Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Walt Cakebread]

Insults aren't evidence, Walt.  Why should anyone accept your fabricated story based on an undated evidence sheet when there is no evidence whatsoever that the FBI got the magic partial palmprint before 11/29?   

No, what's desperate is trying to fit your fabricated narrative into Kritzberg's hearsay that doesn't even match your narrative.

Duh.  Because he didn't put the tape on there until later that evening in the crime lab.

 Why should anyone accept your fabricated story based on an undated evidence sheet when there is no evidence whatsoever that the FBI got the magic partial palmprint before 11/29? 

It's not rocket science....and I'm not asking folks to accept my "story"....  I'm merely presenting the evidence for those who are intelligent enough to see the truth.

Gary Craig just posted a film clip that shows FBI agents Drain, and Brown, carrying evidence including the rifle and something wrapped in a brown paper bag.   The trigger guard / magazine area of the rifle has a what looks like a file folder loosely tied around the magazine/ trigger guard.   If Lt Day had covered the prints on the magazine with cellophane tape why would the FBI agents tie the cardboard around that area?

Because he didn't put the tape on there until later that evening in the crime lab.

Dear John.... Do the FBI agents possess the rifle in the photo??    Suely you know that Lt day kept the rifle in his possession until it was released to the FBI....  Now then....Since the FBI agents posses the rifle...WHEN was the photo taken??   Duh!!

[John Iacoletti]

It's not rocket science....and I'm not asking folks to accept my "story"....  I'm merely presenting the evidence for those who are intelligent enough to see the truth.

Your undated sheet of paper doesn't not make your story "the truth".

Dear John.... Do the FBI agents possess the rifle in the photo??    Suely you know that Lt day kept the rifle in his possession until it was released to the FBI....  Now then....Since the FBI agents posses the rifle...WHEN was the photo taken??   Duh!!

Probably when Day released it to the FBI "shortly before midnight".  Ok, I see what you're getting at.  Who knows why they put the folder there?  To keep their own mangy prints off the rest of the rifle? To hold the clip in?  If you're suggesting that Day's word is unreliable, then amen, brother.  But the rifle had cellophane tape on the trigger guard area when Latona got it.

[Walt Cakebread]

From another thread to me;

From this thread to John;

Walt,

John and I may differ in our approach towards you but we basically share your concerns about the validity and credibility of the evidence, and I am sure both of us would prefer to engage you in an open minded and honest discussion of that evidence, but when you start making LN-like comments like above, just because we don't instantly accept your version of events, it leaves very little room for discussion. And that's IMO too bad..... Why not leave the insults to the LNs (it's all they have!)?

I'm sorry Martin,  John Iacoletti constantly insults me....  Perhaps you haven't noticed.   

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm sorry Martin,  John Iacoletti constantly insults me....  Perhaps you haven't noticed.   

But I haven't, Walt. I said earlier that John and I have a different style, but it seems to me we both basically agree more with you than disagree.

So can we keep the discussion civil, please? Of course there will be difference of opinions, but do we really need to go down to the LN level?

Let's please try to tone it down a bit. I understand you feel passionate about all of this, but too much passion causes the loss of reason, so let's not go there. Just my two penny's worth...

[Martin Weidmann]

I don't have much patience for anyone who states speculation as fact, regardless of what conclusions they've arrived at.

The Carl Day magic partial palmprint is dodgy no matter how you slice it, but there is literally no reason to suspect that he gave it to the FBI on 11/22 and they all pretended like he didn't.  That wouldn't advance their case against Oswald in the slightest.

An undated partial list of evidence doesn't cut it, even if Walt's "common sense" were really sensical.

The Carl Day magic partial palmprint is dodgy no matter how you slice it, but there is literally no reason to suspect that he gave it to the FBI on 11/22 and they all pretended like he didn't.  That wouldn't advance their case against Oswald in the slightest.

I have to agree with you, John.

The funny thing about all this is that Walt, you and I are basically of the same opinion, being that Day concocted the palmprint story after the fact. All we seem to disagree about is how that story came into the world.

[Jerry Freeman]

Jack...I don't believe that paper bag in the photos is the bag that Montgomery carried from the TSBD....  I believe those FBI agents are carrying something  inside of the bag that they didn't want reporters to see .....

It's not and they are. I have never seen that clip before.

[Walt Cakebread]

Your undated sheet of paper doesn't not make your story "the truth".

Probably when Day released it to the FBI "shortly before midnight".  Ok, I see what you're getting at.  Who knows why they put the folder there?  To keep their own mangy prints off the rest of the rifle? To hold the clip in?  If you're suggesting that Day's word is unreliable, then amen, brother.  But the rifle had cellophane tape on the trigger guard area when Latona got it.

To hold the clip in?

LOL!.... Please explain how the folder in the photo would hold the clip in?   

the rifle had cellophane tape on the trigger guard area when Latona got it.

How many prints were allegedly found on the rifle?    Isn't it true that Day saw the prints on the magazine / trigger guard?  Those prints could only have been lifted once, don't you agree?  And you say those prints were not lifted but covered with scotch tape when Latona received the rifle.  So what prints did Tom Alyea see Lt Day lift?    I'm 100% certain that Alyea saw Day lift what he imagined to be a palm print on the wooden forgrip ...and the reason that i'm 100% certain is because the so called "palm print" lift clearly shows the bayonet slot that is cut into the foregrip of all model 91 / 38 Mannlicher carcanos...   And furthermore the 5/8 inch diameter barrel is too small to hold a man's palm print...