Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

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Offline Michael Davidson

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2331 on: May 20, 2021, 03:43:03 PM »
Was JD Tippit an innocent cop or was he as corrupt as the rest of the Dallas Police Force ? Just a thought ...

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #2332 on: May 20, 2021, 03:45:15 PM »
Except for the fact that Randle said that the jacket looked more like CE163. Except for the fact that Earlene said Oswald arrived @Beckley in shirt sleeves Friday afternoon.

Hey, I agree with this. The question is; Frazier said Oswald was wearing a light grey jacket (which can only be CE 162) to Irving on Thursday and returned to the TSBD on Friday morning wearing CE 163. So, how did the light grey jacket (CE 162) from Irving to the rooming house?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2333 on: May 20, 2021, 03:52:31 PM »
Was JD Tippit an innocent cop or was he as corrupt as the rest of the Dallas Police Force ? Just a thought ...

No evidence Tippit was corrupt. No evidence the rest of the DPD was corrupt either.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2334 on: May 20, 2021, 05:56:19 PM »
Given that CE163 was found in the TSBD and CE162 wasn't, it seems logical that the lighter jacket was the one Oswald put on @Beckley. Arriving in shirt sleeves nails it.

I just can't brush off Frazier's testimony. It's absolutely unequivocal. He is certain Oswald wore a light grey, long-sleeved zipper jacket that morning. There is no doubt about that.
Whaley describes him as wearing a jacket in his testimony as he does in this video [1:37]


In my mind Oswald is on the run at this point, he gets Whaley to drive past the rooming house so he can check the coast is clear and he double-times it back to the rooming house. The point of returning to the rooming house, as far as I can tell, is to pick up the revolver and get a change of clothes while he's there. He's in a big rush so I don't imagine it to be beyond the realms of possibility that he already had his jacket off as he entered the house. He rushes through the living room, gets the revolver (leaving the holster there), changes his shirt (making sure to take the transfer ticket with him), stuffs the revolver down his waistband and is putting his jacket back on as he rushes out of the house.

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I originally posted the Brewer thing to Weidmann, not you, by the way. And did not find it 'strange' that he didn't see a jacket. Go back and try to figure out why I posted that to Weidmann, not you.

My bad about the Brewer thing.
I see what you're saying now.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2335 on: May 20, 2021, 09:04:39 PM »
I just can't brush off Frazier's testimony. It's absolutely unequivocal. He is certain Oswald wore a light grey, long-sleeved zipper jacket that morning. There is no doubt about that.
Whaley describes him as wearing a jacket in his testimony as he does in this video [1:37]

In my mind Oswald is on the run at this point, he gets Whaley to drive past the rooming house so he can check the coast is clear and he double-times it back to the rooming house. The point of returning to the rooming house, as far as I can tell, is to pick up the revolver and get a change of clothes while he's there. He's in a big rush so I don't imagine it to be beyond the realms of possibility that he already had his jacket off as he entered the house. He rushes through the living room, gets the revolver (leaving the holster there), changes his shirt (making sure to take the transfer ticket with him), stuffs the revolver down his waistband and is putting his jacket back on as he rushes out of the house.

My bad about the Brewer thing.
I see what you're saying now.

'possibility that he already had his jacket off as he entered the house'
Earlene said nothing about Oswald carrying a jacket.

Offline Michael Davidson

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2336 on: May 20, 2021, 09:30:04 PM »
No evidence Tippit was corrupt. No evidence the rest of the DPD was corrupt either.

M'kay 😎

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2337 on: May 20, 2021, 10:46:09 PM »
I just can't brush off Frazier's testimony. It's absolutely unequivocal. He is certain Oswald wore a light grey, long-sleeved zipper jacket that morning. There is no doubt about that.
Whaley describes him as wearing a jacket in his testimony as he does in this video [1:37]


In my mind Oswald is on the run at this point, he gets Whaley to drive past the rooming house so he can check the coast is clear and he double-times it back to the rooming house. The point of returning to the rooming house, as far as I can tell, is to pick up the revolver and get a change of clothes while he's there. He's in a big rush so I don't imagine it to be beyond the realms of possibility that he already had his jacket off as he entered the house. He rushes through the living room, gets the revolver (leaving the holster there), changes his shirt (making sure to take the transfer ticket with him), stuffs the revolver down his waistband and is putting his jacket back on as he rushes out of the house.

My bad about the Brewer thing.
I see what you're saying now.

As I recall, Baker describes Oswald wearing a jacket in the TSBD lunch room and then only moments later Mrs. Reid describes Oswald in just a white t-shirt w/o any jacket or outer shirt.  I think you would drive yourself crazy drying to reconcile all the descriptions.  It is not something anyone had cause to note at the time and recall later.