Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[John Iacoletti]

So what prints did Tom Alyea see Lt Day lift?

I don’t believe he did. If Alyea actually said this at all he confused Day’s dusting the rifle as “lifting prints”.

I'm 100% certain that Alyea saw Day lift what he imagined to be a palm print on the wooden forgrip

I know you are.

...and the reason that i'm 100% certain is because the so called "palm print" lift clearly shows the bayonet slot that is cut into the foregrip of all model 91 / 38 Mannlicher carcanos...   And furthermore the 5/8 inch diameter barrel is too small to hold a man's palm print...

Yes, those are two more of your appeals to “common sense”.

[Walt Cakebread]

I don’t believe he did. If Alyea actually said this at all he confused Day’s dusting the rifle as “lifting prints”.

I know you are.

Yes, those are two more of your appeals to “common sense”.

Alyea said he filmed Lt Day as he lifted prints from the rifle.....

I don’t believe he did. If Alyea actually said this at all he confused Day’s dusting the rifle as “lifting prints”.

Really?.... Tom Alyea said that he saw Lt Day place the prints on index cards...So if Alyea didn't witness the event then explain how Alyea knew there was a lift on a 3 X 5 index card?

[John Iacoletti]

Really?.... Tom Alyea said that he saw Lt Day place the prints on index cards...So if Alyea didn't witness the event then explain how Alyea knew there was a lift on a 3 X 5 index card?

He didn't, because Day didn't do such a lift in the TSBD.  Or probably even that evening in the crime lab.

[Walt Cakebread]

He didn't, because Day didn't do such a lift in the TSBD.  Or probably even that evening in the crime lab.

Day is on record as saying that he lifted a smudge that he imagined to be a palm print. He spotted the smudge ( print) on the wooden foregrip of the rifle.   He had looked for a palm print in that area because that is the place a rifle is held when being fired.   Day realized that the wood would absorb the print so he decided to lift it with scotch tape.   

[Walt Cakebread]

He didn't, because Day didn't do such a lift in the TSBD.  Or probably even that evening in the crime lab.

Really?.... Tom Alyea said that he saw Lt Day place the prints on index cards...So if Alyea didn't witness the event then explain how Alyea knew there was a lift on a 3 X 5 index card?

He didn't, because Day didn't do such a lift in the TSBD.  Or probably even that evening in the crime lab.

On page 108 of First Day Evidence, the author (Savage)  quotes Lt Day....

"Lt Day told us that, after he photographed the trigger-housing prints and had been stopped by Captain Doughty he continued working on the rifle under the order of Captain Fritz. It was at that time that he noticed a print sticking out from the barrel. He said it was obvious that part of the print was under the wooden stock, so he took the stock off and finished dusting the barrel.  He said he could tell it was part of a palm print and so he proceeded with a lift."

Lt Day was lying through his teeth.....He could NOT have "noticed a print sticking out from the barrel."nor could he have  noticed that part of the print was under the wooden stock"

 Because the barrel of a carcano has a rectangular bayonet lug surrounding the barrel and there is no wooden stock that the print could stick out from....   Look at photos of a carcano.....the point at which the barrel emerges from the stock is surrounded by the steel Bayonet lug.   

The bayonet lug covers 2  3/4 inches of the bottom of the barrel.... If there had been a palm print on the bottom of that steel barrel that extended back to the wooden stock.....It could only have been left there by a giant whose palm was about 6 inches across....   

[John Iacoletti]

Really?.... Tom Alyea said that he saw Lt Day place the prints on index cards...So if Alyea didn't witness the event then explain how Alyea knew there was a lift on a 3 X 5 index card?

If Alyea was right, then where are the other cards, Walt?  You're cherry-picking.

On page 108 of First Day Evidence, the author (Savage)  quotes Lt Day....

"Lt Day told us that, after he photographed the trigger-housing prints and had been stopped by Captain Doughty he continued working on the rifle under the order of Captain Fritz. It was at that time that he noticed a print sticking out from the barrel. He said it was obvious that part of the print was under the wooden stock, so he took the stock off and finished dusting the barrel.  He said he could tell it was part of a palm print and so he proceeded with a lift."

Lt Day was lying through his teeth.....

That could very well be true, but how does that demonstrate that Day's alleged magic partial palmprint was lifted in the TSBD and sent to the FBI on 11/22?  Why would Day make up a story like that and then claim that he didn't give it to the FBI?  Why would Vince Drain agree that Day didn't give it to the FBI?  Why would Sebastian Latona agree that he didn't get the card until 11/29?  Your story isn't even internally consistent.  Saying that they are all liars isn't sufficient.  They would have to have a reason to lie about not getting the magic partial palmprint with the other evidence.

[Jack Trojan]

Walt, the conspirators knew that Oswald's prints were not on the rifle, which is why they man-handled all the evidence without gloves. They had decided that a single palm print would be enough to link Oswald to the crime, so someone had to pretend to lift a print from the place Oswald would have gripped the stock. This was all for show and plausible deniability. If Alyea wasn't there, Day wouldn't have bothered.

At any rate, the partial print Day alleged to have lifted from the rifle stock was not Oswald's. Unless Day was oblivious that several index cards were replaced a week later by a single card with Oswald's partial palm print, then he was a conspirator. The bottom line is a conspirator had to go thru the motions of testing for prints at the crime scene in front of a camera to sheep-dip Oswald and link him to the rifle. No different than the BYPs. Apparently, Day was their guy.

Do you believe that Oswald's 1 partial palm print on the single 3 x 5 index card was what Day submitted? Or was it a post-mortem swap-out?

"Paul Groody, the mortician who received Oswald's body after his autopsy, says that in the early morning of Monday, November 25th, "agents" visited his funeral home and asked to be alone with Oswald's body. After they left, he had to remove fingerprint ink from Oswald's fingers and hands."