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Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
Bill Chapman:
--- Quote from: Matt Grantham on May 12, 2018, 01:24:41 AM --- I have to admit, there are more witnesses identifying Oswald as Tippit's killer than I realized I know there are holes in a lot of the stories, but if there was Oswald 2 maybe that is the most rational answer. If the story of the two Oswald's is true then the intelligence agencies had made a might effort to create such a scenario and they would have wanted to use him for something significant
The problem for the LN is that the evidence is substantial Oswald is at the theater at the time of the shooting
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Can you cite this 'evidence'
Paul May:
I read the crap by conspiracy types, mindful it?s now 55 years after the event and what stands out is, their arguments HAVE NOT CHANGED in 55 years. That?s remarkable. They still choose (it?s still a choice) to live in a world where suspicion becomes fact, lack of facts becomes evidence of a conspiratorial cover up and actual proof to the contrary is dismissed as disinformation. It begs the question have these lunatics done even a cursory investigation of the facts? The answer to that is yes, they have examined the facts but in their distorted world view of how historical events happen, actual facts mean little to nothing. Their individual ideology means more than FACTS. Frightening concept, don?t you think? Nobody should be surprised they cannot prove their personal conspiracy let alone any conspiracy. The question should no longer be did LHO shoot JFK and Tippit. That?s proven to reasonable people. I?ve said it before, there may have been a conspiracy but it cannot be proven now or ever. That too is a fact.
Gary Craig:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on May 11, 2018, 09:18:19 PM ---Once the confusion was settled, Markham said this...
"Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman."
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She said she didn't recognize anyone in the line up. She had to be coached/led almost word for word.
That coaching would not have been allowed in a court of law. The kangaroo WC is another story.
"At this point counsel, a teacher of criminal law and procedure at the University of Southern California and a member of the U.S. Judicial Conference Advisory Committee on Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, asked a rather leading question. Mrs. Markham said that she recognized no one at the lineup; counsel tried five times for a more acceptable answer. Then, departing a little from the legal procedure he teaches, he next asked his friendly but disconcerting witness, "Was there a number two man in there?" Mrs. Markham replied, "Number two is the one I picked." Counsel began another question: "I thought you just told me that you hadn't, but Mrs. Markham interrupted to answer inexplicably, "I thought you wanted me to describe their clothing."
Gary Craig:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on May 11, 2018, 09:30:41 PM ---
No. It could easily be argued that each of the Davis girls and Scoggins got better looks at the killer than did Benavides.
Barbara Davis: Picked Oswald out of a lineup.
Virginia Davis: Picked Oswald out of a lineup.
William Scoggins: Picked Oswald out of a lineup.
Domingo Benavides: Decided that he did not get a good enough look at the killer to attend a lineup.
Duh.
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"Domingo Benavides: Decided that he did not get a good enough look at the killer to attend a lineup."
Some how I don't really think that's the reason he missed the Ozzie line ups.
LOL
Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.
Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........
Gary Craig:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on May 11, 2018, 08:31:59 PM ---You're not too bright, are you?
The two Davis shells were linked, through ballistics, to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of any other weapon. The chain of possession for these two shells is clear and perfectly intact.
Any issue (if there are any) with the chain of possession of the two Poe shells does not change the fact that the two Davis shells convict Oswald.
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http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/html/WC_Vol3_0242b.htm
Mr. Eisenberg: Now, you said that there were three bullets of Winchester-Western manufacture, those are 602,603, and 605 and one bullet of R.-P. manufacture.
Mr. Cunningham: That is correct.
Mr. Eisenberg: However, as to the cartridge cases, Exhibit 594, you told us there were two R.-P. cartridge cases and two Winchester-Western cartridge cases.
Mr. Cunningham: That is correct.
Mr. Eisenberg: So that the recovered cartridge cases, there is one more recovered R.-P. cartridge case than there was recovered bullet?
Mr. Cunningham: Yes
Mr. Eisenberg: And as to the bullets, there is one more recovered Winchester-Western bullet than there is Winchester-Western cartridges?
Mr. Cunningham: That is correct.
Mr. Eisenberg: How would you account for that?
Mr. Cunningham: The possibility exits that one bullet is missing. Also, they may not have found one of the cartridges.
Representative Boggs: Are you able to match the bullet with the cartridge case?
Mr. Cunningham: It is not possible.
Representative Boggs: So that while you can establish the fact that the cartridge case, the four that we have, were fired in that gun---
Mr. Cunningham: Yes Sir.
Representative Boggs: You cannot establish the fact that the bullets were fired in that gun?
Mr. Cunningham: That is correct.
Representative Boggs: And you cannot--having the cartridge case and the bullet--you cannot match them up?
Mr. Cunningham: No, you can't.
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Mr. EISENBERG. Now, were you able to determine whether those bullets have been fired in this weapon?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. No; I was not.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can you explain why?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes, sir.
First of all, Commission Exhibit No. 602 was too mutilated. There were not sufficient microscopic marks remaining on the surface of this bullet, due to the mutilation, to determine whether or not it had been fired from this weapon.
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