Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Dan O'meara]

Great post, Dan.  If you don't mind, I'm gonna use that in a couple of the JFK assassination/J.D. Tippit Facebook groups that I participate in.

I don't mind at all Bill. It's still a work in progress so let's see where it leads.

[Bill Brown]

I don't mind at all Bill. It's still a work in progress so let's see where it leads.

I look forward to seeing the finished product.  Thanks man.

[Walt Cakebread]

I don't mind at all Bill. It's still a work in progress so let's see where it leads.

"Great post, Dan."    I'll second that opinion....And applaud your work, Dan.....

[John Iacoletti]

And who's to say the Hertz clock represents "real" time.

Exactly.

Besides, Curry’s announcements are on channel 2 and all of the time checks around the time of the Tippit shooting are on channel 1. Different dispatcher, different clock.

[Dan O'meara]

Exactly.

Out of my quite substantial post you pick one line:

"And who's to say the Hertz clock represents "real" time."

To which your response is - "Exactly"

"Exactly" what?
The picture I posted was taken seconds after the assassination and the Hertz clock reads 12:30pm.
The first call after the 12:30pm timestamp is also the first reference to the assassination taking place.
In his affidavit Dave Powers states the following:

I was very much concerned about our timing and at just about that point I looked at my watch and noted that it was almost exactly 12:30 p.m., Which was the time we were due at the Trade Mart. I commented to Ken O'Donnell that it was 12:30 and we would only be about five minutes late when we arrived at the Trade Mart. Shortly thereafter the first shot went off.


Bill Greer testifies as follows:

Mr. Specter: Do you recall whether he said anything else at that time?
Mr. Greer: After he had said to me, he said, "12:30," and that is all I remember him saying to me was 12:30, and he had communications with the cars but I don't remember what he had said to them.
Mr. Specter: Did he say just "12:30," or was it 12:30 used in a sentence?
Mr. Greer: He said "12:30." He looked at his watch, he said "12:30," and we were in the underpass at the time.

We have four independent sources confirming that the minute of the assassination was 12:30pm.
We have the DP "tape" time being confirmed by three independent sources of "real" time.
In terms of evidence this is more than enough for me to confidently assert that the minute [12:30:00 - 12:30:59] of the assassination was 12:30pm.
I also feel confident you will agree with this analysis.

Besides, Curry’s announcements are on channel 2 and all of the time checks around the time of the Tippit shooting are on channel 1. Different dispatcher, different clock.

Then it is important to establish that channel 1 and channel 2 are synchronised with each other.
After the 12:44pm timestamp [channel 2], Sawyer gives the first description of the suspect. Both dispatchers immediately broadcast this description givng the same details Sawyer provided but with slightly different wording.
Both dispatchers finish their descriptions with a timestamp - 12:45pm.



Once again, I am confident you will agree this is an unequivocal example of both channels being synched together.

[John Iacoletti]

"Exactly" what?

Who's to say the Hertz clock represents "real" time? We don’t know how or when it was calibrated.

We have four independent sources confirming that the minute of the assassination was 12:30pm.

You don’t know that they’re independent. For all you know, the channel two dispatcher set his clock to match the Hertz clock that morning and that Powers looked at the Hertz clock and misremembered it at looking at his watch. Greer is hearsay.

Besides, the 4 independent sources confirming that Tippit was shot several minutes before 1:15 don’t seem to impress the WC faithful, so why would this?

Then it is important to establish that channel 1 and channel 2 are synchronised with each other.
After the 12:44pm timestamp [channel 2], Sawyer gives the first description of the suspect. Both dispatchers immediately broadcast this description givng the same details Sawyer provided but with slightly different wording.
Both dispatchers finish their descriptions with a timestamp - 12:45pm.

Once again, I am confident you will agree this is an unequivocal example of both channels being synched together.

Not even a little bit. Just because they both announce a description doesn’t mean both did it immediately or at the same “real” time.

[John Iacoletti]

By the way, it has been claimed elsewhere that the “attention all squads” announcement was a single announcement given by a single dispatcher over both police channels. If that’s true, then the time check only reflects a single dispatcher’s clock. But then that doesn’t explain why the wordings aren’t identical in the transcripts.

[Dan O'meara]

Who's to say the Hertz clock represents "real" time? We don’t know how or when it was calibrated.

What is "real" time in this instance?
What is the source that all clocks and watches should be measured against.

The best I can offer is when four independent sources confirm the time of the assassination as 12:30pm we can safely assume this is indeed "real" time.

You don’t know that they’re independent. For all you know, the channel two dispatcher set his clock to match the Hertz clock that morning and that Powers looked at the Hertz clock and misremembered it at looking at his watch. Greer is hearsay.

I present a solid argument for synchronising the timestamp of the DP tapes with "real" time, backed up with multiple evidence and all you can do is offer up is these half-baked fantasies? It's beyond desperate.
Why not just say that I don't know if Powers, Greer and the dispatchers met up at the TSBD before everyone else was awake and all set their watches/clocks to the Hertz clock?
I can't prove that didn't happen.
Does this ridiculous fantasy cast doubt on whether these are independent sources?
Only in your mind.

The problem you have is that these four independent time "sources" corroborate each other. I am confident it's something that would be accepted as solid evidence by anyone with a grain of common sense.

Besides, the 4 independent sources confirming that Tippit was shot several minutes before 1:15 don’t seem to impress the WC faithful, so why would this?

This argument is so weak you should be embarrassed.

Not even a little bit. Just because they both announce a description doesn’t mean both did it immediately or at the same “real” time.

The point was about synchronising the two channels with each other.
Nothing to do with "real" time.
Both dispatchers finish their descriptions with the timestamp 12:45(pm) confirming, beyond doubt, that channels 1 and 2 are synchronised at this point.
Your misrepresentation of this point once again reflects a certain desperation on your part.
It is unequivocal that both channels are synchronised at this point.