Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Martin Weidmann]

If the shooting occurred before 1:10, then you have to explain why it would have taken Callaway ten minutes to get to Tippit's patrol car radio to report the incident at 1:19.  He tells us what he did upon hearing the shots and it does not take ten minutes.

I agree. It took him no more than 3 minutes. Callaway's radio call took place around 3 minutes after the shots at 1:13 at the latest. The radio transcript times are not real time, and thus unreliable for timing purposes, as explained to the HSCA by J.C. Bowles, the man in charge of the dispatchers. I can demonstrate the 3 minutes in other ways as well, but for now let's just say there is corroboration for the 3 minutes from DPD officer Croy, the first police officer to arrive on the scene. He was in his car at Zang and Colorado when he heard the Bowley radio call. At 30 mph it took him no more than 2 minutes (and probably less) to get to the scene and when he arrived two civilians (Bowley and Callaway) were helping loading Tippit into the ambulance. So, Callaway was there 3 minutes after the shots.

In addition, if Callaway's radio call took place at 1:19, how else are you going to explain the discrepancy with the Markham time line? If Markham left home at 1:06 or 1:07 (as I believe she did) and the FBI timed the one block walk from 9th to 10th street as taking 2,5 max, she would be at in position to see Tippit being killed at 1:09 or 1:10 at the latest. The Callaway radio call scenario (1:19) requires Markham to have taken at least 10 minutes to walk one block. It also requires that Markham could not have catched her bus at 1:15 (be it either the 1:12 or 1:22 bus).

The sequence of events I have already described in a timeline based on witness testimony, documents and local knowledge, fits together perfectly, without any need for Markham's clock to be wrong, Bowley's watch to be wrong, the clocks at Methodist Hospital being wrong and DPD officer Davenport being mistaken twice about the time Tippit was declared DOA at the hospital.
It all fits, except for the times on the radio transcripts. In one of my earlier posts I have already demonstrated that it is physically impossible for Benavides to mess around with the police radio for two minutes (as you said he did), because that simply doesn't compute with Bowley's and Callaway's account.

Btw, Callaway told FBI SA Carter in February 1964 that he heard the shots shortly after hearing the news of Kennedy being shot at "about 1:00 PM", just like he said in his Affidavit of 11/22/63. In his WC testimony he is more ambivalent, because of the way Ball asks the questions.

Mr. BALL. Now, Mr. Callaway, around 1:15 or so of that day, where were you? [talk about a leading question!]
Mr. CALLAWAY. I was standing on the front porch of our office.
Mr. BALL. That is at 401 East Jefferson?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No; 501.
Mr. BALL. I will show you a picture which we will mark as 538.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 538 for identification.)
Mr. BALL. Does this show a picture of the office?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir. That is it.
Mr. BALL. Now you went down there one day last week to have some pictures taken.
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you attempt to stand in the same place you were at the time?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where you were standing November 22d around 1 o'clock or so?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.

[Martin Weidmann]

"Went to his room.  Got a short coat to put on."  --  Earlene Roberts

Oswald left the rooming house in a jacket.  Roberts told the Warren Commission that he was zipping it up as he went out the front door.  He's seen without a jacket by Johnny Brewer on Jefferson outside the shoe store.  Forget Tenth and Patton.  Forget the jacket found underneath the car behind the Texaco station.  Why would Oswald ditch his jacket between the rooming house on Beckley and the shoe store on Jefferson?

Here we go again;

According to Marina, Oswald had only two jackets, being a gray jacket (CE 162) and a blue/gray jacket (CE 163), and no other jackets have ever been found. The blue/gray jacket (CE 163) was found at the TSBD, so that was the jacket Oswald was wearing on Friday morning. Wesley Buell Frazier testified that he saw Oswald wearing a gray jacket during the trip to Irving on Thursday evening. It is true that Frazier was shown both jackets during his testimony and he could not identify them. But, having said that, as we know for a fact that Oswald was wearing CE 163 on Friday morning, there is only one other jacket he could have been wearing to Irving on Thursday evening and that's CE 162.

Please explain how CE 162 could have made it's way from Irving to the rooming house between Thursday evening and Friday 1:00 PM?

[Martin Weidmann]

Because you don't know the case means I'm lying?  Do you really believe that article I linked to is the only place on the entire internet where information on the Nash's can be found?

It's not my problem that you don't know the facts of the Tippit murder.

Are you going to produce the proof that the Nash couple actually saw the Funeral Home time stamped slip, some time in this century? I seriously doubt it.

As for my two last posts, I predict it's either going to be crickets from Brown, or he'll just ignore it and ask another silly question.

[Bill Brown]

I agree. It took him no more than 3 minutes. Callaway's radio call took place around 3 minutes after the shots at 1:13 at the latest. The radio transcript times are not real time, and thus unreliable for timing purposes, as explained to the HSCA by J.C. Bowles, the man in charge of the dispatchers. I can demonstrate the 3 minutes in other ways as well, but for now let's just say there is corroboration for the 3 minutes from DPD officer Croy, the first police officer to arrive on the scene. He was in his car at Zang and Colorado when he heard the Bowley radio call. At 30 mph it took him no more than 2 minutes (and probably less) to get to the scene and when he arrived two civilians (Bowley and Callaway) were helping loading Tippit into the ambulance. So, Callaway was there 3 minutes after the shots.

In addition, if Callaway's radio call took place at 1:19, how else are you going to explain the discrepancy with the Markham time line? If Markham left home at 1:06 or 1:07 (as I believe she did) and the FBI timed the one block walk from 9th to 10th street as taking 2,5 max, she would be at in position to see Tippit being killed at 1:09 or 1:10 at the latest. The Callaway radio call scenario (1:19) requires Markham to have taken at least 10 minutes to walk one block. It also requires that Markham could not have catched her bus at 1:15 (be it either the 1:12 or 1:22 bus).

The sequence of events I have already described in a timeline based on witness testimony, documents and local knowledge, fits together perfectly, without any need for Markham's clock to be wrong, Bowley's watch to be wrong, the clocks at Methodist Hospital being wrong and DPD officer Davenport being mistaken twice about the time Tippit was declared DOA at the hospital.
It all fits, except for the times on the radio transcripts. In one of my earlier posts I have already demonstrated that it is physically impossible for Benavides to mess around with the police radio for two minutes (as you said he did), because that simply doesn't compute with Bowley's and Callaway's account.

Btw, Callaway told FBI SA Carter in February 1964 that he heard the shots shortly after hearing the news of Kennedy being shot at "about 1:00 PM", just like he said in his Affidavit of 11/22/63. In his WC testimony he is more ambivalent, because of the way Ball asks the questions.

Mr. BALL. Now, Mr. Callaway, around 1:15 or so of that day, where were you? [talk about a leading question!]
Mr. CALLAWAY. I was standing on the front porch of our office.
Mr. BALL. That is at 401 East Jefferson?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No; 501.
Mr. BALL. I will show you a picture which we will mark as 538.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 538 for identification.)
Mr. BALL. Does this show a picture of the office?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir. That is it.
Mr. BALL. Now you went down there one day last week to have some pictures taken.
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you attempt to stand in the same place you were at the time?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where you were standing November 22d around 1 o'clock or so?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.

I agree. It took him no more than 3 minutes. Callaway's radio call took place around 3 minutes after the shots at 1:13 at the latest. The radio transcript times are not real time...

There's really nothing for us to discuss then.  You're in denial about the accuracy of the time stamps on the police tapes, without any evidence to suggest the tapes were not accurate (at least within one minute either way).

In addition, if Callaway's radio call took place at 1:19, how else are you going to explain the discrepancy with the Markham time line? If Markham left home at 1:06 or 1:07...

Easy.  Markham didn't leave home when she estimated she did.  I'll take the accuracy pf the police tapes versus an estimate by a witness.

In one of my earlier posts I have already demonstrated that it is physically impossible for Benavides to mess around with the police radio for two minutes (as you said he did)...

I don't believe I said that.  I think I said a minute and a half to two minutes.


Look.  Bottom line.  You doubt the authentic time stamps of the police tapes.  I don't.  There's nothing to discuss, really.

[Bill Brown]

Here we go again;

According to Marina, Oswald had only two jackets, being a gray jacket (CE 162) and a blue/gray jacket (CE 163), and no other jackets have ever been found. The blue/gray jacket (CE 163) was found at the TSBD, so that was the jacket Oswald was wearing on Friday morning. Wesley Buell Frazier testified that he saw Oswald wearing a gray jacket during the trip to Irving on Thursday evening. It is true that Frazier was shown both jackets during his testimony and he could not identify them. But, having said that, as we know for a fact that Oswald was wearing CE 163 on Friday morning, there is only one other jacket he could have been wearing to Irving on Thursday evening and that's CE 162.

Please explain how CE 162 could have made it's way from Irving to the rooming house between Thursday evening and Friday 1:00 PM?

Please explain how CE 162 could have made it's way from Irving to the rooming house between Thursday evening and Friday 1:00 PM?

Here we go again.

You continue to go on and on about CE-162 even though I clearly said to forget about that jacket in evidence.

Forget Tenth and Patton.  Forget the jacket found underneath the car behind the Texaco station.  Why would Oswald ditch his jacket between the rooming house on Beckley and the shoe store on Jefferson?

[Dan O'meara]

Here we go again.

You continue to go on and on about CE-162 even though I clearly said to forget about that jacket in evidence.

Forget Tenth and Patton.  Forget the jacket found underneath the car behind the Texaco station.  Why would Oswald ditch his jacket between the rooming house on Beckley and the shoe store on Jefferson?

I would have thought the obvious interpretation of the evidence concerning the jacket is that Oswald wore the blue/gray jacket (CE-162) to work that day and that is the jacket he left behind. He went back to his rooming house and collected his light gray jacket.
What's the problem?

[Martin Weidmann]

I would have thought the obvious interpretation of the evidence concerning the jacket is that Oswald wore the blue/gray jacket (CE-162) to work that day and that is the jacket he left behind. He went back to his rooming house and collected his light gray jacket.
What's the problem?

The problem is that according to Frazier's testimony the light gray jacket (CE 162) was worn by Oswald during the trip on Thursday evening to Irving. The fact that he wore the blue/gray jacket (CE 163) to work on Friday morning, which means that the light gray jacket stayed behind at Irving.

So, how did the light gray jacket get from Irving to the rooming house?

Here we go again.

You continue to go on and on about CE-162 even though I clearly said to forget about that jacket in evidence.

Forget Tenth and Patton.  Forget the jacket found underneath the car behind the Texaco station.  Why would Oswald ditch his jacket between the rooming house on Beckley and the shoe store on Jefferson?

BS. You can not assume that Oswald ditched a jacket unless you demonstrate first which of the two jackets he owned it was.
The blue/gray jacket was found at the TSBD and the light gray jacket was, according to Frazier, worn by Oswald to Irving on Thursday evening. There is no way that light gray jacket could have gotten from Irving to the rooming house.

How can Oswald ditch a jacket if he did not have one to put on in the first place?

[Martin Weidmann]

There's really nothing for us to discuss then.  You're in denial about the accuracy of the time stamps on the police tapes, without any evidence to suggest the tapes were not accurate (at least within one minute either way).

Just telling me that I am in denial about the accuracy of the time stamps doesn't make it so. It's a meaningless comment from somebody who clearly foolishly thinks he knows better than others. There is a preponderance of evidence that shows that the time line provided by the police tapes can not be correct, including a statement to the HSCA from the man in charge of the DPD dispatchers;

There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." - J.C. Bowles

Easy.  Markham didn't leave home when she estimated she did.  I'll take the accuracy pf the police tapes versus an estimate by a witness.

You mean you prefer to believe police tapes because they fit in your narrative. Got it!

It's not only Markham's estimate, it's a chain of events that can be conclusively pieced together by using the testimony and statements of Markham, Benavides, Bowley, Callaway and Croy as well as documents. It all fits perfectly with one major exception; the time stamp calls on the police tapes.

I don't believe I said that.  I think I said a minute and a half to two minutes.

I went back and checked and you are right. I could have sworn you said two minutes, but it seems you said one minute.

If you listen to the actual police tapes (versus what you get on the McAdams site) you can hear Benavides attempt to key the mic several times without getting through (he didn't work it correctly).  These sounds can be heard for a complete minute at 1:15.

At some point during all of this, Bowley arrives, looks over Tippit's body and then eventually grabs the mic from Benavides.

Point being, Bowley didn't get on the mic right away because it was under the control of Benavides.

The shooting takes place at 1:14.  Benavides begins keying the mic around 1:15-1:16.  Bowley finally grabs the mic from Benavides at 1:17.

Not that it makes much difference. In fact it is beneficial to the time line I am working on.

The shooting takes place at 1:14.  Benavides begins keying the mic around 1:15-1:16.  Bowley finally grabs the mic from Benavides at 1:17.

Even this argument contradicts your own claims about Callaway. You've stated that it took Callaway less than 3 minutes after the shots to reach the scene. If the shooting took place at 1:14 you would have Callaway arriving at 1:17 which is when you claim Bowley made his (46 seconds long) call to the dispatcher. Callaway himself said that he wasn't sure if the dispatcher had been called, which can only mean that he did not see Bowley work the radio. In other words, if it took Callaway less than three minutes after the shots to get there (which I believe it did, because Croy's testimony confirms it), the following events must have already occured prior to 1:17;

The shooting at 1:14
Benavides waiting about 40 seconds to get out of his truck until the killer was out of sight on Patton (time estimate from one of your videos)
Benavides checking Tippit and trying to call the dispatcher (estimated at around 1:15)
Bowley arriving and parking a fair distance away so his daughter would not see, walking up to the scene and taking the radio from Benavides to make his 46 seconds call and leave the patrol car.(if Benavides keying the mic lasted one minute, than Bowley only had one minute to do it all, including making his call, before Callaway got there)


This alone shows beyond doubt that Benavides keying the mic could not have lasted a minute and it shows Bowley could not have made his radio call at 1:17, because Callaway would have been there by then, which in turn demonstrates that the time stamps on the radio recordings can not be correct!

Look.  Bottom line.  You doubt the authentic time stamps of the police tapes.  I don't.  There's nothing to discuss, really.

Of course there is something to discuss because only one of us can be right. To determine which one that is, you need to be willing to look at all the evidence, and it seems you simply don't want to do that. You stubbornly keep insisting that the times on the police tapes are correct no matter how much evidence is presented that they were not. You even ignore, or at least try to play down, the fact that the man in charge of the radio dispatchers, J.C. Bowles, told the HSCA that the time calls on the recordings are not real time

Didn't you have a litmus test to find out exactly how determined one is at finding the truth?