose your surrogates onto the same photo to show how their bodies must have been orientated to make the MB work. I couldn't do it without bending over so much that the bottom laser struck my chin.

I agree with you that the path from the SN through JFK's neck exit wound does not strike JBC in the right armpit or anywhere on the right side.  But it is not because it goes too high. It goes too far to the left. You have to use the correct relative seat positions. You can get those from photos, such as Croft's. JFK's head was about 4" higher than JBC and about 30" behind. That put his neck exit wound about 24" from the plane of JBC's back.