Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Jack Trojan]

FBI agents Vincent Drain and Charles T. Brown with bag and rifle

WTF did they put in the bag to make Brown/Drain carry it that way??? It's bad enough they weren't wearing gloves but using the bag to hide "other" evidence that we are never privy to is beyond incompetence. What other evidence besides the rifle and chicken bones could be in that bag, which incidentally looks too short to contain the MC stock unless carried the way Brown/Drain did. There is also no evidence that the bag was folded at the top and carried like a sack lunch. 

How was this not tampering with crucial crime scene evidence by those trained to know better?

[Walt Cakebread]

LOL.  Circular argument. If Alyea saw Day putting lifts on little white cards then where are the rest of them?  And what evidence is there that the magic partial palmprint was one of them?  Just because you want it to be?

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer ...are you John?   

Did Alyea say that he filmed Detective Day as Day lifted prints from the rifle and then place the lifts on little white cards?   Asking me where the other cards are is a silly, and desperate, tactic..... 

Do we have a 3 X 5 white index card with a piece of scotch tape containing a lift on it?   Does that index card say that the lift was taken "off underside of gun barrel near end of fore grip C2766"   Did Tom Alyea say that he watched and filmed Day as he lifted prints from the rifle?...    How many lifts would Day have made?.... He found prints on the left side of the magazine / trigger housing and where else??

I've long wondered about the prints on the magazine.....Alyea said that he saw Day perform "lifts" plural.....  and Day said that he saw the prints on the magazine, but he didn't lift them....he merely covered them with scotch tape to protect them from being damaged....

Gary Craig just posted a film clip that shows FBI agents Drain, and Brown, carrying evidence including the rifle and something wrapped in a brown paper bag.   The trigger guard / magazine area of the rifle has a what looks like a file folder loosely tied around the magazine/ trigger guard.   If Lt Day had covered the prints on the magazine with cellophane tape why would the FBI agents tie the cardboard around that area?

[Walt Cakebread]

WTF did they put in the bag to make Brown/Drain carry it that way??? It's bad enough they weren't wearing gloves but using the bag to hide "other" evidence that we are never privy to is beyond incompetence. What other evidence besides the rifle and chicken bones could be in that bag, which incidentally looks too short to contain the MC stock unless carried the way Brown/Drain did. There is also no evidence that the bag was folded at the top and carried like a sack lunch. 

How was this not tampering with crucial crime scene evidence by those trained to know better?

Jack...I don't believe that paper bag in the photos is the bag that Montgomery carried from the TSBD....  I believe those FBI agents are carrying something  inside of the bag that they didn't want reporters to see .....

[John Iacoletti]

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer ...are you John?

Insults aren't evidence, Walt.  Why should anyone accept your fabricated story based on an undated evidence sheet when there is no evidence whatsoever that the FBI got the magic partial palmprint before 11/29?   

Did Alyea say that he filmed Detective Day as Day lifted prints from the rifle and then place the lifts on little white cards?   Asking me where the other cards are is a silly, and desperate, tactic..... 

No, what's desperate is trying to fit your fabricated narrative into Kritzberg's hearsay that doesn't even match your narrative.

Gary Craig just posted a film clip that shows FBI agents Drain, and Brown, carrying evidence including the rifle and something wrapped in a brown paper bag.   The trigger guard / magazine area of the rifle has a what looks like a file folder loosely tied around the magazine/ trigger guard.   If Lt Day had covered the prints on the magazine with cellophane tape why would the FBI agents tie the cardboard around that area?

Duh.  Because he didn't put the tape on there until later that evening in the crime lab.

[Jack Trojan]

Jack...I don't believe that paper bag in the photos is the bag that Montgomery carried from the TSBD....  I believe those FBI agents are carrying something  inside of the bag that they didn't want reporters to see .....

Agreed.

[Martin Weidmann]

From another thread to me;

Perhaps you're like so many folks.... You simply can't believe that Hoover and LBJ were the prime conspirators.....

From this thread to John;

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer ...are you John?   

Walt,

John and I may differ in our approach towards you but we basically share your concerns about the validity and credibility of the evidence, and I am sure both of us would prefer to engage you in an open minded and honest discussion of that evidence, but when you start making LN-like comments like above, just because we don't instantly accept your version of events, it leaves very little room for discussion. And that's IMO too bad..... Why not leave the insults to the LNs (it's all they have!)?

[John Iacoletti]

John and I may differ in our approach towards you but we basically share your concerns about the validity and credibility of the evidence, and I am sure both of us would prefer to engage you in an open minded and honest discussion of that evidence, but when you start making LN-like comments like above, just because we don't instantly accept your version of events, it leaves very little room for discussion. And that's IMO too bad..... Why not leave the insults to the LNs (it's all they have!)?

 

I don't have much patience for anyone who states speculation as fact, regardless of what conclusions they've arrived at.

The Carl Day magic partial palmprint is dodgy no matter how you slice it, but there is literally no reason to suspect that he gave it to the FBI on 11/22 and they all pretended like he didn't.  That wouldn't advance their case against Oswald in the slightest.

An undated partial list of evidence doesn't cut it, even if Walt's "common sense" were really sensical.