Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Bill Brown]

Ted Callaway is at the patrol car reporting the shooting at 1:19 and his description of his actions tells us that he's at that patrol car probably three minutes after the shots rang out.

Bill Brown will never agree to this, but a preponderance of evidence points conclusive to Tippit being killed before 1:10 PM

So it took over nine minutes for Callaway make his way over to the sidewalk on Patton after hearing the shots, watch the killer run down Patton to Jefferson, then make his (Callaway's) "good hard run" less than a block up to the corner of Tenth and Patton, make his way to the patrol car and grab the mic to report the shooting.

No way did that take him nine minutes.

Your mistaken "preponderance of evidence" has Tippit's body lying in the street for over six minutes before anyone reports it.

[Martin Weidmann]

So it took over nine minutes for Callaway make his way over to the sidewalk on Patton after hearing the shots, watch the killer run down Patton to Jefferson, then make his (Callaway's) "good hard run" less than a block up to the corner of Tenth and Patton, make his way to the patrol car and grab the mic to report the shooting.

No way did that take him nine minutes.

Your mistaken "preponderance of evidence" has Tippit's body lying in the street for over six minutes before anyone reports it.

No, no mistakes. It just didn't take Callaway nine minutes to get to the scene. It took him 3.

You're the one who is mistaken by clinging desperately to the times of the DPD radio transcripts, despite the fact that the man in charge of the DPD dispatchers told the HSCA that the time calls were made using clocks that were not accurate and did not represent real time.

Two quotes from the same page: http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles1.html#set

A master clock on the telephone room wall was connected to the City Hall system. This clock reported "official" time. Within the dispatcher's office there were numerous other time giving and time recording devices, both in the telephone room and in the radio room. Telephone operators and radio operators were furnished "Simplex" clocks. Because the hands often worked loose, they indicated the incorrect time. However, their purpose was to stamp the time, day and date on incoming calls. While they were reliable at this, they were not synchronized as stated in the Committee report. Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute to two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock. Accordingly, at "exactly" 10:10, various clocks could be stamping from 10:08 to 10:12, for example. When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments. During busy periods this was not readily done.

There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." The Committee Report stated that the Dallas Police Communications system was recorded by continuously operating recorders. That statement is incorrect. Channel 1 was recorded on a Dictaphone A2TC, Model 5, belt or loop recorder. Channel 2 was recorded on a Gray "Audograph" flat disk recorder. Both were duplex units with one recording and one on standby for when the other unit contained a full recording. Both units were sound activated.

Your mistaken "preponderance of evidence" has Tippit's body lying in the street for over six minutes before anyone reports it.


No it hasn't and you know it. In fact it has Tippit being collected by an ambulance within about 3 minutes after the shooting, with Callaway helping, and getting him to the Methodist Hospital where he was declared dead at 1:15 PM. But you know all this from our previous discussion of the subject and just like then you simply do not want to look at the evidence honestly.

[Bill Brown]

No it hasn't and you know it. In fact it has Tippit being collected by an ambulance within about 3 minutes after the shooting, with Callaway helping, and getting him to the Methodist Hospital where he was declared dead at 1:15 PM. But you know all this from our previous discussion of the subject and just like then you simply do not want to look at the evidence honestly.

I "know all this from our previous discussion"?  Laughable.  You have no idea where I know "all of this" from.

Anyway, you were wrong about all of that back then just as you are wrong about all of it right now.

Unless, of course, you wish to post it again along with a little extra this time to help make your case.

[Martin Weidmann]

I "know all this from our previous discussion"?  Laughable.  You have no idea where I know "all of this" from.

Anyway, you were wrong about all of that back then just as you are wrong about all of it right now.

Unless, of course, you wish to post it again along with a little extra this time to help make your case.

What BS is this? Why are you being so dishonest? Did you "forget" our conversation about where Callaway was standing when he encountered the man with the revolver running down Patton. That discussion was part of the time line I had prepared and you were desperately trying to extend the time Callaway needed to get to the scene, after the shots, by a few seconds. It's all on this board, so why are you pretending to be ignorant?

Even more so, when you tell me I was wrong back then. What would that "back then" be, other than the discussion I just mentioned.

And of course you are telling me that I am wrong, because you will never ever agree to anything that does not compute with your fairytale story of the events and you will ever ever honestly discuss or even listen to a coherent narrative build on corroborative witness statements, day 1 documents and factual information.

Unless, of course, you wish to post it again along with a little extra this time to help make your case.

Why would I waste my time by posting it again, when we can simple revive the old discussion already on this board. I'll even discuss it with you, by going through it point by point and letting you tell me just how wrong I am. That should be fun....

There's only one condition. You stick with the discussion to the end and do not bail out (just telling me I'm wrong) when you can't present a persuasive argument as you have done several times in the past.

[Bill Brown]

What BS is this? Why are you being so dishonest? Did you "forget" our conversation about where Callaway was standing when he encountered the man with the revolver running down Patton. That discussion was part of the time line I had prepared and you were desperately trying to extend the time Callaway needed to get to the scene, after the shots, by a few seconds. It's all on this board, so why are you pretending to be ignorant?

Even more so, when you tell me I was wrong back then. What would that "back then" be, other than the discussion I just mentioned.

And of course you are telling me that I am wrong, because you will never ever agree to anything that does not compute with your fairytale story of the events and you will ever ever honestly discuss or even listen to a coherent narrative build on corroborative witness statements, day 1 documents and factual information.

Unless, of course, you wish to post it again along with a little extra this time to help make your case.

Why would I waste my time by posting it again, when we can simple revive the old discussion already on this board. I'll even discuss it with you, by going through it point by point and letting you tell me just how wrong I am. That should be fun....

There's only one condition. You stick with the discussion to the end and do not bail out (just telling me I'm wrong) when you can't present a persuasive argument as you have done several times in the past.

What BS is this? Why are you being so dishonest? Did you "forget" our conversation about where Callaway was standing when he encountered the man with the revolver running down Patton.

I do not remember it.  But, what's your point already?

[Martin Weidmann]

I do not remember it.  But, what's your point already?

Stop playing pathetic games and I'll tell you.

The point is that Callaway did not get to the Tippit scene until 1:18 or 1:19 and you can't a shred of even credible evidence that he did.

[Bill Brown]

Stop playing pathetic games and I'll tell you.

The point is that Callaway did not get to the Tippit scene until 1:18 or 1:19 and you can't a shred of even credible evidence that he did.

You're losing it (again).

I created an entire thread regarding the Callaway timeline and I stated that Callaway got up to the scene right around that same time.  What are you going on about?

[Martin Weidmann]

You're losing it (again).

I created an entire thread regarding the Callaway timeline and I stated that Callaway got up to the scene right around that same time.  What are you going on about?

You created nothing. You just copied what Myers and the WC said and both were wrong.

You've got to look at the entire interlocking chain of statements by witnesses who corroborate eachother and are supported by documentation as well as first hand knowledge of the area around the scene.

Let me give you an example;

You yourself have stated that Callaway was at the scene of the shooting roughly 3 minutes after he heard the shots.
During those three minutes the following sequence of events must have taken place.

Benavides waited until the killer had turned on to Patton and was out of sight, before he left the car and tried to call the DPD dispatcher. The distance between the location of Tippit's car and the corner of Patton (where Scoggings saw the killer jump the bushes) is, according to one of your own video's no more than 30 seconds.

Benavides failed to get the radio working and at that time Bowley drove up and took the radio from him. You have claimed that you have listened to a recording of the DPD radio tapes at Dale Myers house and you heard two minutes of noise which you claimed was Benavides trying in vain to work the radio. This is not even remotely possible. You may have heard two minutes of noise, but unless you know exactly when Tippit was killed you have no way of knowing if the recording of that noise started after or before he was killed. It is also practically impossible that it took two minutes because that would have placed the end of the noise at 2 minutes and 30 seconds after the shots and you have Callaway getting there in 3 minutes after the shots.

This in turn would mean that, in those spare 30 seconds, Bowley would have had to arrive at the scene, get out of his car, which he parked a fair distance away to ensure that his daughter did not get to close to see, check on Tippit and make his call which btw (I timed it) by itself took roughly 40 seconds. An another impossibility.

When Callaway arrived he said that he wasn't sure if anybody had called the DPD dispatcher, which means that Bowley must have been away from the radio when Callaway arrived. Callaway testified that as he was working the radio "an ambulance was coming", which is another impossibility if the official narrative you promote is to be believed, because you have Callaway being on the radio at 1:18 which is exactly the moment that your narrative says the ambulance was called. In reality the ambulance was already there and Callaway and Bowley both helped to put Tippit in the ambulance.

The first officer who arrived at the scene was Croy. He testified that he was at Zang and Colorado when he heard Bowley's call on the radio and he instantly made his way to the scene. The distance is about a one mile drive which at a mere 30 mph would have gotten him there in two minutes at the most. When he arrived the ambulance was already there and so was Callaway because he helped loading Tippit in the ambulance..

Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Now, I am just referring to the street you found him on. When you got there, was Tippit's car there?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Tippit there?
Mr. CROY. They were loading him in the ambulance.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were other officers on the scene?
Mr. CROY. None that I saw.

So, how does all of this fit into the time line based on the DPD radio transcripts and your theories? The answer is: It doesn't.

How can Bowley make a 40 second long radio broadcast in less than 30 seconds?
How can an ambulance arrive when Callaway was calling the DPD operator when the official version has it being called a minute later than it's actual arrival?

It simply doesn't fit... it's as simple as that. And that's not the only things that do not compute with the offical narrative.

I'll continue this discussion with you as long as it remains civil. The first time you start patronizing the conversation is over.